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[iamzer0xx]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

iamzer0xx wrote...

ziloe wrote...

iamzer0xx wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Childish? Yes, oh yes, totally having an opinion on something and wanting to see it improved upon makes people childish. This is the exact response I would expect from a reviewer, who hasn't invested themselves in the characters or story.

Read and try to comprehend what I wrote. 

1. I didn't say having an opinion is wrong.
2. Improving the game is a great idea, even I want some more closure.
3. I have invested just as much time in the game as anyone else

Uh huh. And yet you referred to it as childish. 

You DO realize that people have raised almost 60,000 dollars for a charity that allows kids who can't afford games, to be able to play too, right? I wouldn't call that childish at all. In fact, I see that as a very constructive way of dealing with our passion for this series. If you're as invested in this series as the rest of us, you're missing the entire point of our fight. 

I am well aware of the charity. No where in my post was I addressing the charity. I am merely pointing out that a change to the ending is unrealstic and wont happen. They are not going to go back and delete the last 10 minutes of the game and throw in flowers and rainbows for you guys, and assuming they will is childish and pathetic. DLC that furthers expands on the ending is a great idea, DLC that changes the ending or alters it is a bad idea in my opinion.

That is an direct insult to A LOT OF PEOPLE. You should apologize.

The adition of the option to chose the ending most people has been fighting for is neither chisldish or pathetic.

This isn't meant to be insulting in anyway. If you're insulted I am sorry you're insulted, but  I still do believe this is an overly childish behavior. 

[Bantz]

Pacificarus wrote...

People, if you cant see how obvious current endings are as illusions, than i think bioware actually managed to indoctrinate its players, or maybe thats how they tried to show players what it feels like to be indoctrinated.

Youl wake up soon i think ).

I think most of us are holding out that you are right. It's hard though when we are hearing them either flat out say or infer that this was their intent all along and that they are really proud of their work. Gives the impression that they think we should just flipping deal with it and shut up.

I'm stil holding out hope but I have not had the urge to load up ME3  at all the last 4 days which is pretty sad considering I've owned ME2 for a year and did about 5 playthroughs my first few weeks and still was doing at least 1 per month leading up to ME3. I think I'm moving on to the "numb" stage. where I really want a new ending but I've lost so much hope I'm just numb to it all.

oh and

[Ghost Warrior]

ziloe wrote...
And this is why your post is childish. You really think we want puppies and rainbows? Get real. We want closure! We want to know our choices mattered, and be shown we accomplished something. Not instead, getting the same endings no matter what!

Well maybe Reapers are too big threat for your decisions to mean something. Sometimes no matter how hard you try about something,things always end the same way. Realistic enough for me.
And what kind of closure do you want,a slideshow with all major characters and text what happened to them after the war? Those goodbyes in London should be enough of closure. I would have preferred different endings too,I was like "wtf" when the game ended,but this will do too. I won't rage quit because it didn't end the way I imagined it.

Instead of constantly whining about those 5 minutes,how about you try to be thankful for other 30 hours of the game?

[Eole]

Pacificarus wrote...

People, if you cant see how obvious current endings are as illusions, than i think bioware actually managed to indoctrinate its players, or maybe thats how they tried to show players what it feels like to be indoctrinated.

Youl wake up soon i think ).

Totally up there with you !

I keep hoping it will come to awareness soon !

[Doctor Uburian]

iamzer0xx wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

iamzer0xx wrote...

ziloe wrote...

iamzer0xx wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Childish? Yes, oh yes, totally having an opinion on something and wanting to see it improved upon makes people childish. This is the exact response I would expect from a reviewer, who hasn't invested themselves in the characters or story.

Read and try to comprehend what I wrote. 

1. I didn't say having an opinion is wrong.
2. Improving the game is a great idea, even I want some more closure.
3. I have invested just as much time in the game as anyone else

Uh huh. And yet you referred to it as childish. 

You DO realize that people have raised almost 60,000 dollars for a charity that allows kids who can't afford games, to be able to play too, right? I wouldn't call that childish at all. In fact, I see that as a very constructive way of dealing with our passion for this series. If you're as invested in this series as the rest of us, you're missing the entire point of our fight. 

I am well aware of the charity. No where in my post was I addressing the charity. I am merely pointing out that a change to the ending is unrealstic and wont happen. They are not going to go back and delete the last 10 minutes of the game and throw in flowers and rainbows for you guys, and assuming they will is childish and pathetic. DLC that furthers expands on the ending is a great idea, DLC that changes the ending or alters it is a bad idea in my opinion.

That is an direct insult to A LOT OF PEOPLE. You should apologize.

The adition of the option to chose the ending most people has been fighting for is neither chisldish or pathetic.

This isn't meant to be insulting in anyway. If you're insulted I am sorry you're insulted, but  I still do believe this is an overly childish behavior. 

So, a polite and civiliced protest from a costumer who hasen't recived the product he paid for is childish and phatetic? 

[Tazzmission]

_symphony wrote...

BioWare lied, I'm pretty sure we ought to complain and demand what was promised.

im possitive you made a lot of promises and couldnt deliver them all


its impossible to do so and the whole if they couldnt do it they shouldnt of said it argument shouldnt be used as an excuse


be happy they listen at all because how many developers do that even when the fans treat them like garbage?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 17 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[AJRimmsey]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

So, a polite and civiliced protest from a costumer who hasen't recived the product he paid for is childish and phatetic? 

its not the protest thats childish,although most of them are typed in a childish manner.

its the subject of the protest thats childish.

A VIDEO GAME ENDING ?

in fact it goes past childish,its bordering on care in the community issues.

[comanche warior]

Ok how would you explain the Childs Play movement is that us being whiny little brats too?

[Tazzmission]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

So, a polite and civiliced protest from a costumer who hasen't recived the product he paid for is childish and phatetic? 

its not the protest thats childish,although most of them are typed in a childish manner.

its the subject of the protest thats childish.

A VIDEO GAME ENDING ?

in fact it goes past childish,its bordering on care in the community issues.

i dont mean to sound ignorant but the people who over exagerate the endings make it sound like they have no lives at all

its like seriously 10 minutes bothered them that much to where its like i wouldnt be shocked if someone go's out and do something stupid because they didnt get what they wanted

[Doctor Uburian]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

So, a polite and civiliced protest from a costumer who hasen't recived the product he paid for is childish and phatetic? 

its not the protest thats childish,although most of them are typed in a childish manner.

its the subject of the protest thats childish.

A VIDEO GAME ENDING ?

in fact it goes past childish,its bordering on care in the community issues.

Worse excuses have been use to start real world wars.

We don't fight for the ilusion of a game, we fight for the ideals and hopes it brings to us. 

It's our time worthy.

Modifié par Doctor Uburian, 17 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[Tazzmission]

slyguy200 wrote...

In response to the first post.
I see your idea and well, A you are wrong simple, B you are not going to be getting any positive feedback cuz all you are doing is asking for the trols and haters to become active, C BOTH SIDES ARE WHINING AND NAGGING, you can deny but that no make me wrong

no i agree both sides are indeed arguing because hey i argue for what i stand for wich is i like what i like and i also argue that people need to respect the creators of this franchise because they do in fact listen even when people can be a bit nutty

[Grudge_NL]

The ending won't be changed. As long as people enjoy the ending, which a lot of people do ( they just get lost in raging spammers), Bioware won't change it. No, don't even try to deny the fact that enough people enjoyed the ending.

For me, I don't like the ending. Too many unanswered questions. Do I want it to changed ? No. Should it be expanded ? Yes.

Modifié par Grudge_NL, 17 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[Bantz]

Tazzmission wrote...

_symphony wrote...

BioWare lied, I'm pretty sure we ought to complain and demand what was promised.

im possitive you made a lot of promises and couldnt deliver them all


its impossible to do so and the whole if they couldnt do it they shouldnt of said it argument shouldnt be used as an excuse


be happy they listen at all because how many developers do that even when the fans treat them like garbage?

the point, you missed it.

It isn't that bioware COULDN't deliver on all the promises it's that they, apparently, decided NOT TO. We were promised endings that were heavily influenced by our choices, didn't happen. We were promised endings that would provide closure and answer our questions, we didn't.  We were promised we would get a "lost" type ending, we did . We were promised we wouldn't get a pick 1,2,3 type ending, we did.  

The fact that Bioware actually decided to do these things is where people are upset. It's not like Bioware said "throughout the game you will see male sheps beard grow thicker and thicker unless you play the "epic face shaving mini game" and then after release said "sorry we just couldn't get the mechanic to work properly so we removed it". That would be a promise they couldn't deliver on.  The other things were promises that could have easily been done if Bioware had put thought into the game instead of opting for "lots of speculation for everyone! :wizard:"

[AJRimmsey]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

So, a polite and civiliced protest from a costumer who hasen't recived the product he paid for is childish and phatetic? 

its not the protest thats childish,although most of them are typed in a childish manner.

its the subject of the protest thats childish.

A VIDEO GAME ENDING ?

in fact it goes past childish,its bordering on care in the community issues.

Worse excuses have been use to start real world wars.

We don't fight for the ilusion of a game, we fight for the ideals and hopes it brings to us. 

It's worth our time.

did you just use assassinating the arch duke ferdinand and the invasion of poland in comparison to a video game ending ????

i want to speak to your parents...NOW !

[Tazzmission]

Bantz wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

_symphony wrote...

BioWare lied, I'm pretty sure we ought to complain and demand what was promised.

im possitive you made a lot of promises and couldnt deliver them all


its impossible to do so and the whole if they couldnt do it they shouldnt of said it argument shouldnt be used as an excuse


be happy they listen at all because how many developers do that even when the fans treat them like garbage?

the point, you missed it.

It isn't that bioware COULDN't deliver on all the promises it's that they, apparently, decided NOT TO. We were promised endings that were heavily influenced by our choices, didn't happen. We were promised endings that would provide closure and answer our questions, we didn't.  We were promised we would get a "lost" type ending, we did . We were promised we wouldn't get a pick 1,2,3 type ending, we did.  

The fact that Bioware actually decided to do these things is where people are upset. It's not like Bioware said "throughout the game you will see male sheps beard grow thicker and thicker unless you play the "epic face shaving mini game" and then after release said "sorry we just couldn't get the mechanic to work properly so we removed it". That would be a promise they couldn't deliver on.  The other things were promises that could have easily been done if Bioware had put thought into the game instead of opting for "lots of speculation for everyone! :wizard:"

can you provide eveidence that they didnt want to? if you cant then seriously your really grasping at straws because its impossible to understand how people think let alone make a decision on whats in and whats not in

[Pacificarus]

Bantz wrote...

Pacificarus wrote...

People, if you cant see how obvious current endings are as illusions, than i think bioware actually managed to indoctrinate its players, or maybe thats how they tried to show players what it feels like to be indoctrinated.

Youl wake up soon i think ).

I think most of us are holding out that you are right. It's hard though when we are hearing them either flat out say or infer that this was their intent all along and that they are really proud of their work. Gives the impression that they think we should just flipping deal with it and shut up.

I'm stil holding out hope but I have not had the urge to load up ME3  at all the last 4 days which is pretty sad considering I've owned ME2 for a year and did about 5 playthroughs my first few weeks and still was doing at least 1 per month leading up to ME3. I think I'm moving on to the "numb" stage. where I really want a new ending but I've lost so much hope I'm just numb to it all.

oh and

all of this was caused by corporate greed, since they wanted to cash in on releasing real ending as DLC, but they burned themselves on this.

I hope they will learn their lesson and start releasing full games in the future, but still, dont buy or preorder anything from them, just wait at least 6 months till you see the full picture.

Modifié par Pacificarus, 17 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[iamzer0xx]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

iamzer0xx wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

iamzer0xx wrote...

ziloe wrote...

iamzer0xx wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Childish? Yes, oh yes, totally having an opinion on something and wanting to see it improved upon makes people childish. This is the exact response I would expect from a reviewer, who hasn't invested themselves in the characters or story.

Read and try to comprehend what I wrote. 

1. I didn't say having an opinion is wrong.
2. Improving the game is a great idea, even I want some more closure.
3. I have invested just as much time in the game as anyone else

Uh huh. And yet you referred to it as childish. 

You DO realize that people have raised almost 60,000 dollars for a charity that allows kids who can't afford games, to be able to play too, right? I wouldn't call that childish at all. In fact, I see that as a very constructive way of dealing with our passion for this series. If you're as invested in this series as the rest of us, you're missing the entire point of our fight. 

I am well aware of the charity. No where in my post was I addressing the charity. I am merely pointing out that a change to the ending is unrealstic and wont happen. They are not going to go back and delete the last 10 minutes of the game and throw in flowers and rainbows for you guys, and assuming they will is childish and pathetic. DLC that furthers expands on the ending is a great idea, DLC that changes the ending or alters it is a bad idea in my opinion.

That is an direct insult to A LOT OF PEOPLE. You should apologize.

The adition of the option to chose the ending most people has been fighting for is neither chisldish or pathetic.

This isn't meant to be insulting in anyway. If you're insulted I am sorry you're insulted, but  I still do believe this is an overly childish behavior. 

So, a polite and civiliced protest from a costumer who hasen't recived the product he paid for is childish and phatetic? 

I am pretty sure most of us all got more than what we paid for, condemning the entire game on the last few minutes is childish (there I said the C word again).

It's obvious you're not paying much attention so I'll make it short just for more clarity. Any sort of DLC that can expand or bring more closure on the ending is a great idea. But if you're expecting DLC that changes or alters the ending, I think you and I both know better than that, even if you wont admit it here. If there is one thing I have learned, theres no such thing as civil or polite protest. Most of the protest I have seen and read about here on the forums has really disgusted me, and over what? A video game?

If you guys only showed this kind of energy and thought on more important issues in this world. Who knows.. maybe the world would be a better place.

[Doctor Uburian]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

So, a polite and civiliced protest from a costumer who hasen't recived the product he paid for is childish and phatetic? 

its not the protest thats childish,although most of them are typed in a childish manner.

its the subject of the protest thats childish.

A VIDEO GAME ENDING ?

in fact it goes past childish,its bordering on care in the community issues.

Worse excuses have been use to start real world wars.

We don't fight for the ilusion of a game, we fight for the ideals and hopes it brings to us. 

It's worth our time.

did you just use assassinating the arch duke ferdinand and the invasion of poland in comparison to a video game ending ????

i want to speak to your parents...NOW !

Wach your tone please.

I'm an adult, a philosopher and i have a great understanding of humanity history.

I'm just expressing my opinion.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

i dont like this ending ok ? , if Shepard choose the option to defeated the Reaper and all IA species the Commander not dies and not dies the squad and the crew of Normandy, but its the and of the Galaxy, because the Relay its destroyed, not its possible for the Fleet of Turian, Asari, Elcor,Anar,Krogan,Quarian, Geth to return on the respective HomeWorld, the Relay and the Citadel was created by the Reaper, the rest of this species not have the resorches to create a new Relay, and this is the and of the entire Mass Effect Universe.

[Tazzmission]

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

In response to the first post.
I see your idea and well, A you are wrong simple, B you are not going to be getting any positive feedback cuz all you are doing is asking for the trols and haters to become active, C BOTH SIDES ARE WHINING AND NAGGING, you can deny but that no make me wrong

no i agree both sides are indeed arguing because hey i argue for what i stand for wich is i like what i like and i also argue that people need to respect the creators of this franchise because they do in fact listen even when people can be a bit nutty

People that are mad have a reason to, the games makers no longer deserve respect, would you respect someone who betrayed you and took your money while promising things that never came. which makes a valid point to them

again can you yourself keep every promise you make?

a simple yes or no will be ok

[Bantz]

Tazzmission wrote...

Bantz wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

_symphony wrote...

BioWare lied, I'm pretty sure we ought to complain and demand what was promised.

im possitive you made a lot of promises and couldnt deliver them all


its impossible to do so and the whole if they couldnt do it they shouldnt of said it argument shouldnt be used as an excuse


be happy they listen at all because how many developers do that even when the fans treat them like garbage?

the point, you missed it.

It isn't that bioware COULDN't deliver on all the promises it's that they, apparently, decided NOT TO. We were promised endings that were heavily influenced by our choices, didn't happen. We were promised endings that would provide closure and answer our questions, we didn't.  We were promised we would get a "lost" type ending, we did . We were promised we wouldn't get a pick 1,2,3 type ending, we did.  

The fact that Bioware actually decided to do these things is where people are upset. It's not like Bioware said "throughout the game you will see male sheps beard grow thicker and thicker unless you play the "epic face shaving mini game" and then after release said "sorry we just couldn't get the mechanic to work properly so we removed it". That would be a promise they couldn't deliver on.  The other things were promises that could have easily been done if Bioware had put thought into the game instead of opting for "lots of speculation for everyone! :wizard:"

can you provide eveidence that they didnt want to? if you cant then seriously your really grasping at straws because its impossible to understand how people think let alone make a decision on whats in and whats not in

it's been posted before, the app that released the documents from the dev meeting where they decided the endings. They had a chance to close up the story but instead they said they wanted it to be "speculation for everyone". They originally had the option of us asking the magic spacechild questions, questions that possibly could have answered some questions people had, but they said that we didn't need to know that stuff. When you look at what was promised, and the fact that when they were writing up the endings and decided, in big letters "Lots of speculation" that goes directly against their promise of closure. When you get to the ending and have to chose red blue or green, that goes directly against the "you wont have a chose 1,2,3 type ending" promise. When you look at the endings it goes directly against the "it wont be a lost type ending" (also the whole we'll answer questions thing is violated here as well".

the fact is there have been dozens of people here that have come up with better endings. Many of those just about everyone, even those that said they didn't mind the endings, said they liked better. Those write ups came after the game was released, so at the longest it was 11 days ago. Bioware was working on the ending back in November, they had the time to get it right but decided to just throw crap on the wall and see what stuck. They've said they wanted the endings to be this way to "create debate". Well that goes against the whole "answer questions and give closure" thing doesn't it? So they WANTED it to be this way. That means they meant to do this.

[Farbautisonn]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Wach your tone please.

I'm an adult, a philosopher and i have a great understanding of humanity history.

I'm just expressing my opinion.

-Dont bother. Anyone who disagrees with him is an "entitled child".

Anyone who can dissect his inane ramblings is a "troll".