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[OriginalNameGuy]

I liked Steve and was glad you could be nice to the guy without it leading into a make out scene(looking at you, Dragon Age 2)

[Walrusninja]

But I never put myself on a pedestal Eterna? It's hard to read how people are trying to come across via text alone, but I had no intention of raising myself. Anyways, I'm out, this is detracting from the OP waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much and achieving nothing.

[Aran Linvail]

I like Steve , now that reporter on Normandy , thats a waste of space , why not replace her with my ME2 Li , or the Punch in the face reporter ? ( I dont know how to write her name)

[Bob5312]

Just as a point, here in Canada gay marriage isn't new or controversial, it just is, it's as normal as straight marriage. It honestly didn't occur to me that it was strange for Steve to have a husband until I came across the references to a "gay controversy" south of the border in the news later on.

[Evil_medved]

OriginalNameGuy wrote...

I liked Steve and was glad you could be nice to the guy without it leading into a make out scene(looking at you, Dragon Age 2)

Yeah still remember those dialogue choices there.

1) Lets have sex!
2) Lets kiss!
3) Shut up i hate you!

Me: O_o

[TheSteelArcher]

Him being gay didn't bother me, if he likes dudes that's his thing. I actually thought it was touching with his husband dying, and it was cool to have cut scenes inside of the Kodiak showing you actually touching down before missions rather than never seeing the inside of it. The Purgatory scene where you can make a move on him caught me off guard but didn't bother me. In general, I thought he was a good addition, even if Bioware was just trying to make something slightly controversial that would get people to talk about it. Plus, like other people have stated, homosexuality would most likely be a non-issue in human society by 2186.

Modifié par TheSteelArcher, 17 mars 2012 - 08:15 .

[Eterna]

Bob5312 wrote...

Just as a point, here in Canada gay marriage isn't new or controversial, it just is, it's as normal as straight marriage. It honestly didn't occur to me that it was strange for Steve to have a husband until I came across the references to a "gay controversy" south of the border in the news later on.

I'm from Canada too, it is quite shocking how far behind the states is.  

[MissOuJ]

Hanabii wrote...

Read the rest of my post MissOuJ. Maybe a little context wouldn't hurt.

As I said I am against denomination bashing. You are being very belligerent and defensive everyone is personally attacking you. Please don't Forum Bait and read the rest of the post in context before you post your reply. It's not very classy to do otherwise.

I read all of your post. Still doesn't change the fact that finding openly gay character "shocking" tells a lot more about you than about Cortez. Making a comment about his "well portrayed grieff" doesn't really change that.

I haven't seen any demonination bashing in this thead at all. Plus, I'm a practising Christian myself.

[robbyiscool]

Bobrzy wrote...


Oh cmon, his voice is gentle, he's very sensitive, caring and worrying about Shepard... i'm bisexual, and this guy was feminine to me.

Thats a progressive attitude.  

If you don't like cars, speak with a gruff voice or if you cry openly about deep and complex feelings you have (like mourning the loss of a spouse), you're less of a man.

At least Steve likes cars...

Modifié par robbyiscool, 17 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[TheSteelArcher]

Eterna5 wrote...

Bob5312 wrote...

Just as a point, here in Canada gay marriage isn't new or controversial, it just is, it's as normal as straight marriage. It honestly didn't occur to me that it was strange for Steve to have a husband until I came across the references to a "gay controversy" south of the border in the news later on.

I'm from Canada too, it is quite shocking how far behind the states is.  

I wouldn't call us behind, although I have to admit that I do believe eventually it's going to become accepted like in Canada and Europe. I believe it's a slight cultural difference, most of America is more conservative, especially in small midwestern towns like mine.

[Eterna]

TheSteelArcher wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bob5312 wrote...

Just as a point, here in Canada gay marriage isn't new or controversial, it just is, it's as normal as straight marriage. It honestly didn't occur to me that it was strange for Steve to have a husband until I came across the references to a "gay controversy" south of the border in the news later on.

I'm from Canada too, it is quite shocking how far behind the states is.  

I wouldn't call us behind, although I have to admit that I do believe eventually it's going to become accepted like in Canada and Europe. I believe it's a slight cultural difference, most of America is more conservative, especially in small midwestern towns like mine.

I don't mean behind in terms of technology or anything, but in terms of social equality. 

[fcslmloyb]

I quite liked Cortez.

Of the new characters introduced to the Normandy crew, it was Vega who seemed more tacked on to me than anyone else. Cortez gave us a look at the repercussions of the war, beyond the suffering of Earth, and provided a more mature approach to the loss of a loved one. The only thing that cheapened his story somewhat was his apparent readiness to jump into another relationship so quickly after dealing with his grief. It didnt strike me as being as believable as the rest of his character arc.

Vega on the other hand, was rather jarring. The first thing i thought was why the heck is my Shepard pally with this guy? I get grounded and now i'm best pals with this guy? Nothing about his character struck me as either original nor necessary. If anyone was a diversion of development time away from more worthy characters it was Vega. About the only reason i can see for his existance is so he can star in the inevitable spinoff - which is already occuring with the animated film thingy being released later this year. Everything else about him could have been assigned to another character, from dialogue to combat skills, and we'd be none the worse.

[MissOuJ]

Eterna5 wrote...

TheSteelArcher wrote...

I wouldn't call us behind, although I have to admit that I do believe eventually it's going to become accepted like in Canada and Europe. I believe it's a slight cultural difference, most of America is more conservative, especially in small midwestern towns like mine.

I don't mean behind in terms of technology or anything, but in terms of social equality. 

It's not all sunshine and roses there either - in Europe, at least, can't say anything about Canada. We at least have a long way to go still, unfortunatedly.

[TheSteelArcher]

Eterna5 wrote...

TheSteelArcher wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bob5312 wrote...

Just as a point, here in Canada gay marriage isn't new or controversial, it just is, it's as normal as straight marriage. It honestly didn't occur to me that it was strange for Steve to have a husband until I came across the references to a "gay controversy" south of the border in the news later on.

I'm from Canada too, it is quite shocking how far behind the states is.  

I wouldn't call us behind, although I have to admit that I do believe eventually it's going to become accepted like in Canada and Europe. I believe it's a slight cultural difference, most of America is more conservative, especially in small midwestern towns like mine.

I don't mean behind in terms of technology or anything, but in terms of social equality. 

I know what you mean, and I agree to a point. But I'm from a small town in Ohio and the churches are the rallying point of the community. I think it's becoming more accepted as the younger generation (my generation) become adults. Sometimes change is difficult to accept when the same families have lived in the same area for such a long time, it almost becomes inclusive, especially when someone outside of the normal social parameters is thrown into the mix.

It doesn't bother me personally, but it's not generally accepted where I'm from.

Modifié par TheSteelArcher, 17 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[Xenbus]

pritcher wrote...

He doesn't do much, doesn't go on missions other than as a pilot. His story is interesting in a sorry you lost your mate way. But, I don't get why he was there.

I have no problem with him being gay, its the character's life, he could be anything as far as I am concerned but you already had so many other characters. James is good, there is no forcing his characters' story into the script.

I felt from the moment I met Cortez that he was not needed to fill out mass effect 3 or 1 or 2.. Why could you call him of all people and not your mom to say goodbye.. ? Weird..

I felt that the writers wanted to add someone controversial to the mix to remove attention from the lack of other stories.

I'm almost positive he got in because they over compensated for not having same sex relationships in the first 2 games.

That was one of the first questions me and my friend commented on when we got about 5 hours in the game.

"Do you think they just over compensated for not having same sex relationships in the first 2 games?"

I supported same sex relation ships in the second and it probably should have happened there, but it just felt like over compensation in 3.

[Jamie9]

I really liked Cortez. I'm going to provide some context on the overall "issue" on homosexuality too. I am heterosexual, but I have some gay friends IRL. They know I'm not gay, but sometimes there is light flirting, you know just a comment on my 'figure' or something, however, it is all in jest, and we both know this.

Cortez was definitely not forced upon my character, and I enjoyed the conversations with him. Kaiden, however, surprised me. I was taken aback when he asked me if I wanted to be more than friends due to him never displaying that in ME1, and we had the 'bromance' thing going strong. But I wasn't offended, I just said we should be friends.

I didn't realize Traynor was lesbian until I found out on the wiki. I thought she was bisexual, although I never actually tried to pursue her.

So no, I don't feel like Cortez was wedged in, he had a very thorough story actually.

[Funkcase]

I actually thought he was a great addition, a interesting character. His back and forths with Vega were also great.

[Scitenik]

I really liked Cortez. He had an interesting backstory and it was fun to get to know him. I didn't personally want to pursue his romance, but I thought the friendship with him was handled very nicely. He seemed like a well rounded character, and hearing his constant banter with Vega was a lot of fun. I always like getting to know the non-squad members on the Normandy - just like I liked getting to know Kelly Chambers and Ken and Gabby.

Though like someone else said earlier in the thread, I did thing it was annoying that you also couldn't say goodbye to Traynor in the goodbye sequence on Earth. She might not have been as directly involved as Cortez was, but she was essential for finding out a lot of leads for missions and attempting to find the Cerberus base.

[TheSteelArcher]

Jamie9 wrote...

I really liked Cortez. I'm going to provide some context on the overall "issue" on homosexuality too. I am heterosexual, but I have some gay friends IRL. They know I'm not gay, but sometimes there is light flirting, you know just a comment on my 'figure' or something, however, it is all in jest, and we both know this.

Cortez was definitely not forced upon my character, and I enjoyed the conversations with him. Kaiden, however, surprised me. I was taken aback when he asked me if I wanted to be more than friends due to him never displaying that in ME1, and we had the 'bromance' thing going strong. But I wasn't offended, I just said we should be friends.

I didn't realize Traynor was lesbian until I found out on the wiki. I thought she was bisexual, although I never actually tried to pursue her.

So no, I don't feel like Cortez was wedged in, he had a very thorough story actually.

I had no idea they made Kaiden gay, I brought my one "perfect" Shep through all 3 and he died on Virmire. I thought Traynor was bisexual, too. Who all was S/S romanceable?

[luukee]

Xenbus wrote...

pritcher wrote...

He doesn't do much, doesn't go on missions other than as a pilot. His story is interesting in a sorry you lost your mate way. But, I don't get why he was there.

I have no problem with him being gay, its the character's life, he could be anything as far as I am concerned but you already had so many other characters. James is good, there is no forcing his characters' story into the script.

I felt from the moment I met Cortez that he was not needed to fill out mass effect 3 or 1 or 2.. Why could you call him of all people and not your mom to say goodbye.. ? Weird..

I felt that the writers wanted to add someone controversial to the mix to remove attention from the lack of other stories.

I'm almost positive he got in because they over compensated for not having same sex relationships in the first 2 games.

That was one of the first questions me and my friend commented on when we got about 5 hours in the game.

"Do you think they just over compensated for not having same sex relationships in the first 2 games?"

I supported same sex relation ships in the second and it probably should have happened there, but it just felt like over compensation in 3.

How is it over compensation though? Straight male sheps can get Ashley Kelly, Tali, Miranda Dianna, Jack and Liara while gay male sheps get Kaidan and Steve. Same with lesbian femshep, she only gets Samantha and Dianna (as well as Liara if you classify her as female)

I would say 2-3 characters is not an over compensation.

[grandmasterub]

He felt tacked in so that the story would have a prominent LGBT character. Definitely not artfully done and far too blunt. Maybe if they'd eased into his story a bit more instead of "Hi, I'm Cortez, I'm gay, my husband died, thats whats up" all in the first couple dialogues.

[Jamie9]

TheSteelArcher wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I really liked Cortez. I'm going to provide some context on the overall "issue" on homosexuality too. I am heterosexual, but I have some gay friends IRL. They know I'm not gay, but sometimes there is light flirting, you know just a comment on my 'figure' or something, however, it is all in jest, and we both know this.

Cortez was definitely not forced upon my character, and I enjoyed the conversations with him. Kaiden, however, surprised me. I was taken aback when he asked me if I wanted to be more than friends due to him never displaying that in ME1, and we had the 'bromance' thing going strong. But I wasn't offended, I just said we should be friends.

I didn't realize Traynor was lesbian until I found out on the wiki. I thought she was bisexual, although I never actually tried to pursue her.

So no, I don't feel like Cortez was wedged in, he had a very thorough story actually.

I had no idea they made Kaiden gay, I brought my one "perfect" Shep through all 3 and he died on Virmire. I thought Traynor was bisexual, too. Who all was S/S romanceable?

Cortez and Traynor were both homosexual.

Liara, Kaiden and Diana Allers were bisexual.

Ashley, Tali, Miranda, Jack and Garrus were heterosexual.

Jacob be cheating, and Thane dies a hero.

[TheSteelArcher]

Jamie9 wrote...

TheSteelArcher wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I really liked Cortez. I'm going to provide some context on the overall "issue" on homosexuality too. I am heterosexual, but I have some gay friends IRL. They know I'm not gay, but sometimes there is light flirting, you know just a comment on my 'figure' or something, however, it is all in jest, and we both know this.

Cortez was definitely not forced upon my character, and I enjoyed the conversations with him. Kaiden, however, surprised me. I was taken aback when he asked me if I wanted to be more than friends due to him never displaying that in ME1, and we had the 'bromance' thing going strong. But I wasn't offended, I just said we should be friends.

I didn't realize Traynor was lesbian until I found out on the wiki. I thought she was bisexual, although I never actually tried to pursue her.

So no, I don't feel like Cortez was wedged in, he had a very thorough story actually.

I had no idea they made Kaiden gay, I brought my one "perfect" Shep through all 3 and he died on Virmire. I thought Traynor was bisexual, too. Who all was S/S romanceable?

Cortez and Traynor were both homosexual.

Liara, Kaiden and Diana Allers were bisexual.

Ashley, Tali, Miranda, Jack and Garrus were heterosexual.

Jacob be cheating, and Thane dies a hero.

Thanks, and I don't think they overcompensated. I mean, we've gotta try to look at it through the social norms of 2186 which is really hard to do. But, if you think about it, homosexuality would most likely be a non-factor by then. So being bisexual or homosexual wouldn't even be thought about and might even become more common. Still, the Kaiden thing is hard to imagine because they had to reroute his character to make it happen. I can understand some people's concern and others have been upset about it because they felt like Bioware was trying to make a political statement. But, I didn't even know about Traynor or Allers, so I guess in who is and isn't has slight variation. For example: My Allers is heterosexual while someone elses is bisexual. Just a thought, and it'd go with the whole "it's your story" thing the series has pitched since ME1.

[Agamo45]

Eterna5 wrote...

Bob5312 wrote...

Just as a point, here in Canada gay marriage isn't new or controversial, it just is, it's as normal as straight marriage. It honestly didn't occur to me that it was strange for Steve to have a husband until I came across the references to a "gay controversy" south of the border in the news later on.

I'm from Canada too, it is quite shocking how far behind the states is.  

People are still somewhat sane and normal in America, but don't worry. The perverts and sexual deviants are gaining a foothold by indoctrinating our youth. 

[Statulos]

I actually liked that James refeered to him with his name in Spanish. Well, to be honest, it was a poorly pronounced version of it but at least, it´s nice to see some reflection of Spanish speakers in ME.