In this case, I think bioware has made the mistake of promising things they could not deliver.
I still don't agree with the guy bringing the case to FTC, but it was something that was waiting to happen.
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Wow. Taking it a bit too far?
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:02
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Well, it's well within his right. Even if we do not agree with him, it would set a precedent for gaming companies not to over-publicize their products to the extent that they start creating false hopes for their consumers.
In this case, I think bioware has made the mistake of promising things they could not deliver.
I still don't agree with the guy bringing the case to FTC, but it was something that was waiting to happen.
In this case, I think bioware has made the mistake of promising things they could not deliver.
I still don't agree with the guy bringing the case to FTC, but it was something that was waiting to happen.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:02
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He has his rights to do so.
I think he may have overstepped it a little though, but hopefully some good comes out of this. As long as he remains rational and civil about the manner.. Because I can see his reasoning, they have literally misadvertised it in the past - and still are I believe, as little a lie as it may be.
I think he may have overstepped it a little though, but hopefully some good comes out of this. As long as he remains rational and civil about the manner.. Because I can see his reasoning, they have literally misadvertised it in the past - and still are I believe, as little a lie as it may be.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:03
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You'd think that when a entire topic is urging one person not to do that and provide valid reasons not to, that he'd listen.
If you're reading this, this is exactly why we told you not to do that.
If we've first started to get positive support from others outside of the forum then we shouldn't start to ruin it.
If you're reading this, this is exactly why we told you not to do that.
If we've first started to get positive support from others outside of the forum then we shouldn't start to ruin it.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:03
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Militarized wrote...
swinburnian wrote...
Don't necessarily agree with him, but he has that right. He paid money for a product EA/Bioware didn't deliver. Was he civil in his thread here?
He was very civil, people just don't understand it's one of the consumer tools we possess. Though it doesn't surprise me, Americans especially like to be given it up the butt by Corporations with no recourse it seems.... until you mess with our Mass Effect story that is!!!
Which is the reason why I am standing by my existential argument. If he/she is willing to take all the responsibility for his/her action and is willing to accept any possible consequence, then I wish him/her well. Regardless of my opinion against such action.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:03
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So, some of you told him it was a bad idea & would pretty much group us fans of the series in a negative light? .......Ugh....I mean, I personally don't like the endings, but COME ON.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:03
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I find this very sad. I didn't like the ending and i'd like it to be improved, but not like this. I think Bioware if taking healthy steps to listen to its fans, and there are many of us 
#32
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:04
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He has theright to do it. I personally support it, for now, all i know is that they lied to us about epic closure to Shepard's story.
I wouldn't do the same thing he did, but only because i feel it's a lost cause anyway. My favorite series is ruined. BioWare put so much work in it, and in last 10 minutes of the game instead of finally closing the game with at least decent finalle, they just took the corpse of Shepard and started spitting on it and beating it with a baseball bat. That's how i feel.
I wouldn't do the same thing he did, but only because i feel it's a lost cause anyway. My favorite series is ruined. BioWare put so much work in it, and in last 10 minutes of the game instead of finally closing the game with at least decent finalle, they just took the corpse of Shepard and started spitting on it and beating it with a baseball bat. That's how i feel.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:04
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This will not help us at all. Thanks Gameinformer for proving you're interested in seeing us fail
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:05
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The Almighty Ali wrote...
You'd think that when a entire topic is urging one person not to do that and provide valid reasons not to, that he'd listen.
If you're reading this, this is exactly why we told you not to do that.
If we've first started to get positive support from others outside of the forum then we shouldn't start to ruin it.
One article from a no name blog I've never heard of doesn't seem that bad. I am surprised that more people just simply don't understand it's a valid place to go for consumer complaints. Corporations are NOT your friend.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:05
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He was perfectly rational in his post and carefully explained why he was filing a complaint. And that's all it was: filing a complaint. It's what consumers are supposed to do, in a sense, if they receive a faulty or misadvertised product. It's not like he started legal action, he just let the place that tracks and organizes consumer complaints know that he had a complaint.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:05
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Its his right, and as far as im concerned, what BW did was plain out fraud.
Only thing wrong is hes targetting EA, not who i would go after. That and all hell do is waste his time and probably make it "worse" for the RetakeME3 movement. But its still his right to complain.
I would love to see them adressing all the issues with the ending, dont believe they will, but somehow still hang around somewhat hoping for it, I am not doing something like that because i cant be bothered, not because i think what he did was wrong.
Only thing wrong is hes targetting EA, not who i would go after. That and all hell do is waste his time and probably make it "worse" for the RetakeME3 movement. But its still his right to complain.
I would love to see them adressing all the issues with the ending, dont believe they will, but somehow still hang around somewhat hoping for it, I am not doing something like that because i cant be bothered, not because i think what he did was wrong.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:05
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Kosiji wrote...
So, some of you told him it was a bad idea & would pretty much group us fans of the series in a negative light? .......Ugh....I mean, I personally don't like the endings, but COME ON.
Well most of our stance is that while what Bioware has done was quite offensive to the fans, they haven't pushed us to the limit where alot of us felt the need to pursue legal action, henceforth advising against pursuing any kind of legal action to prevent us from being pictured as bunch of extremists.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:06
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HKR148 wrote...
Kosiji wrote...
So, some of you told him it was a bad idea & would pretty much group us fans of the series in a negative light? .......Ugh....I mean, I personally don't like the endings, but COME ON.
Well most of our stance is that while what Bioware has done was quite offensive to the fans, they haven't pushed us to the limit where alot of us felt the need to pursue legal action, henceforth advising against pursuing any kind of legal action to prevent us from being pictured as bunch of extremists.
IT. IS. NOT. LEGAL. ACTION. LEARN YOUR RIGHTS AS A CONSUMER.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:07
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I really dislike that one person's unhelpful action is being covered like it was a group effort. This will hurt and it sucks for the group.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:07
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Sigh.. This just shows how the actions of one person can shine a bad light on everyone... It was a little early to file something like that in my opinion.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:07
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The comments of that article depress the hell out of me.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:08
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HKR148 wrote...
Kosiji wrote...
So, some of you told him it was a bad idea & would pretty much group us fans of the series in a negative light? .......Ugh....I mean, I personally don't like the endings, but COME ON.
Well most of our stance is that while what Bioware has done was quite offensive to the fans, they haven't pushed us to the limit where alot of us felt the need to pursue legal action, henceforth advising against pursuing any kind of legal action to prevent us from being pictured as bunch of extremists.
But filing a complaint with the FTC isn't legal action. They're where consumers go when they feel wronged by a company, the FTC keeps it all on file, and maybe if enough people file then all the FTC does, as far as I can tell, is let the company know that an awful lot of people are complaining. That's as far as it goes, provided no one is complaining about anything actually illegal.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:09
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ZodiEmish wrote...
Sigh.. This just shows how the actions of one person can shine a bad light on everyone... It was a little early to file something like that in my opinion.
I agree. This will affect ALL FANS whether they liked the ending or not.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:09
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HKR148 wrote...
Which is the reason why I am standing by my existential argument. If he/she is willing to take all the responsibility for his/her action and is willing to accept any possible consequence, then I wish him/her well. Regardless of my opinion against such action.
What consequences do you believe may exist?
PKchu wrote...
I really dislike that one person's unhelpful action is being covered like it was a group effort. This will hurt and it sucks for the group.
How is it unhelpful? How will it hurt? Any media platform with a bias against the fans of ME3 complaining about
the ending will jump on anything that is seen as uppity. Ultimately, such a complaint can only help us, the consumers who bought an unsatisfactory product. Not complaining about an unsatisfactory product for fear of appearance can only be detrimental to consumer rights.
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#48
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:10
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That's strange. I sent the link to Kotaku, not GameInformer >:[
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:10
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Well, not really the way I am choosing to handle this, but still his call.
I don't think this is the way to secure a good faith fix of the problem.
I don't think this is the way to secure a good faith fix of the problem.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:10
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I don't swim in money - when i buy the game, i expect it to be exactly what developers are promising it to be.
ME3 was great, but the epilogue ruined the whole series, which indicates either BioWare lying, me misunderstanding them (i expected epilogue giving feeling of closure, i got an Assassins Creed wannabe) OR simply me being stupid enough to not understand artistic value of the endings. I don't know - i don't care.
All i know is that i paid for something i don't have.
ME3 was great, but the epilogue ruined the whole series, which indicates either BioWare lying, me misunderstanding them (i expected epilogue giving feeling of closure, i got an Assassins Creed wannabe) OR simply me being stupid enough to not understand artistic value of the endings. I don't know - i don't care.
All i know is that i paid for something i don't have.
