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[xtorma]

If he feels it's justified , he has the right. Just as you have the right to disagree.

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

yes. LOL

[dheer]

So what? I'm not going to head to the FTC but if they want to, what's the problem?

Gameinformer picking one person who they think is out of line and painting everyone who didn't like the endings with it is the real problem here.

[naughty99]

Kosiji wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...to-the-ftc.aspx

Thoughts?

Slow news day at game informer.

[Claym0re]

S*hit happens.

Modifié par Claym0re, 17 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[fern222]

old news...

[AtreiyaN7]

Oh yes, that thing from yesterday. I remember the OP posting his thread in the forums. My opinion remains that it's a frivolous complaint, and as one guy kept pointing out in thread, they don't actually handle complaints about artistic/creative works. So really, all it does is make you all look bad. Congrats! You think anyone ever filed an FTC complaint over the ending to FO3 or The Sopranos? I said that this was the height of stupidity yesterday, and I'm sticking with that opinion.

[AlphaSoundWaves]

HAHAHA!!! what a pathetic person. Seriously? Someone did that? ...This is not what we need. :/

[xODD7BALLx]

Kosiji wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...to-the-ftc.aspx

Thoughts?

alot of people myself included filed against EA for a on the box and well advertised feature that was completely broken at launch and we had no indication for a fix or even acknowledgement of the problem and we all went to the BBB and coordinated making sure people were civil and not THIS SUXORZ AHHHH lol, but we all stuck together and within a week it got well on the way to a quick patch and we all went on our merry ways. some people thought we were extreme too and told us all to stfu and that we were "whiners" or "retarded".......well us "whiners" and "tards" got a game fixed to working standards from a behemoth publisher.

I know "holding the line" or filing a complaint as this person did against EA/BW in regards to ME3's ending isnt the same as being a broken feature, but in my opinion they clearly said CONCLUSIVE, CLOSURE, 16 ENDINGS BASED ON ALL DECISIONS, lol so yeah false advertising but still this "complaint" process or route this person took isn't beyond reason or wrong in any way, it's his or her right to do so, but ultimately the mob rules and unless everyone with reasons to complain follow this persons path then the complaint will just go under the rug.

EDIT: also games are not art, you can use games as a means to present "art" but no, yes I know us gamers like the idea that they are art whenever a new Rockstar title hits the shelves and the media flips out but really games are just products.

Modifié par Operative84, 17 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[jeska22]

i think its a good symbol of how players dissatisfaction about the end is.

[Dark_Caduceus]

You can argue that it's childish or ineffective in making Bioware give some accountability. But you objectively cannot argue that it's "too far", no one is beyond their rights in enacting action via the FTC.

An example of a complaint filed to the FTC would be if a lawnmower made by HONDA had a sticker saying "MADE IN AMERICA". If you discover that many of the parts were manufactured in other countries then you're justified in filing a complaint for misleading advertisement.

As a consumer, you have methods of recourse available to you if you're dissatisfied by a product or it's marketing. You're never going too far by filing a complaint with the FTC, you're being an intelligent consumer.

I'll start treating corporations like people when they start treating me like a person and not a walking, talking wallet which is exactly like they view consumers.

[x-Killision-X]

F*** that dude. He's on his own

[Kosiji]

x-Killision-X wrote...

F*** that dude. He's on his own

Ha. I wouldn't put it pass anyone that he doesn't build up a following.

[Qutayba]

Um, baby rattler made of sharp glass shards, go to the FTC.

Depressed about a game, nope. As if the bureaucracy wasn't clogged up enough as it is. What's next, calling 911? OMG, I'm having a gaming emergency!

I'm holding the line, but keeping a sense of proportion.

As for "art," I think video games are an artform, or at least have artistic elements (story being one of them).  However, being art doesn't mean being beyond criticism: quite the opposite.

Modifié par Qutayba, 17 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[chibilombax]

You know it was the wrong thing to do when the fans who agree with not liking the endings end up face palming at you.

[wesr]

I support him. The FTC is there to investigate companies who appear to have shady business practices and in this case it's bioware for sure. The FTC is going to ignore it anyhow since it was just one person but it's like the articles in Forbes where it gets the attention this needs from people.

[CRISIS1717]

Hell yeah! fight the power!

They deserve it, also trade commissions need to look into the inconsistent statements on the DLC as well.

[SolidisusSnake1]

Honestly while it may seem extreme he is well within his rights. Just look at the statements they made about the game and the ending pre-release and then look at what you got. That I think you could consider it "faulty advertising", so he is not out of his bounds filing the complaint.

[pavi132]

Definitely lol. Still, I'm curious to see how that works out for him. My guess: it goes nowhere.

[dbt-kenny]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Yeah, I think that is taking it too far.

No it is not, a lot of games have let us down in past year or so.

if you buy a car and the adds say it come with a free dvd player, and it does 100 miles to the gallon you be a bit unhappy. I it just same a lie is a lie. tell soming so we buy it then not give it to use is a lie.

[MzAdventure]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

You can argue that it's childish or ineffective in making Bioware give some accountability. But you objectively cannot argue that it's "too far", no one is beyond their rights in enacting action via the FTC.

An example of a complaint filed to the FTC would be if a lawnmower made by HONDA had a sticker saying "MADE IN AMERICA". If you discover that many of the parts were manufactured in other countries then you're justified in filing a complaint for misleading advertisement.

As a consumer, you have methods of recourse available to you if you're dissatisfied by a product or it's marketing. You're never going too far by filing a complaint with the FTC, you're being an intelligent consumer.

I'll start treating corporations like people when they start treating me like a person and not a walking, talking wallet which is exactly like they view consumers.

THIS!!!!

I would not choose to make a complaint, but support fully any citizen's right to do so.

[Burnham1]

He filed a complaint because he felt EA had advertised the game falsely and he game didn't contain the things in it that he was led to believe it had. He has every right to file a complaint and is simply exercising his rights as an American citizen.

He didn't file a lawsuit against the company, he isn't taking them to court to sue them, or anything of that nature. The only thing that could ever come from this is they look into whether or not EA actually did actually behave in false advertising and if they deem it is so, they will fine them some miniscule amount in the grand scheme of things because they have already made far more off this game then what the possible fine would entail. Not to mention the probability of any legal action actually being taken against EA because of this is way less 1%.

Nothing here was taken too far. If someone feels they were treated unfairly and they respond by acting within their legal means (which he clearly was), then no wrong doing has occurred.

[The Night Mammoth]

He isn't "complaining about the endings". That might be his motivation, but his actual complaint is basically false advertising. If he believes strongly enough about that, sure, file a complaint with as many organizations as possible. This is so far away from what some people here think it happening it's quite ridiculous. It's not a lawsuit. He isn't going to court over it. The FTC'll see this, put it on file, and act on it if there's enough people complaining about the same thing.

The problem lies with the so called journalists reporting about it. It's so obviously biased. The shameful thing is, these idiots actually influence people.

[Lo Chiamavano Bulldozer]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Yeah, I think that is taking it too far.