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[SakuraChan73]

wow that is a bit extreme but that's just me

[Auresta]

Too far.

[errend]

victoriakm wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

You can argue that it's childish or ineffective in making Bioware give some accountability. But you objectively cannot argue that it's "too far", no one is beyond their rights in enacting action via the FTC.

An example of a complaint filed to the FTC would be if a lawnmower made by HONDA had a sticker saying "MADE IN AMERICA". If you discover that many of the parts were manufactured in other countries then you're justified in filing a complaint for misleading advertisement.

As a consumer, you have methods of recourse available to you if you're dissatisfied by a product or it's marketing. You're never going too far by filing a complaint with the FTC, you're being an intelligent consumer.

I'll start treating corporations like people when they start treating me like a person and not a walking, talking wallet which is exactly like they view consumers.

THIS!!!!

I would not choose to make a complaint, but support fully any citizen's right to do so.

exactly what i think like someone said bioware/EA ain't friend of yours,they ain't out here to make you happy,they are out there to make money anyway they can and if it make you happy in the process all the better sicne it means even more money for them

[Paparob]

I think the vast majority of the people here will agree that it was the wrong way to handle it.

[LegatoSkyheart]

The person has every right to do it, but, I do agree that going to the FTC is doing a little bit too much.

[The Night Mammoth]

I'm so confused. People can donate over $60,000 to charity, make a Twitter page, a website, numerous poles, a facebook group, likely send thousands of letters, and generate all this backlash on the forums in protest, but it's "too far" as soon as someone, yes one person, complains to the official body which EXISTS FOR THIS SORT OF THING. Insane.

[Lankist]

I recall those threads, and I also recall just about every member of the community disavowing the action.

Funny that isn't mentioned.

Modifié par Lankist, 18 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[Clayless]

Lesson learned here Bioware:

Never make something for fans. Instead just copy and paste CoD and make billions.

[panamakira]

This "fan" is making us all look like idiots and hurting what we're trying to accomplish. I'm even more inclined to believe this person is either a EA/BW hater and took advantage of the situation or a troll that purposely wants to hurt the cause.

[xHarrison23]

This is NOT good for our cause. We need positive stories in the press not negative ones. We need the media on our side!

[Sashimi_taco]

Him complaining to FTC isn't going to do anything. If anything the news about it has gained more attention to the hate of the endings. The FTC will not do anything about it at all because you cannot charge someone on those claims. However the news coverage has given Retake Mass Effect more attention.

[DemGeth]

Paparob wrote...

I think the vast majority of the people here will agree that it was the wrong way to handle it.

The hold the line people were 50/50 support/against in the thread.  Bioware was nice enough to lock it fairly quickly.  

[Torga_DW]

I think its a sad day when someone exercises his rights as a consumer after being subject to blatantly false advertising, and people see him as an extremist.

[SamFlagg]

I believe that this is a bridge too far.

But clearly those that have crossed it can not be disuaded from doing so.  I'd only suggest the rest do not follow, as I'm sure most of us would not.

There will always be a segment of any outraged reaction whom immediatally sets the only goal as destruction of everything that was and everyone associated with it.  I think we recognize that those folks are not the majority.

The only way to make any progress will be through constructive dialogue (and withholding of dollars)

We should try to be constructive both when we believe we are being treated fairly, and put on the knowing smile of "I know what you're doing, but it's not going to work" when we think we are being led astray.

I don't think you solve a battle of wills with the FTC.

[Slappy Ya Face]

"That's a little extreme, commander."

[Nykara]

Stuff like this AT this point without giving bioware / EA a chance is only going to hurt any progress that might be made towards fixing things. Chances are it could all get caught up in red tape now.

[Lazarus Cricket]

not the route I would go, personally. but I'm not going to condemn him for it, a person can fight however they want within the bounds of law. There is no right or wrong way to do something as long as its legal and honest.

[Mundas]

Imo the ending/s (the plural is debatable) doesn't do the series justice. It robs it of any meaningful conclusion by dictating and completely disregarding player discisions. Mass Effect deserves better, it was definately not the ending i was looking for.

However this is just taking it to far, yes we are all disappointed but this isn't going to solve anything. We need to create a respectful dialog and help Bioware come up with a solution for this. Not be antagonistic and jump off the deep end. If Bioware are still all about the fans and care, the changes will come. If they're not, well we'll have our answer either way.

Stay classy BSN

[jb1983]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Lesson learned here Bioware:

Never make something for fans. Instead just copy and paste CoD and make billions.

Or, don't promise one thing and give us another. 

I think this guy is going about it the wrong way. At the same time, he has a case. We have multiple threads of people pointing out what was promised and what was delivered. It's a complete contradiction. 

So really, the guy has a legitimate case (as do we all). I just don't htink he should pres it...yet. 

[Stalker]

This guy is making the movement look like overreacting jerks.

[jb1983]

Nykara wrote...

Stuff like this AT this point without giving bioware / EA a chance is only going to hurt any progress that might be made towards fixing things. Chances are it could all get caught up in red tape now.

This. 

While the guy has a case, I think in the longrun it hurts everyone. Now Bioware (and other gaming companies) will have to be careful about what they say or promise. It could be they want to go in one direction, talk about it, and then change directions. A disgruntled fan could then file on them to the FTC. It just hurts the situation more than it helps at this moment. 

[Optimus J]

Kosiji wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...to-the-ftc.aspx

Thoughts?

Why it's too far? The guy have evidence, then he have a case. The case will be treated with all morosity the FTC can probably, and will be more slow than a snail. But the fake advertising he files STILL IS a solid case.

Modifié par Optimus J, 18 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[RedWulfi]

I dont like the ending as much as the next guy but... damn.

[RequiemDogma]

The only real news is that he wasted the time of a bunch of people who probably had legitimate complaints to deal with.

Who am I kidding, hardly anything reported to FTC/BBB is legitimate.

[RequiemDogma]

Optimus J wrote...

Kosiji wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...to-the-ftc.aspx

Thoughts?

Why it's too far? The guy have evidence, then he have a case. The case will be treated with all morosity the FTC can probably, and will be more slow than a snail. But the fake advertising he files STILL IS a solid case.

There is no false advertising.
Your choices raise a number, this number interacts with a number raised by your multiplayer activity.
This overall number produces an ending, or brings about the possability of endings when you choose A B or C, if your choices get you that far.
The FTC will say "Oh look, different endings caused by player choice" Case closed.
It's people like this who make it hard for us to be taken seriously, instead of being considered as "entitlement ****s".