The myth that people want a happier ending.
#51
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:24
My biggest problems with the ending deal with how stupid it is. Here's my crew on Earth... I go to the Citadel and stop the Illusive Man. I make this stupidly large decision and now we see the Normandy flying through relays.. for no reason. Then they crash... and those crew members on Earth are now somewhere else.
Why? How? What?
I fought for these people. I gave everything for them. And we don't see the different races in victory. We don't see the reactions of the crew members from 3 games to what Shepard does. We just get a stupid "Why are they crashing... and who the hell is this old man and child talking about 'the Shepard?'"
It was a mess of ideas done poorly.
The focus after Shepard's sacrifice should have been on the crew members and allies. Their reactions. Was Earth completely messed up by the Reapers? Yeah and it cannot sustain that fleet. Sad ending, but perhaps the relays should have survived in an ending or two so people can go home with what's left of their fleets.
But the endings are kinda stupid like that. BioWare wanted a bitter sweet ending and instead delivered a disjointed (who's this old man and child to me? I already know Shepard's a legend) and unsatisfying ending.
I'm fine with downer endings, I like the control and destroy endings well enough all the way up to the Normandy flying randomly in a relay system. That invalidates why Shepard fought. Now his crew are stranded and dead. Especially Tali and Garrus who will starve on a planet where clearly humans can live.
Think about how ME1 ended with a small little wrap up with the Council/Anderson/Udina talking about what was ahead. Or how ME2 ended with Shepard telling the Illusive Man that the war isn't over and then showed Shepard preparing for an apocalyptic war.
Those gave closure. They had big choices, big big BIG action, and then they wrapped things up just as the credits began to roll. Here? No. There's no wrap up. I would have killed to be in the ME3 writers room and beg that some surviving crew member from ME3 do some kind of a wrap up. That we see the fleets in victory and the familiar faces register Shepard's sacrifice.
#52
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:24
#53
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:25
CarolSephard wrote...
I want the endings to make sense and explain some things. I can understand lots of endings where Shep can die, I have no problem with that, the most important thing to me is an ending that makes sense. Anyway, if I could see my Shep alive and having children, why could it be a bad thing?
The problem is the way the story is currently set up that ending would be next to impossible to do. They'd have to either throw in another Deus Ex Machina or completely rewrite.
#54
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:25
HAPPY ENDING / VARIOUS ENDINGS:
- While Mass Effect (especially ME3) is a very dark story, but stil that doesn’t mean there can’t be positive ending. And even with one, galaxy is still mostly in ashes, with dead kids, torn families, lost loved ones, for Shepard - Anderson dead, some other friends dead (Mordin, Thane, Legion). I’d say it still would be pretty grim. That’s why “ponies and rainbows” argument seems to very least untrue.
- One of most frequent complaints is one that endings are just too similar. Even to point where flashbacks don’t show your love interest.
- We don’t want destruction of relays or Shepard’s death removed. We just want this to be one of possibilities. Next to ones where Reapers win, Reapers loose, relays stay, next cycle comes and so on… We just want options and choices. Three games told as that there are various possibilities and options. Don’t change that in last minute.
#55
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:25
Welsh Inferno wrote...
It REALLY confuses me why there is no Reapers win ending.
Supposedly there is, you have to avoid all the sidequests and tank your EMS score. But what you will get is one extra FMV of the Earth burning.
Modifié par sadako, 17 mars 2012 - 08:26 .
#56
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:25
#57
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:26
A story isnt bad just because the hero lives.
#58
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:26
Welsh Inferno wrote...
T-Raks wrote...
I just want it to make sense.
This.
Though some UBER HAPPEH UNICORNS AND BUTTERFLIES ending would be silly. What would be the point of the Reapers? I mean really it would completely undermine such an epic enemy that has harvested all life for atleast 2 billion years. Shepard should be able to live obviously, but it should be hard to achieve. There will always be heavy losses when fighting this foe.
Well, I thought there already was a lot of sacrifice. Friends died, planets got devestated, billions dead... so, why can't our epic space hero have his cake after all that hardship? Why can't the message be "You did it! Yes! You defeated all that evil and lived to tell the tale! Here's that ice cream! And all your friends are here too!"?
I don't get it why a hero has to die. Some reviewer on youtube said it best (forgot who, sorry!), "a hero has to anything" in a game like Mass Effect makes no sense.
Give me my happy ending if I work for it, and give me my total f**k up if I screwed up. I don't need videogames to make me think and bring me down, real life has more than enough of that in store for me.
#59
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:26
Nageth wrote...
The problem is the way the story is currently set up that ending would be next to impossible to do. They'd have to either throw in another Deus Ex Machina or completely rewrite.
No. It isn't. As evidenced by multiple suggestions from day one on this board.
It can be done simply, easily and logically.
#60
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:26
#61
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:26
HOLD THE LINE!
#62
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:26
This is nonsensical talk, a game has the luxury of multiple endings, a game of all mediums can afford to have more than 2 endings. Just because people want the endings to make sense, doesn't mean they cannot want a happy ending at the same time.
I hope this clears up some confusion.
#63
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:27
Modifié par Lietuvis, 17 mars 2012 - 08:27 .
#64
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:27
#65
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:27
Avissel wrote...
It's not a myth, I for one DO want a happier ending.
A happy ending is no more cliche than a sad ending.
This. I've fallen in love with the characters during the course of three games, I have the right to care for them and want them to live and see the happy ending.
And if not, just an ending which would MAKE SENSE would do. It's as simple as that.
#66
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:27
#67
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:28
My main complaint is that the endings don't make sense and lack choice, dialogue, closure and explanation. This includes the Normandy crash and teleporting squad mates too.
#68
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:28
Militarized wrote...
I think the myth is that we ONLY want happy ending. I want both extremes represented properly.. from elation to winning, to the despair of watching Earth be harvested by the Reapers. Why not have both?
Because a wide variety of endings is hard to represent with different colors.
#69
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:28
Trobon18 wrote...
Taphia wrote...
i absolutely want a happy ending but that's my opinion. the debate itself isn't about a happier ending for the sake of having a happy ending. it's about having an ending that makes sense and it's not without merit. a happier ending may mean simply an ending that makes sense for some and for others they want the super mega happy ending. personally i just want the ending that makes sense and yes i can ask for a happy ending but it won't kill me to have an ending that is actually bittersweet/self sacrificing or whatever so long as it makes sense! the happy/happier/happiest ending debate is irrelevant until the ending makes sense.
I agree that the important thing is for it to make sense. But then, on the other hand, we can't insult those sites that say people want a happy ending if we are going to be sending mixed messages on that issue. We can't get all defensive about our position if our position is too cloudy.
People don't want 1 ending. Thats what those magazine aren't understanding.
#70
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:28
Just make some damn sens into it all (like that frickin ghost kid, remove it!). And add a epilogue, let me know what happen to the reapers and the frickin galaxy i just apparently saved(?). Jeez!.
Getting pretty annoying that these mainstream media site seem to think its all about "HAPPY DAYS". No, NO!.
#71
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:29
#72
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#73
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:29
#74
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:29
the ending(s) as they're now are nothing more than a last minute idea (due to the leaks or not)... using the informations from "Mass Effect 3 - Final Hours" 4 month before the release they were still fumbling around with ideas how to end the series... to have no idea about the ending of a series at that time of the production cycle of a 5 year long series (7 years of you take the first anouncement into account) is very very bad and can only end with A,B,C because it's the easiest choise (and usually the worst)
(after 5 days I forced myself to start ME1... I'll play through the series again... but I won't get to the ending-cutscene and use my imagination instead... the official ending is worse than anything else I can come up with... btw: only 2 days after the release one deviantart-user came up with a better idea how Shep could have reacted towards the starchild and giving us a ending we actually would have wanted to see... even though it had alot of sacrifice in it and wasn't "happy" at all)
Modifié par kakyo01, 17 mars 2012 - 08:31 .
#75
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:30
The thing is, im willing to bet most people who want a happy ending would also be fine with an ending that made sense.





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