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[dasGleamer]

peole want endingS... operative word being "endings" (i.e. pleural)

also, if we can suspend our disbelief that shepard is the most galactic badass ever and has exceeded every previous being to ever live in the galaxy, and we can suspend our disbelief that a half-naked miranda lawson or jack can use biotic shields to protect them in the heat of battle, etc...

we can suspend our disbelief that the reaper threat can be defeated without sacrificing the entire galaxy... so long as you made all the right choices throughout the three games.

saving the council (which i originally killed), destroying teh collector base (which i actually wanted to keep), etc... none of it made a difference.

if the point was to make some nihilstic artsy statement that none of life matters and that we all die in the end, then kudos. but if the point was to create an epic space opera where you can feel like the biggest galactic badass ever (which is exactly what the first 2 games did), then they failed hard.

[Subject M]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

There's no happy ending for ME3, even if all crew members and Shepard survive. Planets are devastated, economies and militaries are in shambles. I wouldn't call that happy. All endings should be derived from that, all the way down to Shepard dying and destroying the Reapers (maybe even keep the low EMS ending where Shepard dies, kills the Reapers, and destroys the Relays) to the Reapers winning despite everything.

It's all about real endings, and less about Shepard and co lining up to get medals with Wrex and Grunt giving a simultaneous Krogan cheer with EDI and Joker making comments before the screen swipes to black and the credits roll.

AMEN

Modifié par Subject M, 17 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[Ieldra]

I want a happy ending, too - as an option.

Though I'd be willing to follow Bioware in their sacrifice scenario if the rest of the ending was ok. Galaxy fubared, Shepard's friends fubared and Shepard dead - that together it what makes the endings depressing. Especially the Galaxy fubared by the destruction of the relays.

The destruction of the relays breaks the ending for me.

[Piarath]

Again I ask, what is wrong with wanting a happy ending? Seriously, let's for one moment all forget that our complaints are focused around the plot holes, the lack of choices, the lack of your previous choices mattering, the lack of closure, the cheapening of the Reapers as villains and the ending being completely unfit to the established character (both via what players might do through their choices in the game AND what BioWare has already set down) of the Commander. Let's set all those things aside for one moment...

Let's assume some people want a happy ending. So what? Where in literature does it say, "sad, bitter-sweet, and heroic sacrifices are more meaningful and deeper forms of storytelling than happy endings!" Oh sure, maybe your average "happily ever after" ending isn't, but that doesn't mean a happy ending can't be deep, meaningful and truly great literature. Hey, you know what? Lord of the Rings. The ICONIC fantasy story, master of its genre before most of us were BORN.

Happy ending! Meaningful, deep, thought out. A happy ending is no less filled with depth than a sad or bitter-sweet ending; each one is capable if you write them properly.

So I support the route that a choice should have been given, and that for those who wanted it a Happy Ending could and should have been had the option to attain it. After all, we were promised multiple endings. Why can't there be an option for Happy for those who fight for it (it's practically the theme of the series; fighting impossible odds and winning), bitter-sweet for those who like it, or outright sad for those who tout its better because it's more 'real' or what have you. Anyone telling you you are less of a person in anyway because you want a happy ending, for whatever reason, is just plain a person you shouldn't listen to. Anyone telling you that a happy ending is less of an ending than any other kind simply BECAUSE it's happy, is wrong. Happy, sad, bitter-sweet, heroic sacrifice... these can all have deep, important meaning that truly DRIVES a narrative when done correctly. No one is less or more than the other by its simple base facets.

Besides. So many people tout how great the ending is; let's take the ending entirely at face-value. Shepard is teased to be alive on what is agreed by most to be in London while the Normandy crew is seen smiling dippishly at a paradise planet and then an old man narrates that "The Shepard defeated the reapers and then there's more stories afterwards, but I'll tell you them later!" (Tacky, crass, fourth wall breaking end screen telling you to buy DLC)

... yeah. That doesn't really sound like they were trying to cut the 'happiness' out in the first place (if you take these endings entirely at face value, mind). It's so the lack of it here that bothers us!

Modifié par Piarath, 17 mars 2012 - 09:01 .

[Piarath]

Wrong button. Double post, but I'll make use of the space.

Mass Effect 3 is riddled with deep, meaningul, and often heroic sacrifices. It powers down on you with such things and often done to perfection. It doesn't NEED to end on such a note, for those who don't want it too, to have really carried the point of these things home. If anything, such an ending- especially if it's too forced- would only serve to turn preachy and inane; beating you over the head with the idea rather then making a point properly. Take that one as you will.

So even if they want to try and ignore ALL our other arguments to focus on one point that's only rarely brought up (you know doing that is a logical fallacy anyway and doesn't exactly prove your stance in a debate), the fact is; so what? There's actually nothing wrong with it. A happy ending is no less for a narrative than any other. Just write it properly. Write it well.

Modifié par Piarath, 17 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Deemz]

I don't need a happy ending. If the game needs me to die then I want to go out shooting. Fighting the good fight. Not talking to Casper

Modifié par Deemz, 17 mars 2012 - 09:02 .

[Tylea002]

T-Raks wrote...

I just want it to make sense.

Pretty much. So long as it makes sense within the game, I'm fine. It's really quite a low bar, surprising they didn't pass it.

[Aligalipe]

I want a happy ending too, but I don't need it. What I both want and need is that the endings should make sense, and feel the effects of my decisions.

[Lisa_H]

I want the option for an happy ending. Not all endings have to be happy, but there should be a happy ending option. I don't care if I have to work hard for it(I will even play the mulitplayer if necessary) but I want the option to be there.

[Twizz089]

I just want an ending that reflects the choices I made... I dont even care if that mean everyone dies and the reapers win depending on the choices I make.

[EmGo]

 I want endings that make sense. I also want one of the endings to be a happy ending. So no, it's not completely a myth.
Yes, everyone is mostly angry about the space magic that doesn't make any sense. But also a lot of people want to have variety among endings, including the happy ending.

[LadyofRivendell]

I want the option. I'm not asking for rainbows, I'm asking for an ending where my squad lives and I can enjoy the rest of my life helping rebuild the galaxy alongside my LI, settling down being iffy.

I don't get what's so wrong with a "happy" ending.

[NekOoNinja]

I may be a fool, but a happier ending as an *option* would be nice. Over the course of the series, the tone shifted from merry exploration to genocide simulator, and having the *option* to end this nightmare on a bit more uplifting beat would have been welcome. The confusing mess of an "ending" wasn't the very least satisfying, it killed the motivation to replay any game from the series, and even multiplayer. And yes, it was the 7000EMS one I'm talking about.

[Penitent]

What myth? I want a happier ending. Much happier.

[Taphia]

aliengmr1 wrote...

Trobon18 wrote...

Taphia wrote...

i absolutely want a happy ending but that's my opinion. the debate itself isn't about a happier ending for the sake of having a happy ending. it's about having an ending that makes sense and it's not without merit. a happier ending may mean simply an ending that makes sense for some and for others they want the super mega happy ending. personally i just want the ending that makes sense and yes i can ask for a happy ending but it won't kill me to have an ending that is actually bittersweet/self sacrificing or whatever so long as it makes sense! the happy/happier/happiest ending debate is irrelevant until the ending makes sense.

I agree that the important thing is for it to make sense. But then, on the other hand, we can't insult those sites that say people want a happy ending if we are going to be sending mixed messages on that issue. We can't get all defensive about our position if our position is too cloudy.

People don't want 1 ending. Thats what those magazine aren't understanding.

i'll clarify here. an ending that makes sense is the priority but yes, choice should matter so there would be several endings to fit several types of game choices. similar to the suicide mission where if you made a choice to put a non tech into the the tech role you failed or if you didnt do the loyalty missions, you failed in some way. so yes i personally want a happy ending, i'd settle for a linear ending that makes sense, and the overall best option is variety that encompasses what choices you made during the game play process. 

[blackeyes677]

sadako wrote...

not a myth. I want my EPIC WIN and EPIC FAIL options.

And everything in-between.

[Targy90]

As an end to a trilogy that was meant to be about choices, I'd like to see endings ranging from dark to happy.

[Linus108]

Some people want a happy ending, but that's not the biggest criticism that most have.

It's that the plot made no sense, was illogical, had plot holes, and it retconned past plots. It basically tricked the player into thinking all their decisions would matter in shaping the end, and that the ending themselves would have a lot of variety..and again you could choose.

But that's not what you got. Personally, I could have accept a tragic/sad ending. I could have even accepted a "bad" ending. But I just needed it to make sense.

[OhManTFE]

I'd like a happy ending, but what I would really like is a broad range of endings all factoring in your decisions in the game, some bad, some happy, some in-between. Also, they need to make sense. The ME3 ending was the triple fail of: no choices factoring in, making absolutely no sense, and being horrifically depressing.

[magnuskn]

I want an end which makes sense. And a happy ending. Both things are not mutually exclusive.

[guyfromprague]

I want AN ending.
Not for me. But for Garrus, Tali, and the entire ME franchise.
Happy and sad - depending on paragon/renegade and my choices.

[Subject M]

Conduit0 wrote...

The real myth is that people will be happy if Bioware rewrites the ending, If the BSN has taught me anything, its that no matter what BW does to appease the fans at this point, there will be a significant and very loud portion of the community pissed off because they didn't get exactly what they wanted.

Don't say that. While there will always be haters, trolls and generally unstable people who can never be pleased, if the developers over at Bioware could just deliver the quality that they offered up until the ending, I really it will be OK - for most of us I guess.

Most of us probably know the three endings or the catalyst will not be removed from the game, we understand that, we can accept it or learn to accept it.

The only thing they have to do is investigating what Shepard can achieve in the game that  deals with or relates to why this conflict and destruction is all happening, use that to influence the the new endings that does not resemble the 3 endings in terms of death, destruction and nullification of what has been achieved and fought for (Earth, galactic peace and new-found community, team members and LI) and explore the background story around the reapers and the catalyst a bit more.

Modifié par Subject M, 17 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[WazTheMagnificent]

There are a lot of people who want happier endings.It's largely irrelevant though. The endings are not bad because they are sad.

To be honest, I think people asking for happier endings should be careful what they wish for. It might lead to Bioware simply keeping the original endings, but making them slightly happier. Which would actually make them even worse. Bioware needs to overhaul the ending completely.Not because it's sad, but because it's ****ing stupid.If there is going to be a happy ending, it should be one of MANY possible DISTINCT endings.

Modifié par WazTheMagnificent, 17 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[magnuskn]

Also: I wouldn't even find it all that strange if the Krogans bake Shepard a pie for his birthday, given that he is mainly responsible for getting the genophage cured. He'd just have to be cautious about asking if there's any Salarian in it.

[daemoxn]

I am of the opinion that a series with so many choices really should have a good three or four dozen endings. All ranges of the emotional spectrum, please.