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[Iakus]

 I think people want the option for happy endings.  And sad endings.  And hopeful endings.  And downer endings.  And bittersweet endings.  What they don't want is to have the exact same ending everyone else got.

[Meltemph]

You should change the topic title to "The myth that the reason the endings were bad, was because it was not happy". Cause there are people who wanted a happy ending... But that still does not take away from the fact that the ending we got was just silly and badly executed.

[WazTheMagnificent]

Meltemph wrote...

You should change the topic title to "The myth that the reason the endings were bad, was because it was not happy". Cause there are people who wanted a happy ending... But that still does not take away from the fact that the ending we got was just silly and badly executed.

Bingo.

[Ariq]

One other point: there can be vast discrepancies between what is meant by 'happy ending'. See for example the mention of the LoTR as an example of a happy ending by an above poster. LoTR ends with the Shire in ruins, the loss of the magic of elves, and our hero Frodo so damaged that he can't be healed nor live out his life in peace at home as he wished. The beautiful places we've been shown -- Rivendell and Lorien -- are promised to fail and fade away. What was lost almost overshadows what was gained. This is hardly a Disney-esque ending, but most people will agree that overall LoTR *is* a good ending.

Modifié par Ariq, 17 mars 2012 - 09:14 .

[C Trayne]

I for one agree with the OP here... several bioware employees were tweeting about people only wanting the endings changed because they were sad... That is not the case at least for me. I was ready to see many characters die and when thane went I accepted it, when miranda perished in my arms, i accepted it, when i watched hundreds of troops cut down on the battle fields I accepted it...

What i will not accept is this crap of an ending that tries to close the entire series in 2 minutes without taking into consideration any choices i have made...

However, if they added one ending that gave for a a happier mindset and was difficult to acquire i wouldn't argue against it, i just came into this game expecting a darker ending. I mean the reapers have pretty much torched a lot of the galaxy

[Brawne]

It doesnt need to be happy, it needs to make at least SOME sense.

[shnellegaming]

sadako wrote...

not a myth. I want my EPIC WIN and EPIC FAIL options.

/same

[Untamed98]

A happy ending should be an OPTION, but very hard to achieve. There is nothing wrong with wanting a happy ending considering how many hours we put into caring about our Shepards and the Mass Effect Universe.

[Bfler]

There should be a broad range of endings, from the absolute happy ending til the absolute disaster.
I for myself also prefer a good end, because there are enough downers in real world.

[flemm]

Ariq wrote...
This is hardly a Disney-esque ending, but most people will agree that overall LoTR *is* a good ending.

It's a good example. The ending is bittersweet, partly triumphant (the heros accomplish their goals), but partly sad (because so much is lost along the way).

It works because of the balance between those things AND because the loss and sacrifice have been foreshadowed along the way quite frequently, so it doesn't come as a surprise and feels like part of the natural progression of the story.

It's not so much that the ending should be perfectly "happy" or perfectly "sad," but that there needs to be a sense of completeness and accomplishment.

Of course, in a game like this, you can have multiple endings, so there is more leeway, but at least one of them has to give that feeling of completion or fulfillment, ideally more than one.

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[Mitra]

It's not a myth! I'm not a stupid myth!
What is wrong with the truth that I want a "happy ending" with Shepard alive and together with her/his love forever? Together with friends and rebuilding the galaxy?
There is nothing wrong with that and that is no myth.

And why not add a complete opposite end, where the reapers just destroy everything? That would be the possibility too..... if they only gave us the chance.

I believe in good chances. That is no myth!

[Subject M]

WazTheMagnificent wrote...

There are a lot of people who want happier endings.It's largely irrelevant though. The endings are not bad because they are sad.

To be honest, I think people asking for happier endings should be careful what they wish for. It might lead to Bioware simply keeping the original endings, but making them slightly happier. Which would actually make them even worse. Bioware needs to overhaul the ending completely.Not because it's sad, but because it's ****ing stupid.If there is going to be a happy ending, it should be one of MANY possible DISTINCT endings.

For those who fought for a "happy ending" the ending will be unsatisfying if there is no "happy ending".

I think you should prepare yourself for the original endings staying, even if they add new endings that are quite different. But I suspect that they will also alter these "three main endings" a bit if they take themselves the time and energy adding new ones. You might be surprised what a few extra lines and some modified cinematics can do to a bad scene.

[2484Stryker]

Piarath wrote...

Again I ask, what is wrong with wanting a happy ending?

There is nothing wrong with it.  It's just that when NOT properly worded, a lot of people who are against this current RetakeME movement easily uses it to categorize us as childish and shallow.

We want multiple endings, and a happy ending being ONE OF THEM.

[Robhuzz]

pprrff wrote...

it's not a myth. I speak for myself and I do want an ending where Shepard lives, crew survives, the fleets intact and earth doesn't get taken out by a supernova. I don't care about relays, if everyone has to settle on earth so be it. I want to live with humanity's bffs.

There is no food or drink on Earth that Quarians or Turians can eat/drink. It is improbable that plants based on dextro amino acids could grow on Earth, meaning all Quarians and Turians stuck in the sol relay will starve to death.... Yeah makes the ending even worse tbh.

Anyway that was  bit off topic.

I want at least the option of getting a reasonably happy end. Where most of the squad including LI lives and they aren't stranded on a planet. Also the relays must survive. Analyzing the Reaper data cores for the Relay plans/schematics just so the organic races can build new ones in a few decades is just a lame device that serves no long term purpose, just short term drama.

I've put too much time into this game to simply have Shepard die and let galactic civilisation plunge into the dark ages no matter what I do. 

[rex343]

Just want the ending to make sense if I would not mind a happy ending though.

[Suparaddy]

I care less about my Shep living or dying than I care about the fate of the galaxy.

and yeah, I just want an ending that makes sense.

[lady winde]

Just want to say I'd like the option for a happy ending, something that has to be really hard to achieve. Make us work for it.

[Ryan546]

A "happy" ending should definitely be achievable, i don't care if I need 7000 assets and 100% readiness And when we say happy we mean Shepard living and reuniting with crew and LI

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Happy ending is currently the most asked for option in the poll with ~9,000 responses.

Not a majority, and it's barely beating the other ones, but still, the most selected choice is happy ending.

[xMellowhype]

I'd like it to not be full of plotholes or have every ending end with the decimation of every living species. The Reapers provided a quick death, starvation and fighting on a decimated planet is an even worse fate.

[Alamar2078]

I belive it's a "myth" that people are mad ONLY because there is no happy ending with butterflys & unicorns.

I think the big things are:

-- For a game about choice 3 precanned endings with pretty much no choice is offensive. Where are the many divergent endings for the game itself??

-- BW made promises that they intentionally did not keep

-- If the game had built-up to this sort of ending it wouldn't have been as bad but it basically came from left field

-- There is not a real sense of closure with the endings themselves ... what happened to Shep, the squad, the various galactic civilizations???

[WazTheMagnificent]

The more I think about it **** it. Bioware screwed up. Any attempt to fix it, especially shoehorning in "happy" or "blue babies XD" ending is only going to make it worse. I'm done.

Good luck to you all. I hope you get the endings you want. Personally, I won't be be to take a forced happy ending seriously, any moreso than than the current ending, which is a forced "sad" ending.

[Subject M]

Robhuzz wrote...

pprrff wrote...

it's not a myth. I speak for myself and I do want an ending where Shepard lives, crew survives, the fleets intact and earth doesn't get taken out by a supernova. I don't care about relays, if everyone has to settle on earth so be it. I want to live with humanity's bffs.

There is no food or drink on Earth that Quarians or Turians can eat/drink. It is improbable that plants based on dextro amino acids could grow on Earth, meaning all Quarians and Turians stuck in the sol relay will starve to death.... Yeah makes the ending even worse tbh.

Anyway that was  bit off topic.

I want at least the option of getting a reasonably happy end. Where most of the squad including LI lives and they aren't stranded on a planet. Also the relays must survive. Analyzing the Reaper data cores for the Relay plans/schematics just so the organic races can build new ones in a few decades is just a lame device that serves no long term purpose, just short term drama.

I've put too much time into this game to simply have Shepard die and let galactic civilisation plunge into the dark ages no matter what I do. 

I do not know how near the closest relay is beyond the Charon relay, but if it is within long range FTL range, the alien fleets could hopefully make it home if only the Charon relay was destroyed (without going supernova-like) or deactivated in one of the "good" or "hope" endings. It would mean Earth becoming a remote world, only accessible from the rest of the universe and vise versa through great cost.

Modifié par Subject M, 17 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[Iakus]

2484Stryker wrote..

We want multiple endings, and a happy ending being ONE OF THEM.

QFT