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[jlb524]

FitScotGaymer wrote...
I take it you didn't like LesbianShep being shoved in ur face in ME1 and 2 with Liara and Kelly? Oh wait you don't seem to be complaining about that...

If you only play MaleShep (cuz come on, playing FemShep is gay) you won't see it.

[Tequila Man]

MPSai wrote...

Penitent wrote...


What's the next game going to incorporate to be edgy? Bestiality? The whole asexual Asari thing should have sufficed.

You really think acknowledging gay people exist is "edgy"?

Asari aren't asexual. They are female. With bewbs and uteri.

MPS: I believe they exist... somewhere.... out there.

[Slash1667]

Aubairjin wrote...

Shepard got himself pretty much ****ed by the spacebrat in the ending anyway. Removing Steve wouldn't have removed the "gay" relationships :>

EPIC WIN

[Chun Hei]

Visserian99 wrote...

babelcarlota wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

push2play wrote...

If anyone in the homosexual mafia is reading this, I'd love to sign up.

Sign me up too... and I feel cheated... I'm still wondering what is the gay agenda.. is it Leather? maybe purple? How come I'm not invited to the secret meetings???

There is a mafia? Sh*t I want to join too.

I thought I had sent out all our tastefully made invitations at our last meeting. Sorry about that.

I got the pink baseball bats and I just watched "The Untouchables."

[Shanook]

bleetman wrote...

I didn't really use shotguns in my playthrough. Garrus is also my favourite squad member. So they should've clearly just not bothered adding shotguns and devoted more resoruces to Garrus.

This is how it works, right? Saying you don't really care for one thing and advocating they should've devoted the resources to something entirely unrelated? Am I doing this right?

Wait, let me try again. I didn't take paragon options much. They should've added vehicle sections. I think I'm getting the hang of this.

Screw that, I hated all the walking parts! They should've just made it all Hammerhead missions! With no shields! Because shields are for chumps!

Everything else was a waste of resources!

:innocent:

[Conduit0]

Justin2k wrote...

Why? It's all true.

Play chess with random lesbian girl or play chess with Tali?
Drink with Steve or Drink with Garrus?

I think theres 99/100 people that would prefer the second options to what was put in the game. It was a waste of time and resources to appease whiny fans.

I think this should be posted in every, "change the ending" thread just for the lulz.

[Crinkles]

I didn't even realize Specialist Traynor was a lesbian---for my Shepard, she was just a good friend and loyal crew member. The same goes for Steve; it was great to be able to connect to people on the Normandy who weren't squad mates. I saw the potential for a gay relationship with the "eye candy" discussion in the bar, but turned him down with a "Waiting for the right woman" (that woman being Ashley; I'm bisexual but my Shepard is straight). I don't see what's so wrong with having a crew with a deeper history.

[Tequila Man]

I'm going to make my own hate thread. With hookers, and alcohol, and drugs.

Eh, forget the thread.

/Bender

[Kioux]

Tequila Man wrote...
I always love how homoerotic homophobes get. Language is fun.

Utterly brilliant. Thanks so much for that.

What gets me is that nobody forces anyone to actually indulge in these options - yet they are displayed as some issue. You don't like it? Don't play it - igore it, try to be mean to the characters as much as you can if you need that satistfaction.*Sigh* I guess some people just have to find something...

[TODD9999]

I thought Cortez and Traynor were good, well-developed characters - not as much as a squadmate, say, but definitely good NPCs. And neither of them ran around wearing rainbows, neither of them constantly ranted about how much they wanted to sleep with you, although they did reveal their orientations in a straightforward manner (I found Traynor's talking about how much she loved EDI's voice amusing). They were just soldiers who happened to be homosexual, and it was completely possible to be friends with them and support them without jumping into bed with them. Or to ignore them, if that's what you'd prefer to do.

EDIT: Oh, and regarding development time - from what has been said in the Final Hours thing, as well as Casey's interview, it's plain this is the ending they wanted.  They didn't run out of time.  So that argument doesn't seem to hold water.

Modifié par TODD9999, 17 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[Salyut]

If people are against romances in BioWare as a whole, they might have a valid argument. I myself think they greatly add to the games, but I can see why someone who doesn't like them feels they're a waste of resources.

To single out gay romances, however, screams of bigotry. If a game allows you to role play a character that can romance other characters, there should be male and female options for everyone. Being inclusive is never a waste of resources. It's simply doing the right thing. Gay and bisexual people are already marginalized in the vast majority of media and everyday society. They don't need people like the OP whining about how one of the few games that's actually inclusive is wasting programming time.
Now if only BioWare would start including non-trivialized well written transgender characters. That would be awesome.

[piemanz]

What a load of bollocks.

[SonicZX]

more foolish talk about gay romances please just stop it already this is getting old its OPTIONAL not forced in the game and GROW UP ALREADY!!! >=(

[Slash1667]

GiBBsBoT05 wrote...

No Steve or Treynor =/= More Garrus and Ashley

Besides, I liked Esteban and Treynor. I didn't even realize she was a Female romance option at first, but her quirky ways and awkwardness endeared her to me. Steve was just a great character and solider. Were there a Mass Effect 4, I'd love to have seen them back.

I'd love to see all 3 of the new characters back in a Mass Effect 4

[Tequila Man]

Wait, what about Vega?! My ManShep wrestled him! DU DU DUUUUUUUN

[ticklefist]

The Angry One wrote...

Shanook wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

EDIT:
Plus I love Rafael Sbarge's voice.

THIS. Dude's got the sexiest voice the universe has ever known.

Sexy yes, but sexiest?
Sorry, that goes to Gideon Emery.

Fenris? I guess I could see that. I'm a straight male but yeah I guess I can see that.

[Penitent]

Tequila Man wrote...

I always love how homoerotic homophobes get. Language is fun.

And I love how you always fabricate meaningless propaganda terms in weak attempts at psychological manipulation. There is no such thing as "homophobia;" and I'm no more such for having an aversion to seeing it in my video games, than I am a "pedophobe" for not wanting to see Commander Shepard have a young boy love interest.
 
This installment went far beyond anything prudent, and as the OP rightly asserts, even suffered for it content-wise.

[MPSai]

TODD9999 wrote...

although they did reveal their orientations in a straightforward manner

Yeah but it was in a way that implied people being gay is a non-issue 170 years in the future. Heres hoping.

[sirisaacx]

Tequila Man wrote...

Penitent wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

I hate to say I told you so...

As there was a growing "we are gay and we want gay shepard!!" campaign since ME1, i consistently said the exact same thing. 

Which was while I have nothing against gay people, shoehorning in gay relationships to a series that is already established, is just going to take time and energy away from characters we love.

So what do we get?  Playing chess with some girl who just got shoehorned into the game.  How many more of you (gay people included) would prefer to see Shepard playing Quarian chess with Tali?  Wait, is that 99% of the playerbase with their hands up?

Same, drinks with "Steve".  How many more of you would prefer to see Shepard propping up the bar with Garrus?  Is that even more of you?

This was a waste of time, put in to appease a small minority of whining fans.  As such we got LESS Ashley.  We got LESS jacob.  We got LESS miranda. 

Sorry, but it's true.  "Steve" probably got more screen time than almost anybody, to appease the people with their "gays in space" banners, and thats a shame.  I think the Jacob and Thane fans would have rather the programming time spent on them.

Dare I say imagine if the resources for those 6-7 scenes with Steve were all put into improving the ending..  i think we'd have far less people complaining about no gay, than we do at the moment.

You're right. And this, more than anything, made me averse to ever buying anything made by Bioware again. I have no interest in such things in real life, and as such, have no interest in them in my video gaming. Unfortunately, I had no idea this was in the game until after I purchased it. I just ignored Cortez the entire game. Unlike the reporter, I couldn't kick him off my ship.

It's not enough I have this stuff shoved in my face every day in real life Bioware? Now it's being imposed upon me in my video gaming too? Yes, because if I don't talk to Cortez, I'm forced to listen to his annoying love message playing in the background, over and over, every time I go to the shuttle bay to upgrade my weapons. And for what? To cater to a diminutive market?

What's the next game going to incorporate to be edgy? Bestiality? The whole asexual Asari thing should have sufficed.

I always love how homoerotic homophobes get. Language is fun.

This is the best countertroll I've seen in a while. Well done.

[Lonsecia]

noxsachi wrote...

Lonsecia wrote...
If Bioware were really after courting controversy, just think of what they could have added: A transgender stereotype. As in a character you romance only telling you after you've been intimate. This is a cliche in a fair few TV 'dramas' as is, and is certainly incendiary. Personally, I'd have quite liked to see a TG at some point, just to see how they're percieved in the future (one would hope everyone is a little more openminded than currently at least).

I really wouldn't trust Bioware with writing a good TG character, given how western media tends to portray us. Seems sad but the only companies I'd trust to actually include a decent TG character in their games would be Japanese, Atlus in particular. Naoto in Persona 4 was pretty well written, aside from the whole aspect of what happens if you date her >.>, and Kanji, from the same game, has to be the best gay character in video games.

I dunno maybe I like the whole 'joke' they had with prostitutes at the pearl in DAO get to me too much, but yeah, would not trust Bioware to do it right.

Alas that was what I was thinking. All but one programme I've seen tackling TG have portrayed them as basically 'traps' for straight guys, as if all TGs ever want is single males in bars, only to then 'reveal'. Worse still is I know people in real life who 'know a guy who knows a guy who had this happen', which not only is unlikely, but stupid of said friends to even mention (Said group of friends have at least a few people they know who're TG, either MTF or FTM). Annoyingl, said single program that tried to be supportive was an episode of CSI where Grissom gave a quite nice and thoughtful speech, though it was trivilaised somewhat by the simple fact it felt a little forced.

I agree about the Japanese, though even then they can goe woefully wide of the mark with their portrayal, though at least they do try.

Also to something else I've seen a few times mentioned here (including the OP), more than 0.9% of the world's population are gay. It's at least closer to 10% (though most likely higher) which is not a tiny minority. Expecially if you break up the numbers into all their statistical components (male, female, ages, sexuality, ethnicity, religion and so forth). That 10% starts to look a lot bigger than a tiny minority.

[The Angry One]

ticklefist wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Shanook wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

EDIT:
Plus I love Rafael Sbarge's voice.

THIS. Dude's got the sexiest voice the universe has ever known.

Sexy yes, but sexiest?
Sorry, that goes to Gideon Emery.

Fenris? I guess I could see that. I'm a straight male but yeah I guess I can see that.

See? SEE? Even straight men see the appeal of dat voice.

[Shanook]

The Angry One wrote...

Shanook wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

EDIT:
Plus I love Rafael Sbarge's voice.

THIS. Dude's got the sexiest voice the universe has ever known.

Sexy yes, but sexiest?
Sorry, that goes to Gideon Emery.

*readies Thanix cannon in defense of fangirl beliefs*

[mrderp27]

the fact that the sexuality of traynor/steve is an issue depresses me

[Capeo]

Wow. Stupid thread is stupid.