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[toots1221]

I liked both Traynor and Steve. I didn't romance either one of them but I liked both characters. I don't think they took anything away from the game. I'd much rather have those two than Miranda or Jacob or *shudder* Kelly Chambers on the ship.

[WarChicken78]

fropas wrote...

Multi-player was a waste. . .Gay people need love too.

Can't agree here. I like the Multiplayer.
But the second statement is definitely true. Gays have to endure enough hate in RL thanks to people like the OP.
I'm glad Bioware thought of them in ME3.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Xenbus wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I prefer minor but well developed characters to retconning existing characters. (Kaiden anyone?)

I actually always assumed him and Ash were Bi. They had these lines of dialogue in ME1 that felt like they were flirting, regardless of your gender. But, then for some reason Ash isn't Bi in ME3, but Kaiden is. Which is like "Double standard much?"

They were written as both being BI in 1 iirc.

There is a switch you could change in the editor that unlocked unique dialogue for romance scenes in sheps cabin for both of them regardless of sex.

They simply turned it off in the first game.

This is actually a myth. Kaidan and Ashley were not written to be bi in ME1; it's just that Meer and Hale were given the exactl same script to read off of. There's a YouTube video somewhere of ManShep referring to himself as a woman, in fact.

[Firas81]

Look out people! This forum is flaming!

[Balmung31]

Xenbus wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I prefer minor but well developed characters to retconning existing characters. (Kaiden anyone?)

I actually always assumed him and Ash were Bi. They had these lines of dialogue in ME1 that felt like they were flirting, regardless of your gender. But, then for some reason Ash isn't Bi in ME3, but Kaiden is. Which is like "Double standard much?"

They were written as both being BI in 1 iirc.

There is a switch you could change in the editor that unlocked unique dialogue for romance scenes in sheps cabin for both of them regardless of sex.

They simply turned it off in the first game.

There's also dialogue of MaleShep explicitly stating he's a woman, so I'm not sure about the original intentions.  More like they were line-reads from the actors to help with the process of getting dialogue.

In either case, Kaidan became Bi while Ash remained hetero.  50/50. 

[Evil_medved]

WarChicken78 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Multi-player was a waste. . .Gay people need love too.

Can't agree here. I like the Multiplayer.
But the second statement is definitely true. Gays have to endure enough hate in RL thanks to people like the OP.
I'm glad Bioware thought of them in ME3.

Thats because you never saw a GOOD horde-mode.

[DarthKaldriss]

So the is this the new thing to whine about?  We've finished beating on the endings? 
People need to grow the f*** up. 

[Statulos]

I´d complain for lack of more content about other companions, not because you can interact with other secondary characters.

I liked the chess and drinks, but I wanted still more conversation with others. Even though there is a nice amount of it.

[Nyctyris]

I'm floored someone would even say what the OP did on this forum.

Having "relationships" in a game is pretty sad by mainstream standards you know, and by that argument it's a waste of time and programming. Some people I know are really turned off by that kind of in-game bond with FICTIONAL characters and just play the rest of the game for the "adventure" aspects.

presumably gay/bi gamers don't get annoyed with the proliferation of hetero relationships, don't see why you have to get annoyed at non-hetero ones.

[Justin2k]

Brahlis wrote...

I'd just like to say, though, that IMO is was MUCH BETTER for them to add new characters rather than suddenly change the orientation of already established characters.

Well they changed Kaidan's orientation didn't they?

Honestly they just shouldn't have bothered at all.  Much like multiplayer.  These are things targetted to attract more players, not things that enhance the game for the majority.  By all means it should have been included at the start of a new series or in a spin off, but there was no need to introduce this.

And if you don't think all those scenes with Steve take away from scenes they could have added to improve the game for the majority, you are silly. 

Dare I say imagine if the resources for those 6-7 scenes with Steve were all put into improving the ending..  i think we'd have far less people complaining about no gay, than we do at the moment.

[Captain_Obvious]

I thought it was a nice addition, and I'm glad they put effort into it. The game has problems, sure, but th s/s romances are not part of them.

[xAmilli0n]

Did this thread really happen?

*sigh*

[beccathelion]

Anybody else think this seems like a lame attempt to get people to gay-bash or whatever, and in turn, revive the whole "this is just a homophobic issue" mindset?

[MageTarot]

*deleted post*


Reported it instead.


Nothing to see here, move along.

Modifié par MageTarot, 17 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[jmarkows]

I'm ok they put gay romance into it.

What I'm not ok with is that if you're talking and being friendly to your crew, suddenly they can act all romancey towards you (Steve caught my by surprise), and they only way out at that point are some dickish remarks.

I had the same issue with DA2. Suddenly, Anders is on my tail and there was no "No thanks, Anders, I'm not gay." The only option was kinda like "F off dude."

[Harbinger of Hope]

WarChicken78 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Multi-player was a waste. . .Gay people need love too.

Can't agree here. I like the Multiplayer.
But the second statement is definitely true. Gays have to endure enough hate in RL thanks to people like the OP.
I'm glad Bioware thought of them in ME3.

Here, Here! A toast! To the brave homosexuals and transsexuals! For putting up with bigots!

[Heather Cline]

Both Steve and Traynor were awesome characters in their own right. Both being gay had nothing to do with it. Only problem I had was the romance scenes with Traynor. Being in underclothing in the shower and femshep going into the shower fully clothed. Doesn't happen in real life, shouldn't happen in a sci-fi rpg game either. Same with the femshep/liara romance scene. Liara is completely naked while femshep is still in underclothing again makes no sense especially when they start getting busy and the underclothing should have come off.

So no it wasn't a waste of programming time, I just think they could have done better.

[AttaBoyTroy]

Narrow-mindedness: Also on the Internet.

[NikitaDarkstar]

I can agree that as characters both Traynor and Steve weren't amazing, but come on, in 2012 people are upset over having the OPTION of romancing a character of the same gender as themselves? I mean really? You're not forced to, you've been given the option. And honestly if that option offends you wouldn't the options of romancing aliens be even more offensive? At least Traynor and Steve are humans.

That said, the only thing that bugged me was no romancing options with Vega. The way he openly flirts you'd expect there to be, but nope. (And I know I'm a minority here but I enjoyed Vega as a character. Damned stereotypical one yes, but an amusing one.)

[ApplesauceBandit]

The characters themselves are a little weak, I did like playing chess with Traynor but i don't understand why they would add relationships for the final game, they should have focused on the main story and endings rather then spend extra time implementing new romance options.
I'm all for Lesbian & Gay relationships in games, but i thought it was a little late to add something to the series, they should have had that in ME1 and continued throughout the series instead of adding it in the final installment.

[Arppis]

I can't believe this topic hasn't been locked yet.

Gay people deserve relationships in games just like us straights. Give it a rest.

And stop hating gay people and then claiming you don't.

Modifié par Arppis, 17 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[WarChicken78]

Evil_medved wrote...

WarChicken78 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Multi-player was a waste. . .Gay people need love too.

Can't agree here. I like the Multiplayer.
But the second statement is definitely true. Gays have to endure enough hate in RL thanks to people like the OP.
I'm glad Bioware thought of them in ME3.

Thats because you never saw a GOOD horde-mode.

I played the **** out of UT2004s Invasion with all kinds of different mods. I guess that counts as a good horde mode.

[Lonsecia]

More time could have been spent on making FemShep run about the Normandy and the Citadel in a way that didn't make it look like she'd had a bad kebab, and she needs not to sit like a dude. Other than that, as I said a little while ago (a few minutes), Both gay characters were fine.

Also: How does sexual orientation come into it with alien species? I mean this in regards to the fact that it's already what would be deemed an unusual situation, so why not have it so Tali and Garrus can be romanced by either gender? Do they even see male and female humans as that different - especially when it comes to one they admire as much as Shep. I know Allers makes some comment about Turians writing the strangest fanmail, but without any examples one can only assume.

If Bioware were really after courting controversy, just think of what they could have added: A transgender stereotype. As in a character you romance only telling you after you've been intimate. This is a cliche in a fair few TV 'dramas' as is, and is certainly incendiary. Personally, I'd have quite liked to see a TG at some point, just to see how they're percieved in the future (one would hope everyone is a little more openminded than currently at least).

Modifié par Lonsecia, 17 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[Darthlawsuit]