Modifié par Walrusninja, 17 mars 2012 - 08:40 .
Gay Relationships - Waste of programming time.
#176
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:40
#177
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:40
First, I don't get your "They had so much more screen time than everyone else" comment. They've had equal--if not less--time as the other characters. I've met Cortez on the Citadel once, same as my squad members. He only talks on the Normandy every once in a while, same as my other squad members. I've almost never talked to Traynor. We had that game night in the captain's quarters, she told me about the scientists and Grissom Academy, and that's about it.
And I don't feel like they were "shoehorned in" at all. Kelly Chambers is not there. We needed someone to take her place. Everyone complained about the shuttle flying itself. We needed a pilot. Since we need these two characters, and fans have been politely asking for gay relationships, why not kill two birds with one stone? And isn't it better to create new characters for these relationships than to ret-conn old ones?
I still don't get how people think Traynor and Cortez are forcing their ideals on Shepard. Cortez just lost his husband. Isn't it reasonable that he's upset? I hate amounting any sort of negative feedback to just "lol your a homofobe and thats y u dont liek this," but I honestly feel like if Cortez had been crying about his mother, or sister, or son, or hell, his pet, there'd be half the whining about him that there is now. And I didn't even realize Traynor was lesbian until I came onto the forums--and I play FemShep! Never once has she brought it up, and I'm more than halfway through this playthrough.
Why would I rather play chess with Tali? At what point did Tali ever say she enjoys chess? Never. She's fine the way she is.
And I already offered to get drinks with Garrus. He said he'd rather shoot cans on the top of the Presidium. I agreed wholeheartedly. I don't want to have drinks with Garrus.
#178
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:40
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 mars 2012 - 08:41 .
#179
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:40
Modifié par Lazarus Cricket, 17 mars 2012 - 08:42 .
#180
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:40
MACharlie1 wrote...
He obviously takes steroids because he doesn't sit on his bum playing video games all day while I do and only weigh 130 lbs...how could you ask that? <_<xtorma wrote...
Militarized wrote...
I think the bigger issue is they wasted development time on that steroid pumped meathead Vega. That is far more insulting to me then adding in another layer of role playing for people. Why not just replace him with your LI or a squad member everyone liked? Like Grunt? If you really want the meathead perspective just take Grunt.
no wonder the world is at each others throats all the time.
Here is a guy who represents the common man , putting it on the line so we can live our little care free lives, and you have people calling him a meathead because he chooses to keep himself in good shape so he can live through his missions.
how do you know he took steroids? you suck sir.
Vega wasnt a bad character, but yeah kind of a waste.
I still think the point, though poorly put, is that the new characters (Vega, Cortez, Diana and Traynor) were not well done, and it would have been more fun for a large majority of people to have swapped them out with ME2 characters.
Not an entirely unreasonable position to hold, frankly.
#181
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:40
Justin2k wrote...
Again, I'll say it again. Steve gets several cinematic cutscenes.
Take all these cutscenes away, make new cutscenes in their place and tack them onto the ending.
What would you prefer? Steve took away development time from more important places, end of story.
I agree with this, but I think multiplayer and the fluff that was kinect were bigger culprits. In all honesty I would pay for a LI DLC that just adds more content to all the relationships. The lack of interactions with the crew bugged me more then the very bad ending. And what was up with that auto dialogue crap that made up 80% of the convos in the game?
#182
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:40
Agamo45 wrote...
Why are you insulting black people and comparing them to gays?ticklefist wrote...
Justin2k wrote...
I hate to say I told you so...
As there was a growing "we are black and we want black shepard!!" campaign since ME1, i consistently said the exact same thing.
Which was while I have nothing against black people, shoehorning in black people to a series that is already established, is just going to take time and energy away from characters we love.
So what do we get? Playing chess with some girl who just got shoehorned into the game. How many more of you (black people included) would prefer to see Shepard playing Quarian chess with Tali? Wait, is that 99% of the playerbase with their hands up?
Same, drinks with "Steve". How many more of you would prefer to see Shepard propping up the bar with Garrus? Is that even more of you?
This was a waste of time, put in to appease a small minority of whining fans. As such we got LESS Ashley. We got LESS jacob. We got LESS miranda.
Sorry, but it's true. "Steve" probably got more screen time than almost anybody, to appease the people with their "blacks in space" banners, and thats a shame. I think the Jacob and Thane fans would have rather the programming time spent on them.
Dare I say imagine if the resources for those 6-7 scenes with Steve were all put into improving the ending.. i think we'd have far less people complaining about no blacks, than we do at the moment.
I hope by changing out 1 word you now realize how horrible what you said really is.
Point. Missing it.
#183
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:40
Xandurpein wrote...
@OP, I loved the character of Tali and kept playing with her as LI in all the times I played ME2. By your logic I should wish the other romances where all scuttled so they put all the developer's time on improving her romance. Well, I don't, because I believe in choice. Trying to reduce homosexuals to a group of people who don't matter because they are a minority is just stupid prejudice.
#184
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:41
<_<= - " ...What? have you even though about what you're say..."
Modifié par asdoorip, 17 mars 2012 - 08:43 .
#185
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:41
Walrusninja wrote...
Ticklefist, that is the stupidest post I've ever seen, hands down. It's also pretty much entirely irelevant. We're not talking about race here.
It is relevant... you just change one word to OP original argument and you see how it works
#186
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:42
#187
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:42
In general, more dialogues for and when you have a romance with someone would be appreciated.
With reference to time of programming, placing more dialogue lines and cutscenes is time-consuming, but if the results are/would be worth that?
#188
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:42
Justin2k wrote...
Again, I'll say it again. Steve gets several cinematic cutscenes.
Take all these cutscenes away, make new cutscenes in their place and tack them onto the ending.
What would you prefer? Steve took away development time from more important places, end of story.
By that logic the whole game was just taking development time from the ending. Personally, I prefer to have a beginning and middle before my ending.
#189
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:42
#190
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:42
Agamo45 wrote...
Why are you insulting black people and comparing them to gays?ticklefist wrote...
Justin2k wrote...
I hate to say I told you so...
As there was a growing "we are black and we want black shepard!!" campaign since ME1, i consistently said the exact same thing.
Which was while I have nothing against black people, shoehorning in black people to a series that is already established, is just going to take time and energy away from characters we love.
So what do we get? Playing chess with some girl who just got shoehorned into the game. How many more of you (black people included) would prefer to see Shepard playing Quarian chess with Tali? Wait, is that 99% of the playerbase with their hands up?
Same, drinks with "Steve". How many more of you would prefer to see Shepard propping up the bar with Garrus? Is that even more of you?
This was a waste of time, put in to appease a small minority of whining fans. As such we got LESS Ashley. We got LESS jacob. We got LESS miranda.
Sorry, but it's true. "Steve" probably got more screen time than almost anybody, to appease the people with their "blacks in space" banners, and thats a shame. I think the Jacob and Thane fans would have rather the programming time spent on them.
Dare I say imagine if the resources for those 6-7 scenes with Steve were all put into improving the ending.. i think we'd have far less people complaining about no blacks, than we do at the moment.
I hope by changing out 1 word you now realize how horrible what you said really is.
I don't think I did either. I changed one word in order to illustrate how bigoted the original post was.
#191
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:42
IsaacShep wrote...
Again, I'll say it again. Garrus gets several cinematic cutscenes.Justin2k wrote...
Again, I'll say it again. Steve gets several cinematic cutscenes.
Take all these cutscenes away, make new cutscenes in their place and tack them onto the ending.
What would you prefer? Steve took away development time from more important places, end of story.
Take all these cutscenes away, make new cutscenes in their place and tack them onto the ending.
What would you prefer? Garrus took away development time from more important places, end of story.
Yeah, but Garrus appeals to 99% of the fanbase. Generic tacked on gay character appeals to that 1%. Theres the difference. It wasn't needed.
Steve gets more time on screen than nearly ALL the main characters, apart from maybe Liara. This is wrong. Have him there by all means. Have him a small romance like Kelly was. But all these cut scenes that most of us don't care about is just massive pandering to gays.
#192
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:42
#193
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:42
There is a lot more extraneous stuff in ME3 that could have been cut for more "meat" in the game but they chose to prioritise in the manner they did.
The str8 romances are not any "less" than the new gay ones. Both get equal treatment which is as it should be.
Know why they did that? Because the main thing in ME is the characters, and their development. So adding in gay romances was expected, and correct.
Your post is so beyond offensive. Do not ever use that as an arguement for the anti-ending arguement ever again. You damage our cause with your homophobia.
#194
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:42
#195
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:43
Walrusninja wrote...
But homosexuals aren't a race Baronesa ....
But Bigotry is the same.
#196
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:43
#197
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:43
Justin2k wrote...
Again, I'll say it again. Steve gets several cinematic cutscenes.
Take all these cutscenes away, make new cutscenes in their place and tack them onto the ending.
What would you prefer? Steve took away development time from more important places, end of story.
Going along with your very ignorant view of game development, no. I would much rather them have him in there then an ending that made sense. You know why? Everyone deserves love. Period. I am a straight male and love me some big ole' funbags, but that doesn't mean that some other male shouldn't be allow to oggle some super cut man. Everyone deserves love. And if by some Space Magic someone were to tell me I could cut Steve from the game and that would somehow make a really great ending, I would say no. I have this thing called morals and integrity, you should look into it.
#198
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:43
Besides, I liked Esteban and Treynor. I didn't even realize she was a Female romance option at first, but her quirky ways and awkwardness endeared her to me. Steve was just a great character and solider. Were there a Mass Effect 4, I'd love to have seen them back.
#199
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:43
augustburnt wrote...
While incorporating homosexuality into games is no big deal, forcing it into games is. Bioware has been pretty fail at this lately.
This I agree with. It felt forced in ME3. Not sure why, but it didn't feel just like a part of the scenery like everything else. I'm not sure it was their intention, but it seemed patronizing as well: "Here is your gay scene with your gay guy, here is your lesbian soldier looking for her wife .. see, we're hip and progressive!". It just seemed very forced to me.
#200
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 08:43

While incorporating homosexuality into games is no big deal, forcing it into games is. Bioware has been pretty fail at this lately.
Wut ? You have two choices... If you had an unwanted kiss from Cortez, you should ask your subconscious




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