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[loungeshep]

I understand.


I should go.

[Ricinator]

DLC On The Disc wrote...

In the future I'll just replay Mass Effect and at the end decide the council was right all along: it was all in Shep's head. There were no sequels, ME was just a great standalone with a lot of unrealized potential.

[Sdrol117]

TheSteelArcher wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

Ignorance is bliss right? Sure, you didn't just waste five years of your life with a woman who left you at the altar. sure you didn't buddy.

No time spent having fun is wasted,regardless of what come after it. Even more so with videogames,since you can replay them.

I get what you mean, but for me, the series has no replay value now. It's a game based on decision making and roleplaying, both of which prove useless in the end. When you play ME1, ME2 or ME3 you're working towards an outcome by making carefully planned decisions that you already know don't matter anyway. It almost retroactively makes playing ME1 and ME2 not fun.

Exactly. 

Edit: Mass Effect became every other game campaign, one you play through once and don't bother with again, because you already knkow the story. (Maybe you play it a few times for achievements, like many are doing for ME3, but that isn't the same)

Modifié par Sdrol117, 17 mars 2012 - 11:20 .

[kbct]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

Ignorance is bliss right? Sure, you didn't just waste five years of your life with a woman who left you at the altar. sure you didn't buddy.

No time spent having fun is wasted,regardless of what come after it. Even more so with videogames,since you can replay them.

The ending ruined the replay value for many people. Maybe not for you, but for lots of others. The reviews reflect that.

[HBC Dresden]

Kanner wrote...

This is probably the worst thing out of everything.  At the heart of it, this is why it sucks so much.  The idea that you can now say "Oh yeah, I still love Mass Effect' and you sound just a little bit more like a simpering moron than an okay guy.

Like being a StarWars fan after the prequels, except that you don't even have the original series as a fall back.

That is why I think this is hitting some people so hard.  It's not just a game, it's a little bit of yourself that should have been great fun to share with others, now isn't.

Ummm, not that I agree (that it is a joke to be an ME), but this whole "joke of an ME3 ending" is because of BSN. So, are you complaining because you were successful in trashing the ending so well?

EDIT:

kbct wrote...

The ending ruined the replay value for many people. Maybe not for you, but for lots of others. The reviews reflect that.

Good for you. I'm in the middle of an ME3 replay with most of my squad dead as a result of ME2's sucide mission and I'm loving the little changes, different characters, and different options in the story. Sure, the ending will be the same, but the journey definately will not.

Modifié par HBC Dresden, 17 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[Tazzmission]

Sdrol117 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

You're in love with this woman, and have been with her for 5 years. You propose marriage, and she says yes. On your wedding day, she leaves you at the altar. Yeah, you jut wasted 5 years of your life, and it's all been ruined.

if you compare a videogame to a real woman im sorry that makes you look really sad beyond belief

Good job making yourself look like an idiot. I tip my hat to you.

:claps sarcasticly: you must feel really cool acting all hard on a internet forum

grow up kid

[Kanner]

HBC Dresden wrote...

Ummm, not that I agree (that it is a joke to be an ME), but this whole "joke of an ME3 ending" is because of BSN. So, are you complaining because you were successful in trashing the ending so well?

I had no control whatsoever over the toxic mix of boredom and rage I felt during the last half hour of ME3.  Sorry.  This isn't my fault.

You can blame people for their actions, but you can't ask them to feel differently.  Asking me to lie about my feelings towards the game for the sake of the game doesn't make much sense?  Given that I've discovered I hate it, why I would I spare it that emotion to save it?

... just not really following you, is all.  You're blaming me for not liking the game and then saying I don't like the game, yeah?

[Texhnolyze101]

I don't care about what other people think the only thing i care about is a yes or no from bioware involving ending dlc.

[Ghost Warrior]

HBC Dresden wrote...

Good for you. I'm in the middle of an ME3 replay with most of my squad dead as a result of ME2's sucide mission and I'm loving the little changes, different characters, and different options in the story. Sure, the ending will be the same, but the journey definately will not.

Kudos.

[byzantine horse]

Just came up with a drinking game on this calm Saturday evening:

The BSN DRINKING GAME!

1. Ingredients:
You need A. alot of beer or other 4.5-7% alcoholic beverage, and
B. one or two bottles of Jägermeister depending on how resistant you are.

2. The Rules:
Everytime someone complains, take a sip of beer.
Everytime someone insults someone else, take one shot of Jägermeister.
You must keep to reading the Mass Effect 3 General Discussion and Story forums.

3. Drink responsibly!



Blatant jokes aside, it is quite sad that a very loud and offensive minority on these forums (who by now seems to have left by their own accord or been banned) were so up in arms immediately after release that that is all many of the outside people will see.

[Rockworm503]

byzantine horse wrote...

Just came up with a drinking game on this calm Saturday evening:

The BSN DRINKING GAME!

1. Ingredients:
You need A. alot of beer or other 4.5-7% alcoholic beverage, and
B. one or two bottles of Jägermeister depending on how resistant you are.

2. The Rules:
Everytime someone complains, take a sip of beer.
Everytime someone insults someone else, take one shot of Jägermeister.
You must keep to reading the Mass Effect 3 General Discussion and Story forums.

3. Drink responsibly!



Blatant jokes aside, it is quite sad that a very loud and offensive minority on these forums (who by now seems to have left by their own accord or been banned) were so up in arms immediately after release that that is all many of the outside people will see.

We're still hear and over 50,000 people are unhappy.
Please keep calling us the minority its quite amusing.

[kbct]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I don't care about what other people think the only thing i care about is a yes or no from bioware involving ending dlc.

Agreed.

[Overule]

Prettymuch. If you describe yourself as a fan of a company like Bioware, it's basically a declaration of your faith in that company's product and business practices. And if it turns out that your faith has been misplaced and you wind up feeling cheated... you feel absolutely *idiotic* for having held out faith for as long as you did. And boy do you not ever forget the guy who reeled you in. Not ever.

[byzantine horse]

Rockworm503 wrote...
We're still hear and over 50,000 people are unhappy.
Please keep calling us the minority its quite amusing.

Learn to read. A loud offensive minority was what I said. Unless you consider yourself loud and offensive which is fine by me I guess.

[byzantine horse]

Double post.

Modifié par byzantine horse, 17 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[addiction21]

Kanner wrote...

This is probably the worst thing out of everything.  At the heart of it, this is why it sucks so much.  The idea that you can now say "Oh yeah, I still love Mass Effect' and you sound just a little bit more like a simpering moron than an okay guy.

Like being a StarWars fan after the prequels, except that you don't even have the original series as a fall back.

That is why I think this is hitting some people so hard.  It's not just a game, it's a little bit of yourself that should have been great fun to share with others, now isn't.

Born in 1982 and a life long Star Wars fan. The prequels did not destroy the franchise for me. Some great things still came out after like KoToR, Jedi Academy, SWG, and theres some books and comics in there.

Just like the Mass Effect franchise. It is more then the few minutes of this game.

[kbct]

HBC Dresden wrote...

kbct wrote...

The ending ruined the replay value for many people. Maybe not for you, but for lots of others. The reviews reflect that.

Good for you. I'm in the middle of an ME3 replay with most of my squad dead as a result of ME2's sucide mission and I'm loving the little changes, different characters, and different options in the story. Sure, the ending will be the same, but the journey definately will not.

That fine. There are some journey-matters-more people here too.

[kbct]

Overule wrote...

Prettymuch. If you describe yourself as a fan of a company like Bioware, it's basically a declaration of your faith in that company's product and business practices. And if it turns out that your faith has been misplaced and you wind up feeling cheated... you feel absolutely *idiotic* for having held out faith for as long as you did. And boy do you not ever forget the guy who reeled you in. Not ever.

And then you spread the word.

[HBC Dresden]

Kanner wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...

Ummm, not that I agree (that it is a joke to be an ME), but this whole "joke of an ME3 ending" is because of BSN. So, are you complaining because you were successful in trashing the ending so well?

I had no control whatsoever over the toxic mix of boredom and rage I felt during the last half hour of ME3.  Sorry.  This isn't my fault.

You can blame people for their actions, but you can't ask them to feel differently.  Asking me to lie about my feelings towards the game for the sake of the game doesn't make much sense?  Given that I've discovered I hate it, why I would I spare it that emotion to save it?

... just not really following you, is all.  You're blaming me for not liking the game and then saying I don't like the game, yeah?

Sorry, I might be getting too general and sematical here, didn't mean for it to be personal. No, you are entitled to your opinion, I gave up on trying to persuade people/things out of my control long time ago.

What I am saying, is that you should not be ignorant of the consequences of how you express youself. BSN can hate the ending, but they have turned to great lengths--including hyperbolic criticism and doing anything to tarnish the image of the game--to get it changed.

I am only stating that this effect will be to tarnish the image of Mass Effect and by extention, being a Mass Effect fan. So, you can hate the ending and the game, but don't be surprised when being a fan is "embarrasing" as a result of how BSN has expressed their hate of the endings.

[Maria Caliban]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

This thread is a joke. ME3 is an awesome game, stop obsessing over one little aspect of it like a tool.

I find it ironic that the ones who are happy with the game as is are more insulting than those of us who are not.

It's the minority/majority view thing.

The majority sees itself as stating an opinion. The minority sees its opinion constantly being drowned out. The minority gets frustrated and angry.

[Sundance31us]

Certain segments of society always view hardcore fans of sci-fi as a joke. Besides it could be worse...imagine if all this fuss was over something like Lexx.

[kbct]

HBC Dresden wrote...

What I am saying, is that you should not be ignorant of the consequences of how you express youself. BSN can hate the ending, but they have turned to great lengths--including hyperbolic criticism and doing anything to tarnish the image of the game--to get it changed.

"The community has been articulate, considerate, and for the most part extremely respectful and smart with how it is providing its feedback. And a large portion of those dissatisfied with the ME3 endings are cautioning others to keep the criticism constructive, to be respectful to the developers, and to remain civil in their arguments. I appreciate that a great deal, and I thank you and the rest of our community for that." --Stanley Woo (moderator)

Many people are civil in expressing their opinion.

[Kanner]

HBC Dresden wrote...

Sorry, I might be getting too general and sematical here, didn't mean for it to be personal. No, you are entitled to your opinion, I gave up on trying to persuade people/things out of my control long time ago.

What I am saying, is that you should not be ignorant of the consequences of how you express youself. BSN can hate the ending, but they have turned to great lengths--including hyperbolic criticism and doing anything to tarnish the image of the game--to get it changed.

I am only stating that this effect will be to tarnish the image of Mass Effect and by extention, being a Mass Effect fan. So, you can hate the ending and the game, but don't be surprised when being a fan is "embarrasing" as a result of how BSN has expressed their hate of the endings.

Right.  I get what you mean.

So far, however, the associated meme has been '... still a better ending than Mass Effect 3.'  Not 'Mass Effect fans are spotty skinny obese basement dwelling whiney...' etc, you know the drill.

So I'll maintain my contention that the franchise has damaged itself, rather than the actions of the fans.  Some of the reported actions have been *interesting*, but the places they're being reported are hardly top tier news.  The Childs Play initiative is, frankly, beautiful.  How angry are people about this?  They're so mad that they gave $5 to charity, that's how mad they are!

That's more charming than cringe worthy. 

Also, sadly, the BSN really is just the very tip of the iceberg as far as this goes.  It's a nice thought, but you're drastically overstating the forum's influence in a way.  What will be worrying Bioware are the metrics they can gather that establish the link between the vocal minority and the vast majority of players. 

Or to put it another way, Star Wars fans are kinda weird, but kinda delightful.  But *everyone* seems to have hated the prequels.

[daftPirate]

Kanner wrote...

This is probably the worst thing out of everything.  At the heart of it, this is why it sucks so much.  The idea that you can now say "Oh yeah, I still love Mass Effect' and you sound just a little bit more like a simpering moron than an okay guy.

Like being a StarWars fan after the prequels, except that you don't even have the original series as a fall back.

That is why I think this is hitting some people so hard.  It's not just a game, it's a little bit of yourself that should have been great fun to share with others, now isn't.

That's because you say things like "I still love mass effect". It doesn't sound like a confident statement, and it makes you look doubtful. If you just said, "Yeah, I love Mass Effect, great trilogy", maybe throw a "pity about the ending, though" in at the end, no one would sound like a "simpering moron".

[kbct]

Kanner wrote...

Also, sadly, the BSN really is just the very tip of the iceberg as far as this goes.  It's a nice thought, but you're drastically overstating the forum's influence in a way.  What will be worrying Bioware are the metrics they can gather that establish the link between the vocal minority and the vast majority of players. 

I think that will play out in the coming weeks if BioWare continues to sit on their hands.