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[daisekihan]

So Vigil says the Reapers came storming through the Citadel and  immediately took control of the mass relays, isolating each system to be picked off. Yet apparently, they were not only able to start building the Crucible, but there was even a faction that wanted to control the Reapers and opposed it.

So, retcon I guess?

[Comguard2]

Don't get your point. Protheans tried to build the Crucible but couldn't use it because they lost control of the Citadel, Vigil hat nothing to do with the prothean crucible.

[Justicar]

Wait, what?

Why can't both be true? :s

Hmm. I'll have to think about this.

[ScotGaymer]

Remember that it took them 300 years to destroy the Prothean Empire. They put up serious resistance.

Okay various clusters couldnt reach each other; but they could organise local resistance within the cluster.

So its not -really- a retcon.

[Firas81]

Yeah I thought of this inconsistency right away. Hell it was on my mind when I watched advertisements watching earth getting attacked...

[Lemonite]

Yeah, I'm not really getting your point here. What's the contradiction?

[MB957]

what does "retcon" mean? Im not familiar with that term

[Leafs43]

Protheans could have tried building the crucible in a system they still possessed.

From the sounds of it, the protheans didn't start building it until late into their war.

[Darthlawsuit]

MB957 wrote...

what does "retcon" mean? Im not familiar with that term

Change the established story.

[Arppis]

*Ah nothing*

Modifié par Arppis, 17 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[Liber320]

What I don't get is why they didn't take control of the mass relays this time around. Instead they decided to derp around systems until the Normandy happened by

[daisekihan]

Lemonite wrote...

Yeah, I'm not really getting your point here. What's the contradiction?

The systems were all cut off from each other, yet there is information about the Crucilble on two different systems (on Mars and Thessia, and I think there is info on worlds you can only scan as well). Also, given the scale of the Crucible, it's hard to believe all the resources for it could have come from any one system.

[thebobafettest]

MB957 wrote...

what does "retcon" mean? Im not familiar with that term

Retroactive Continuity.  Basically, changing what was previously stated to be true to co-exist with more recently published information.  Think Boba Fett seemingly being killed in RotJ, then returning in Dark Empire having escaped the Sarlacc.

[ScotGaymer]

The systems were cut off from other clusters. not from other systems IN that same cluster (of which there are hundreds).

As I said the Prothean Empire fought for 300 years in spite of being effectively crippled in a galactic sense before being defeated.

[Flashlegend]

MB957 wrote...

what does "retcon" mean? Im not familiar with that term

It's changing established canon. For example, in ME2(My memory is foggy) I believe samara says that there are only 3 ardat yakshi in existence.(her 3 daughters) But in ME3 we visit a temple that was full of them? And the banshees, which we fight many times in ME3, are ardat yakshi repurposed by the reapers(the codex specifically says banshees are ardat yakshi transformed). So yea, change in established canon. Generally, from a storytelling perspective, they're considered something you should try to avoid as much as possible.

[NoUserNameHere]

Ilos was issolated and forgotten just as soon as the Reapers arrived last time, yes? Vigil wouldn't have the full story as to what happened.

Crucible construction/ further resistance could have been coordinated through QEC communicators just like in this game.

[Comguard2]

Guess the explanation would be that they found the plans from the prior cycle but didn't know what they're good for until the reapers appeared.

Concerning the resources - I guess that's more a matter of time then on resources, by using asteroids and stuff I think a cluster should be able to build it given enough time.

[MB957]

thebobafettest wrote...

MB957 wrote...

what does "retcon" mean? Im not familiar with that term

Retroactive Continuity.  Basically, changing what was previously stated to be true to co-exist with more recently published information.  Think Boba Fett seemingly being killed in RotJ, then returning in Dark Empire having escaped the Sarlacc.

ah!  I see.  thanks!  yeah...that could mess with ones head a bit.

[daisekihan]

Liber320 wrote...

What I don't get is why they didn't take control of the mass relays this time around. Instead they decided to derp around systems until the Normandy happened by

That was the whole point of the ME1 --- they needed to control the Citadel to control the relays, and they were effectively stopped when Shepard stopped Sovereign. As to why they didn't just attack the Citadel when they got into the galaxy however they did, I have no idea ---- maybe they feared breaking it, since they need it to help gather sentients so they can kill them when the time comes. Also, the Normandy has its stealth system, so its likely few other ships can move as freely

[Flashlegend]

daisekihan wrote...

Liber320 wrote...

What I don't get is why they didn't take control of the mass relays this time around. Instead they decided to derp around systems until the Normandy happened by

That was the whole point of the ME1 --- they needed to control the Citadel to control the relays, and they were effectively stopped when Shepard stopped Sovereign. As to why they didn't just attack the Citadel when they got into the galaxy however they did, I have no idea ---- maybe they feared breaking it, since they need it to help gather sentients so they can kill them when the time comes. Also, the Normandy has its stealth system, so its likely few other ships can move as freely

Actually the fact that space-casper exists kinda invalidates all of ME1's plot. Why didn't he simply didn't he take control?

[daisekihan]

Comguard2 wrote...

Guess the explanation would be that they found the plans from the prior cycle but didn't know what they're good for until the reapers appeared.

Concerning the resources - I guess that's more a matter of time then on resources, by using asteroids and stuff I think a cluster should be able to build it given enough time.

But given the amount of time, I think the Reapers would have figured out the thing was being built and destroyed it.

[Relwyn]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

The systems were cut off from other clusters. not from other systems IN that same cluster (of which there are hundreds).

As I said the Prothean Empire fought for 300 years in spite of being effectively crippled in a galactic sense before being defeated.

Plus that it's reasonable to assume that Protheans had FTL technology as well, nearby clusters could probably give support to one another, but clusters on opposing sides of the Galaxy would not have been able to do so. To wipe out an empire for 300 years shows only as to a) how advanced the protheans were (they were even as a people on the verge to unlock the mass relay technology) and how vast their empire was.

I miss the Protheans, cuddly imperialists as they are 

[KobaTali]

I don't really understand how they didn't just go take over the damn Citadel first. I mean, they seemed to have zero problem going and confiscating it after you hit TIM's Station. Wouldn't it have made more sense to just get it over and done with in the first strike instead of screwing about with all the different systems and letting us keep using the Relays?

[Lassandra]

The reasoning behind why the Reapers didn't just zero in on the Citadel first is one of the many Dreadnought sized plot holes in this "finale" we were served.

[ElementL09]

The Protheans fought the Reapers for years, even though they lose, they did put up a good enough fight to the point were they could add to the crucible and put people into cryo.