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[MeldarthX]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

We hold grievances with the current ending and EA/BioWare because:

• The game's ending fails to meet what we were promised as consumers.

• The game's ending fails to meet our expectations as fans.

• The response from BioWare needs to change.

• We have jobs, families, responsibilities. We dedicate our time to this cause because we genuinely care about Mass Effect and its story.

• We want to see a product that we, as human beings, as consumers, as fans, and as players can be proud of.

Retake Mass Effect 3 - Hold the line.


If you agree with this mission statement then please, stop playing the Mass Effect games. Don't buy new EA/BioWare products. We must show them, beyond the use of this mission statement, that we are willing to use what means we have to convey our message. They will know how many people are playing and for how long with Origin and the EA Network.

For those reading this thread from BioWare and EA - just remember how quickly this grassroots effort sprung up, and how powerful it became. Think, please, about how much of a free marketing whirlwind it could be in your favor if we are listened to and our grievances are satisfied.

You would be one of, if not the, best gaming companies ever. And our faith would be fully restored.

I been doing since 3/11 - I will continue to do this until we have an answer.....

I WILL HOLD THE LINE

[Mafia666xxx]

WELL SAID OP!

[JerkyJohnny14]

[quote]Swinns wrote...

Add something about ending being illogical/plot hole ridden and I am 100% behind this post, until then I'm 99.55555555% behind this post[/

Nevermind

Modifié par JerkyJohnny14, 18 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[zephyrus92]

Should this be made into a poll? To get better numbers on if we, as a community, agree upon these points as our complaints.

[Sentr0]

Supported.

[ArmyKnifeX]

zephyrus92 wrote...

Should this be made into a poll? To get better numbers on if we, as a community, agree upon these points as our complaints.

Hmm, good idea. I'll make a poll for the bullet points. Gimme two shakes!

[log1x_dr4g0n]

Signed

[Spirea]

I support.

I have already stopped playing ME games (even if I wanted to I just can't and I guess you all know why and most of you feel the same way).
The reason is simple, ME are one of the best games I have ever had the honor to play but the last few minutes make all those /played hours meaningless.

Bioware, as a fan since the Neverwinter Nights, I still believe in you.

[Squirrely Jedi]

Supported!

[nitefyre410]

You have my full support...

Hold the line

[Panicomatic]

Supported and upheld.

[Mortensus]

supported

[ArmyKnifeX]

Okay, poll complete. 

Here is the link: 
http://social.biowar...25/polls/29868/ 

It is also available in the first post.

[Vixy]

I'm with you guys holding the line!

[frangible-02]

I support this movement!!

[Crusina]

I see...well I wouldn't view it as diluting the statement, I'd view it as a mature statement clearly stating that while you understand all positions, you're pushing forward with yours. f I were working at bioware, or (lol) EA I'd take the rational, argument covering all sides, rather then the singular mission statement. But that's just how my mind works.

I say "two sides to every argument" not to literally mean that there are only two sides, but to point out the obvious fact that there is more then one side to this.

For the record, I do have a playful streak (my signature for example) I'm still a very hard person to talk to I will admit. For example, the "don't play the game part" makes me want to roll my eyes and call you over dramatic. I don't understand why you have to threaten, or state it. Just do it.

I do not mean to come of as rude, or non-caring about your opinions. I just don't understand why people are acting so dramaticly. It's a game, with an ending that you don't know fully about. Until we get all the facts, why freak out?

I mean, why complain about it? "hold the line" is overly dramatic in my opinion, why bother with saying that? Why not just say "Don't change your mind?"

Again, I'm not "trolling" though, some have already accused me of that. I'm just wondering why you don't just state it without all the dramatic wording.

Modifié par Crusina, 18 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[Lozark]

Supported!

[TSgt_ShaneV]

Crusina wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Crusina wrote...

No.

I understand where you're coming from, but I'd like to say that your signature is offensive to me.

Beyond that, I don't think a simple "no" is warranted here. If you're not part of Retake ME3, then you obviously don't share our mission statement.

If you want to debate us, go right ahead

Thanks for the bump, anyhow.

I understand where you are coming from also, and I respect your opinions. Truely I do.

Nonetheless I think enough (not all, people like you, and many others) people are acting like 5 year olds that until you manage to get more of them in line that people like me will not support you.

If you can put a statement as you did here, I can put one opposing it. There are two sides to every arguement, and you refuse to even awknowledge other people's opinions that may exist with your "mission statement" or that people who side with you may be taking things to far.

Some people, even with 50,000+  votes to the contrary, like the ending.

Let me be clear, as is, I don't like the ending. If the indoctrination thing is true, I would like the ending.

But if you want the support of people like me, and we exist however small amounts, who either like the ending or don't like how some of your "supporters" act then you should simply reiterate your mission statement to something akin to "while some people may be satisified, the majority are not" that way you make note that you accept both sides of the arguement, but simply wish to push forward your agenda over simply saying "I'm satisfied."

TLDR

Don't turn into the Tea Party. Admitt that your side isn't perfect, and that you know some peope like the ending, but that in your opinion that ME3 could be/ could have been vastly improved.

And you are welcome for the bump, and I'm glad you <3 my signature. I spent almost 10 seconds thinking of it.

I agree, even though there are some of us that are dissatisfied about the ending, we have to recognize that there are others that do like the ending and accept that fact and not resort to saying they are wrong, bashing them, or spewing hatred at them. That is not the mission. As adults we should accept it and continue on with the goals of the movement.  Anything else will detract from the goals and use it against the movement to further fracture it.

[WvStolzing]

I support the effort.

Reasons:

- I do not want the story of ME3 to come to an abrupt stop, at a Diabolus Ex Machina (the Starchild). I want events in the endgame to follow logically from previous events. I do not want to see the rules of the game changed in its final moments. To change the rules of a game is to change the game. I do not want to see an arbitrary change in the Reapers' motivations, from what we have already been told through ME1 and 2. I want to see our war assets actively contributing to the effort, having an impact in the course of events. I want the fate of my ship and crew to fit cogently in that course of events.

- I am not asking for further 'explanation' as to the appearance of the Starchild, the Mass Relays getting destroyed, and the Normandy getting stranded. The problem is not that I am failing to understand any of these. I am not asking BioWare to justify the ending as it stands. I do not think that this is possible. The protagonist of the endgame is utterly out of character, and he is in a state of complete disregard as to all that he has done since Eden Prime: I cannot recognize that person to be Shepard; he or she is an impostor. I ask that the final role of the Catalyst and the Crucible be rethought.

- These are very general outlines, that make no 'positive' prescriptions; they rather lay out the necessary constraints under which BW ought to rewrite the end. I am not petitioning for any specific ending. I am petitioning only for an 'ending framework' that is logically sound.

[woolyshambler246]

Keep faith everyone! Hold the line.

[Swisspease]

You can count on my support to hold the line

[Montana]

It's going to be hard not to play the game (it's so damn good).

But I'll hold the line until we get a proper response.

[Crusina]

I agree, even though there are some of us that are dissatisfied about
the ending, we have to recognize that there are others that do like the
ending and accept that fact and not resort to saying they are wrong,
bashing them, or spewing hatred at them. That is not the mission. As
adults we should accept it and continue on with the goals of the
movement.  Anything else will detract from the goals and use it against
the movement to further fracture it.

exactly my point. The more valid your statement is, the more people who will support it, the more people who will listen to it.

Someone could easily say you're being ignorant of the whole picture, the majority may win, but the minority still matters.

Modifié par Crusina, 18 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[Korsvold]

Supported!

This is was supposed to be the end of Shepards story and I expected an ending that brought closure and answers, instead of confusion and a millon new questions. When an amazing story reach its end, I want to lean back satisfied and think "this was a hell of a ride!" Instead I got disappointment, and not the disapointment you get when an amazing story comes to an end, but the kind that makes you feel the story didn't live up to your expectations. And this story, in the end, did not live up to my expectations! Which expectations you might ask? Well here it comes. I wanted my choices through out the game to matter, like curing the genophage and bring the geth and quarians together. I wanted to take back earth, not leave it in a rubble with ten different allien species unable to get home. I wanted an end with several unique choices, not one where I had to choose wich color I like the most. 

Modifié par Korsvold, 18 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[JerkyJohnny14]

Crusina, we use statement like "hold the line" because most people here can relate to it. We are not trying be dramatic, just trying to show support for a better ending and why we are dissatisfied with BW.