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[ArmyKnifeX]

Crusina wrote...

I see...well I wouldn't view it as diluting the statement, I'd view it as a mature statement clearly stating that while you understand all positions, you're pushing forward with yours. f I were working at bioware, or (lol) EA I'd take the rational, argument covering all sides, rather then the singular mission statement. But that's just how my mind works.

The mission statement exists because it unifies us. It is also easy to remember and easy for media outlets / others to see and agree with. It is supposed to represent all of us, so it can't be too specific. And it's short enough to make an impact.

For the record, I do have a playful streak (my signature for example) I'm still a very hard person to talk to I will admit. For example, the "don't play the game part" makes me want to roll my eyes and call you over dramatic. I don't understand why you have to threaten, or state it. Just do it.

It's not a threat, it's a request. And it's there because there's the strong possibility that many RME3 people may not think that EA/BioWare will look at the stats of how much people are playing. People may furthermore not realize that their lack of playing and subsequent appearance in the stats is a tool we can use to voice our opinion. A tool that is stronger than forum posts.

I do not mean to come of as rude, or non-caring about your opinions. I just don't understand why you don't just include all grievances, and stances.

Again, this is to make it as brief as possible while still capturing the general spirit of what people are thinking, saying, and feeling. The concept comes from the following quote:

redknight83 wrote...
2) Repeat the message as often as you can. Self-explanatory. However, it can't just be "I hate the ending" or "hold the line." You'll have to keep repeating your simple, bullet-pointed list of complaints. Groups like the IRA don't repeat long treatises (as I've been seeing on the boards) on their complaints. Nobody will read that. Keep it simple and keep it consistent.

I mean, why complain about it? "hold the line" is overly dramatic in my opinion, why bother with saying that? Why not just say "Don't change your mind?"

Because being dramatic is fun! Haha, beyond that, though, it shows that we don't hate the ME universe (considering the quote is a reference to Kirahee). And "Hold the line" sounds a hell of a lot better than other alternative phrases.

[starscreamerx31]

Im commander sheppard and this is my favorite charity on the citadel

[Crusina]

JerkyJohnny14 wrote...

Crusina, we use statement like "hold the line" because most people here can relate to it. We are not trying be dramatic, just trying to show support for a better ending and why we are dissatisfied with BW.

Oh, okay.

I mean, I like the line and all but I have an image of an old dude in a chair with doritos typing  "hold the line"


To be honest though, I'm not very good with understanding these things sorry,.

Modifié par Crusina, 18 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[ArmyKnifeX]

Crusina wrote...

JerkyJohnny14 wrote...

Crusina, we use statement like "hold the line" because most people here can relate to it. We are not trying be dramatic, just trying to show support for a better ending and why we are dissatisfied with BW.

Oh, okay.

I mean, I like the line and all but I have an image of an old dude in a chair with doritos typing  "hold the line"


To be honest though, I'm not very good with understanding these things sorry, I just think its dumb to be honest.

*edit

Thats just my opinion though, I don't think people are dumb for using it...

Not at all a problem to be honest, and it shows a lot of integrity

Beyond that I'm glad we can help you understand. If you didn't come here asking, you wouldn't have gained any understanding at all! So I'm glad we can help explain things for you

[starscreamerx31]

Im commander sheppard and this is my favorite charity on the citadel

[punkenjunki3]

Im in. Holding the line.

Eitherway im not playing the games now, i set my weekend away from work to play but i got to the endings on friday evening and yeah... At least ill be ahead come monday.....

[Crusina]

Well thanks I guess.

My early education wasn't steller, and english isn't my first language, (Grew up during the Bosnian war, ask anyone who fun that was for any woman) so a lot of people think I'm dumb because I don't understand obvious concepts.

I'm not stupid, just a bit blunt, and literal in my personality.

*edit

Sorry derailing your thread.


Mass Effect. Ending. Kirrahe

back on topic?

Modifié par Crusina, 18 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[JerkyJohnny14]

Crusina wrote...

JerkyJohnny14 wrote...

Crusina, we use statement like "hold the line" because most people here can relate to it. We are not trying be dramatic, just trying to show support for a better ending and why we are dissatisfied with BW.

Oh, okay.

I mean, I like the line and all but I have an image of an old dude in a chair with doritos typing  "hold the line"


To be honest though, I'm not very good with understanding these things sorry,.

No problem. But I do have a bag of Doritos, just give me time to find a wheelchair.......

[Zopane]

Holding the line.

Should we have links for the donation and the Facebook page?

[kent80082006]

I agree with everything except this: The game's ending fails to meet what we were promised as consumers. This is just too far

[ArmyKnifeX]

Zopane wrote...

Holding the line.

Should we have links for the donation and the Facebook page?

Hmm maybe. Though personally I think that would belong in a "Link conglomeration thread" that has all the necessary links for newcomers and oldies alike. A "link kit" if you will.

[JerkyJohnny14]

[quote]Zopane wrote...

Holding the line.

Should we have links for the donation and the Facebook [quote]

I think so.

Modifié par JerkyJohnny14, 18 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[Dracowulf]

Very eloquently said, soldier.

As for me and my house - we will hold the line!
Keelah se'lai!

[ArmyKnifeX]

Crusina wrote...

Well thanks I guess.

My early education wasn't steller, and english isn't my first language, (Grew up during the Bosnian war, ask anyone who fun that was for any woman) so a lot of people think I'm dumb because I don't understand obvious concepts.

I'm not stupid, just a bit blunt, and literal in my personality.

*edit

Sorry derailing your thread.


Mass Effect. Ending. Kirrahe

back on topic?

I'm absolutely saddened to hear you grew up during the Bosnian war. You have my support and condolences as much as possible. My heart really goes out to you! I know a little bit about some of the things that were done... it's terrible.

The thread wasn't derailed at all. You gave us the opportunity to voice the specifics of the mission statement, and for that I have to thank you

Also I honestly didn't know English wasn't your first language >.>

Modifié par ArmyKnifeX, 18 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[JerkyJohnny14]

kent80082006 wrote...

I agree with everything except this: The game's ending fails to meet what we were promised as consumers. This is just too far

Early on BW promised a multitude of endings where choices did matter. This is not the case for the ME3 ending.

[JerkyJohnny14]

Dracowulf wrote...

Very eloquently said, soldier.

As for me and my house - we will hold the line!
Keelah se'lai!

Great we have an entire house. 3 bedroom or four, lol.

[Verit]

I think some improvements can be made to the mission statement, I know it's meant to be brief but there needs to be a bit more information.

ArmyKnifeX wrote...
The game's ending fails to meet what we were promised as consumers.

What were we promised? Elaborate on that, mention that we were promised a wider variety of possible outcomes, based on our decisions throughout the three games.

ArmyKnifeX wrote...
The game's ending fails to meet our expectations as fans

What expectations? See above.

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

• We have jobs, families, responsibilities. We dedicate our time to this cause because we genuinely care about Mass Effect and its story.

• We want to see a product that we, as human beings, as consumers, as fans, and as players can be proud of.

These don't need to be separate statements, they're one and the same, just add the last sentence to the previous one.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 18 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[ArmyKnifeX]

kent80082006 wrote...

I agree with everything except this: The game's ending fails to meet what we were promised as consumers. This is just too far

Casey Hudson and others released some very specific statements about what the ending would not be like. They turned out to be lies. So as consumers, that's false advertising.

[The Lightspeaker]

"You all know the mission, and what is at stake.

I have come to trust each of you with my life -- but I have also heard murmurs of discontent. I share your concerns.

We are trained for gaming; we would be legends, but the records are sealed. Glory in battle is not our way.

Think of our heroes; Wrex, who embodied the never give up and never surrender philosophy. Or Liara, fighting wars through information and influence.

These giants do not seem to give us solace here, but they are not all that we are.

Before the network, there was the fleet. Before diplomacy, there were soldiers!

Our influence stopped Sovereign, but before that we held the line!

Our influence stopped Harbinger, but before that, we held the line!

Our influence will save Mass Effect; in the battle today, we will hold the line!"

Courtesy of Major Kirrahe. Rather clumsily paraphrased by me, and I'm still not sure what to do with the fourth line from the end but even so...

[Ranicus56]

HOLD THE LINE!!!

[kent80082006]

JerkyJohnny14 wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

I agree with everything except this: The game's ending fails to meet what we were promised as consumers. This is just too far

Early on BW promised a multitude of endings where choices did matter. This is not the case for the ME3 ending.

Even if it's true, frankly I find it quite inappropriate to bring up the "I'm the customer I'm always right" attitude. When you use the word "customer", it's about money and rights, that's the exact opposite of what we're asking for.

[Kulthar Drax]

I agree with this mission statement, but perhaps there ought to be some website somewhere that we can collect and detail a more thorough breakdown of grievances that can be linked to via these forums? Also, somewhere that updates can be posted in news articles on the main page for fans to check regularly that won't get swamped under a barrage of new topics, especially if for whatever reason their PR guys decide to insist on trying to shut down outlets and topics here to block everyone's attempts at organising (it'd probably be a bad move, but it might be attempted on the offchance it'd destroy our cohesiveness) on these forums.

[JerkyJohnny14]

Knife, some people have valid points. Are there any valid sources that we can use to add support to the grievances?