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#26
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I wish i had seen some of the conversations. They just acted like robots when i was around...

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MugenJustice wrote...

JoeLaTurkeyII wrote...

^ I wouldn't call hugging "doing it" exactly. And I'm not sure how far they'd have gone with Adams and Tali above, listening.


I'm sure the Tantalus drive core is loud enough to cover up any scandalous noises.  ;)  I mean come on, Shepard and Miranda did the deed on the same floor!  Just yards away from Tali's station.  Haha...


In other news, still not triggering any banter between Gabby and Ken.  



I found on my one run that when I approached them from behind (right entry) silence but when I approached them from Tali's side (left entry) they spoke. Not sure if that is it but just an observation I made.

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To my great sadness and embarrassment, it looks like there is a bug here that got introduced just before ship. It looks like the test for "is it time for ambient dialog in engineering" accidentally got switched to "are you good friends with Ashley". How did this bug happen? I have no idea, and need to do some detective work. This doesn't just block Ken and Gabby banter, but I think this blocks some Tali and Garrus banter in engineering too. As it stands now to see that banter, I believe you'll need to get Ashley in your party and take her on missions and/or give Ashley lots of attention by speaking to her and giving her the gift in the hospital. If you have Kaidan in your game, obviously this can't be done, and that sucks.

Though the fix is easy, the difficult part is getting the fix into a patch of some sort. Getting content fixes into patches is much harder than you'd think. It's a giant process. I'll try to get that fix through, but sadly, the odds of getting this type of fix into a patch is very low. It just kills me that so many of the people who care about Ken and Gabby (those of you reading this forum) didn't get to see that content. I tested the heck out of it too for weeks before ship. You just don't now how sorry I am.

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Dusty Everman wrote...

To my great sadness and embarrassment, it looks like there is a bug here that got introduced just before ship. It looks like the test for "is it time for ambient dialog in engineering" accidentally got switched to "are you good friends with Ashley". How did this bug happen? I have no idea, and need to do some detective work. This doesn't just block Ken and Gabby banter, but I think this blocks some Tali and Garrus banter in engineering too. As it stands now to see that banter, I believe you'll need to get Ashley in your party and take her on missions and/or give Ashley lots of attention by speaking to her and giving her the gift in the hospital. If you have Kaidan in your game, obviously this can't be done, and that sucks.

Though the fix is easy, the difficult part is getting the fix into a patch of some sort. Getting content fixes into patches is much harder than you'd think. It's a giant process. I'll try to get that fix through, but sadly, the odds of getting this type of fix into a patch is very low. It just kills me that so many of the people who care about Ken and Gabby (those of you reading this forum) didn't get to see that content. I tested the heck out of it too for weeks before ship. You just don't now how sorry I am.


Honestly, this is one of the smaller bugs, and the cool part is you already know a way around it. I was already planning on dragging Ashley along for my second playthrough anyways, so this'll be a fun little addition.

Just curious, do you know of any other hard-to-get dialogue via bug or other modifiers (it seems the "Are you friendly with x" really got up-played in ME3) is just lying around (that you're allowed to talk about, of course).

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Dusty Everman wrote...

To my great sadness and embarrassment, it looks like there is a bug here that got introduced just before ship. It looks like the test for "is it time for ambient dialog in engineering" accidentally got switched to "are you good friends with Ashley". How did this bug happen? I have no idea, and need to do some detective work. This doesn't just block Ken and Gabby banter, but I think this blocks some Tali and Garrus banter in engineering too. As it stands now to see that banter, I believe you'll need to get Ashley in your party and take her on missions and/or give Ashley lots of attention by speaking to her and giving her the gift in the hospital. If you have Kaidan in your game, obviously this can't be done, and that sucks.

Though the fix is easy, the difficult part is getting the fix into a patch of some sort. Getting content fixes into patches is much harder than you'd think. It's a giant process. I'll try to get that fix through, but sadly, the odds of getting this type of fix into a patch is very low. It just kills me that so many of the people who care about Ken and Gabby (those of you reading this forum) didn't get to see that content. I tested the heck out of it too for weeks before ship. You just don't now how sorry I am.


/pat

There there, we forgive you. 

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JoeLaTurkeyII wrote...

Jake Boone wrote...

JoeLaTurkeyII wrote...

Here's the romance scene


...and the longest fanfiction for these two ^_^

Speaking of that fanfiction, when can we expect an update? Please.


Later on today, you're in luck  :wizard:

As a thank you, I will create an account and review, since I know you love those

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Dusty Everman wrote...

Though the fix is easy, the difficult part is getting the fix into a patch of some sort. Getting content fixes into patches is much harder than you'd think. It's a giant process. I'll try to get that fix through, but sadly, the odds of getting this type of fix into a patch is very low.

Fight the good fight!

As long as you try, there's nothing to be sorry for. If it happens, it happens. If not, then it won't have been for lack of effort.

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Thanks for the reply, Dusty. Hopefully we'll be able to see their lines in one of the upcoming patches. If it doesn't make it into a patch, would you mind posting the dialogue so we could see it?

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Eterna5 wrote...

Dusty Everman wrote...

To my great sadness and embarrassment, it looks like there is a bug here that got introduced just before ship. It looks like the test for "is it time for ambient dialog in engineering" accidentally got switched to "are you good friends with Ashley". How did this bug happen? I have no idea, and need to do some detective work. This doesn't just block Ken and Gabby banter, but I think this blocks some Tali and Garrus banter in engineering too. As it stands now to see that banter, I believe you'll need to get Ashley in your party and take her on missions and/or give Ashley lots of attention by speaking to her and giving her the gift in the hospital. If you have Kaidan in your game, obviously this can't be done, and that sucks.

Though the fix is easy, the difficult part is getting the fix into a patch of some sort. Getting content fixes into patches is much harder than you'd think. It's a giant process. I'll try to get that fix through, but sadly, the odds of getting this type of fix into a patch is very low. It just kills me that so many of the people who care about Ken and Gabby (those of you reading this forum) didn't get to see that content. I tested the heck out of it too for weeks before ship. You just don't now how sorry I am.


/pat

There there, we forgive you. 

That. :lol:

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Dusty Everman wrote...

To my great sadness and embarrassment, it looks like there is a bug here that got introduced just before ship. It looks like the test for "is it time for ambient dialog in engineering" accidentally got switched to "are you good friends with Ashley". How did this bug happen? I have no idea, and need to do some detective work. This doesn't just block Ken and Gabby banter, but I think this blocks some Tali and Garrus banter in engineering too. As it stands now to see that banter, I believe you'll need to get Ashley in your party and take her on missions and/or give Ashley lots of attention by speaking to her and giving her the gift in the hospital. If you have Kaidan in your game, obviously this can't be done, and that sucks.

Though the fix is easy, the difficult part is getting the fix into a patch of some sort. Getting content fixes into patches is much harder than you'd think. It's a giant process. I'll try to get that fix through, but sadly, the odds of getting this type of fix into a patch is very low. It just kills me that so many of the people who care about Ken and Gabby (those of you reading this forum) didn't get to see that content. I tested the heck out of it too for weeks before ship. You just don't now how sorry I am.


Aw, since I kept Kaidan :wub: I now know why I could not get this to trigger, poor Gabby and Ken, once I knew it was possible...

Thank you for clarifying this, though.  Here's hoping for that fix; your dedication is appreciated. <3

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thanks for letting us know. I actually didnt have a problem with this since i had the appropriate conditions to generate the conversation. Also to note they dont really say anything until later in the game like after the attack on the citadel i believe

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retailavenger85 wrote...

 Hey, I heard that you can convice Ken and Gabby to get together at the end of the game, but I've takled to them at every availible moment, and have never gotten that option. I only get, "Commander." and "The board is green." 
What am I doing wrong?
I love those two, and have wanted them to get together since I first met them in ME2. 


Afaik it was intended to be in game but got cut at some point. Same for other stuff that was mentioned in the leaked files (even in the newest one). It simply got cut in the end.


Oops. Missed what Dusty said ...


By the way, Dusty, is Ashley's content bugged too?

Modifié par CptData, 19 mars 2012 - 12:48 .


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So to trigger our lovely engineers together... I need to be nice to Ashley throughout the game? I hope this does not mean that Shep has to romance Ashley.. If not I'm screwed - the only playthrough I have Ash alive is with a femShep Sentinel :(

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Priisus wrote...

So to trigger our lovely engineers together... I need to be nice to Ashley throughout the game? I hope this does not mean that Shep has to romance Ashley.. If not I'm screwed - the only playthrough I have Ash alive is with a femShep Sentinel :(


I couldn't get Gabby & Ken together - despite being nice to Ash and get her back ASAP.

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avatar2396 wrote...

thanks for letting us know. I actually didnt have a problem with this since i had the appropriate conditions to generate the conversation. Also to note they dont really say anything until later in the game like after the attack on the citadel i believe


Actually, they are SUPPOSED to banter much earlier and through out the game.  The reason you only saw it later was that you can only buddy up to Ashley after she joins the Normandy, and the bug connected a check to Ashley for who-knows-why.

Priisus wrote...

So to trigger our lovely engineers
together... I need to be nice to Ashley throughout the game? I hope this
does not mean that Shep has to romance Ashley.. If not I'm screwed -
the only playthrough I have Ash alive is with a femShep Sentinel
:(


You don't need to romance Ashley, but you do need to speak with her a bunch. However, romancing her definitely enables the banter. Basically the erroneous check is "Is Ashley a good friend?" and your true love is automatically considered to be a close friend.

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CptData wrote...

By the way, Dusty, is Ashley's content bugged too?


As far as I know, Ashley's content is not bugged.  Are you seeing something wrong?

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Dusty Everman wrote...

CptData wrote...

By the way, Dusty, is Ashley's content bugged too?


As far as I know, Ashley's content is not bugged.  Are you seeing something wrong?


Yep. Lack of several scenes ;)
Think there is at least one dialogue mission with Shepard/Ashley talking about her new hair (romanced Ashley).
Just kidding - think that scene got cut.

However, I believe there's one bug - or at least it looks like one: Ashley's generic banter is the same regardless if romanced or not. I just wonder if that's intended, since Ashley's generic banter does feel quite professional and cold - why? Also she's not interacting with anyone in the crew while Kaidan does so.
So either that's a bug or lack of content.

Lets say, I find it's odd Ashley does not interact with ANYONE in the crew, neither Vega, Tali, Garrus, Liara nor anyone else. Also she's the only character (same for Kaidan I guess) not asking for a visit in Shepard's cabin, while Vega has it once, same for Traynor. Allers has two visits and I think Liara enters Shepard's cabin three times.

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Dusty Everman wrote...

As far as I know, Ashley's content is not bugged.  Are you seeing something wrong?

Hope you don't mind, but since you're already talking possible bugs in conversations with squadmates/Normandy crew, we were wondering if these were bugs or how you intended Kaidan's (and Ash too partially) conversations/romance to progress/get flagged?

1. Is it normal that we can find Kaidan on the Citadel and initiate his dinner (at Apollo's) conversation immediately after he comes back to Normandy DESPITE not getting an email from him yet that he wants to do this? Same with Ash, and a bit similar situation for Miranda, I never got an email from her to meet her in her apartment on Citadel yet she was there.
2. Is it normal that he (and Ash) disappears from the Citadel after the dinner at Apollo's scene? Because other squadmates still hang out after their "date" Citadel scenes
3. In one of his one-liners (Normandy ambients/Zaeed-style responses), he says "We should head for some snack, I know some place blah blah". Doesn't it refer to the dinner at Apollo's? Maybe it's suppoused to be a line in case you didn't read his email? But this line didn't even get activate for me till very late in the game (after Jacob's Cerberus mission), long after I already had dinner with him at Apollo's.

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Dusty Everman wrote...
Though the fix is easy, the difficult part is getting the fix into a patch of some sort. Getting content fixes into patches is much harder than you'd think. It's a giant process. I'll try to get that fix through, but sadly, the odds of getting this type of fix into a patch is very low. It just kills me that so many of the people who care about Ken and Gabby (those of you reading this forum) didn't get to see that content. I tested the heck out of it too for weeks before ship. You just don't now how sorry I am.

Is there any way we can help?

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CptData wrote...
 Allers has two visits

According to the Mass Effect wiki there are three interviews. The first is supposed to be after Tuchanka, but I never got that. I only had the Citadel and Rannoch interviews.

One possible bug for me is that I never found Tali in the Presidium. She showed on the map, but I didn't see her anywhere

Modifié par Serenity84, 19 mars 2012 - 03:40 .


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Serenity84 wrote...

CptData wrote...
 Allers has two visits

According to the Mass Effect wiki there are three interviews. The first is supposed to be after Tuchanka, but I never got that. I only had the Citadel and Rannoch interviews.

One possible bug for me is that I never found Tali in the Presidium. She showed on the map, but I didn't see her anywhere


She's there, argueing with a Turian afaik. She's near the market.

And I had only two visits too. The first one I had with Allers was the one when she tried to get into Shepard's pants. I turned her down, of course.

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For what it's worth, I've actually gotten at least some of that banter to trigger before and I haven't really started an import where I saved Ashley instead of Kaidan. So maybe the bug doesn't always trigger? I got the bit about Ken wanting to help fight, not being able to shoot worth a crap, and wishing he could shoot well enough to help fight.

Regardless - thank you for letting us know about the bug and one possible way around it. It may not seem like much to some people, but they're such awesome characters (some of my favourites from ME2) it's nice to know that they weren't completely forgotten.

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Oh, and here I taught maybe FemShep should have a thing or two with Ken, the guy is so.. hungry you know.

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Good to know the bug is being looked at.

Ashley was only alive in 2 playthroughs. I'd rather have Kaidan around, so I hope this does actually get fixed.

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Dusty Everman wrote...
Great sadness and embarrassment: it looks like there is a bug here...

Fixed