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[vortex2000]

HermanGunther wrote...

That message was released for this very reason. WE ARE NOW A THREAT. You can't ignore enemies which are giving you damage. If we continue this preasure their bottom line (financial) will take such a hit that they will be forced to listen. Everything thus far has been delaying tactics to try and wait out the fan base. Keep up the preasure and they will fold. If we were not causing ANY damage at all then this press release would not have been delivered at all.

I suppose that is a possibilty, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I would hazard a guess that the bulk of the revenue to be made from Mass Effect 3 has already been made. It seems to me that if continued fan criticism, and its effect on things like Amazon user reviews, were a genuine financial threat (in terms of future sales, DLC etc), then a far more definitive statement would have been made to quell the s**tstorm. Instead, Hudson's statement consists of typical PR whitewashing and says basically nothing substantive, thereby allowing the "damage" to continue.

[Stealth3]

If you want a better ending, you need to let go of Bioware and forget about it. Just hope the next company learns from Bioware's mistakes. By supporting them and buying their **** dlcs, your only asking for them to continue doing what they do.....which is coming up with **** endings that make no sense and ruin the whole series.

Modifié par Stealth3, 18 mars 2012 - 03:05 .

[DoctorEss]

Only one word can really be applied to this dev now. "Hubris".

[Selor Kiith]

Shinobu wrote...
I'm sorry you are frustrated. We all are. However, if you give up, if you move on, you will be doing exactly what Mr. Hudson's post is calculated to make you do.

They want this to blow over. They want us to become discouraged and tired and most of all they want us to give up. Then they can go back to touting their awesome reviews (which are actually warranted for the first 97% of the game) and pull new buyers in without this irritating "fan movement" ruining the party.

However, if we DON'T go away, if we refuse to be silenced, eventually they will have to take action. And if that action includes making an ending that befits this great franchise, won't the effort be worth it?

Read this before you go:
http://social.biowar.../index/10084349
It details the strategy used by corporations to deflect consumer criticism. It may give you the strength to continue this fight.

I hope you don't give up, but if you do, go in peace, brother.

I believe this can still turn out well if we just hang on. Hold the line.

Can't repeat it often enough... especially the provided link
Don't give up... don't give in... 

Victory was never sold on a silver plate... it will take a while... it will make us tired... but if we play our cards right, stay civil and stay polite, it might have an effect and we might see a positive outcome for ALL Sides on this matter...
It does need (at least) additional endings...
It does need the closure the trilogy deserves...
Nothing less...

As so often repeated, Kirrahe would be proud...
Hold the Line!

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

WE FIGHT OR MASS EFFECT DIES!!! THAT'S THE PLAN!!!

[vortex2000]

Stealth3 wrote...

If you want a better ending, you need to let go of Bioware and forget about it. Just hope the next company learns from Bioware's mistakes. By supporting them and buying their **** dlcs, your only asking for them to continue doing what they do.....which is coming up with **** endings that make no sense and ruin the whole series.

I agree completely. We need to think sensibly and long-term. The only way to affect real change within the gaming industry is to learn from this debacle and vote with our wallets in the future. At least, that's how I feel.

[Shinobu]

vortex2000 wrote...

HermanGunther wrote...

That message was released for this very reason. WE ARE NOW A THREAT. You can't ignore enemies which are giving you damage. If we continue this preasure their bottom line (financial) will take such a hit that they will be forced to listen. Everything thus far has been delaying tactics to try and wait out the fan base. Keep up the preasure and they will fold. If we were not causing ANY damage at all then this press release would not have been delivered at all.

I suppose that is a possibilty, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I would hazard a guess that the bulk of the revenue to be made from Mass Effect 3 has already been made. It seems to me that if continued fan criticism, and its effect on things like Amazon user reviews, were a genuine financial threat (in terms of future sales, DLC etc), then a far more definitive statement would have been made to quell the s**tstorm. Instead, Hudson's statement consists of typical PR whitewashing and says basically nothing substantive, thereby allowing the "damage" to continue.

Corporations can't move that quickly. I'm sure it took them almost a week to realize there was a problem at all. It's only been 11 days since launch in the US and 2 days since launch in Asia. I know that it seems like forever, but they can't just come out right now and promise to fix it. They have to figure out how much a fix will cost and where they'll get the money to develop it. Then they have to start figuring out logistics of voice actor contracts, etc.

Be patient. Be strong. Don't give up. Don't give in.

[mass_zotz]

I am HOLDING THE LINE!!!

[Shinobu]

vortex2000 wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

If you want a better ending, you need to let go of Bioware and forget about it. Just hope the next company learns from Bioware's mistakes. By supporting them and buying their **** dlcs, your only asking for them to continue doing what they do.....which is coming up with **** endings that make no sense and ruin the whole series.

I agree completely. We need to think sensibly and long-term. The only way to affect real change within the gaming industry is to learn from this debacle and vote with our wallets in the future. At least, that's how I feel.

The problem for me is that I don't want a better ending for some future game. I want a better ending for THIS game. This franchise is terrific and to see it go out like this is just... tragic.

[vortex2000]

Shinobu wrote...

vortex2000 wrote...

HermanGunther wrote...

That message was released for this very reason. WE ARE NOW A THREAT. You can't ignore enemies which are giving you damage. If we continue this preasure their bottom line (financial) will take such a hit that they will be forced to listen. Everything thus far has been delaying tactics to try and wait out the fan base. Keep up the preasure and they will fold. If we were not causing ANY damage at all then this press release would not have been delivered at all.

I suppose that is a possibilty, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I would hazard a guess that the bulk of the revenue to be made from Mass Effect 3 has already been made. It seems to me that if continued fan criticism, and its effect on things like Amazon user reviews, were a genuine financial threat (in terms of future sales, DLC etc), then a far more definitive statement would have been made to quell the s**tstorm. Instead, Hudson's statement consists of typical PR whitewashing and says basically nothing substantive, thereby allowing the "damage" to continue.

Corporations can't move that quickly. I'm sure it took them almost a week to realize there was a problem at all. It's only been 11 days since launch in the US and 2 days since launch in Asia. I know that it seems like forever, but they can't just come out right now and promise to fix it. They have to figure out how much a fix will cost and where they'll get the money to develop it. Then they have to start figuring out logistics of voice actor contracts, etc.

Be patient. Be strong. Don't give up. Don't give in.

This kinda goes back to my original post, however. Where is the incentive to invest money in developing a new ending? At the end of the day, EA/BioWare's primary concern are their shareholders, and my interpretation of the statements that have been made thus far is that the numbers simply don't add up (particularly if it were to be released as a free update - charging for it would be a PR disaster IMHO). I genuinely think this will damage them long-term, but they either don't agree or aren't thinking that far ahead.

[parico]

[quote]vortex2000 wrote...

[quote]Stealth3 wrote...

If you want a better ending, you need to let go of Bioware and forget about it. Just hope the next company learns from Bioware's mistakes. By supporting them and buying their **** dlcs, your only asking for them to continue doing what they do.....which is coming up with **** endings that make no sense and ruin the whole series. [/quote]

I agree completely. We need to think sensibly and long-term. The only way to affect real change within the gaming industry is to learn from this debacle and vote with our wallets in the future. At least, that's how I feel.

I agree.  The best thing a consumer can do is stop buying from them so they go belly up. Stop playing mutltiplayer don't buy any DLC for Mass Effect 3 and when they release another game don't buy it.  I know they wont get another penny from me.

[vortex2000]

Shinobu wrote...

vortex2000 wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

If you want a better ending, you need to let go of Bioware and forget about it. Just hope the next company learns from Bioware's mistakes. By supporting them and buying their **** dlcs, your only asking for them to continue doing what they do.....which is coming up with **** endings that make no sense and ruin the whole series.

I agree completely. We need to think sensibly and long-term. The only way to affect real change within the gaming industry is to learn from this debacle and vote with our wallets in the future. At least, that's how I feel.

The problem for me is that I don't want a better ending for some future game. I want a better ending for THIS game. This franchise is terrific and to see it go out like this is just... tragic.

I understand. For my part, I've gotten to the point where I honestly don't care about new endings - this whole debacle has left such a sour taste in my mouth that I just want nothing more to do with the game or BioWare. But for those of you who want a new ending for ME3, keep hanging on by all means - I just think you're ultimately going to be disappointed, and that makes me sad.

[corebit]

I'm pretty sure they will release an ending DLC, otherwise there isn't anything left to create more DLCs if you keep the current endings.

Maybe this was their plan all along, banking on player rage to force as many people to buy DLC. I know I would buy it begrudgingly just to get a decent closure for a series I followed faithfully for over six years.

Modifié par corebit, 18 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[GeneralYin]

vortex2000 wrote...

I understand. For my part, I've gotten to the point where I honestly don't care about new endings - this whole debacle has left such a sour taste in my mouth that I just want nothing more to do with the game or BioWare. But for those of you who want a new ending for ME3, keep hanging on by all means - I just think you're ultimately going to be disappointed, and that makes me sad.

Will do. Take a rest mate. I will keep up the fight for the sake of your lost hope. Even if we may be disappointed, even if the ending is bleak, even if there is little hope, we must press on and hold the line. Just like Shepard showed us. 

After all, we have nothing to lose from trying right?

[DeinonSlayer]

People who decide to stop buying Bioware games in the future altogether are sending a message which is no less clear than those of us who are refusing to buy Bioware products until this issue is resolved. It's hitting them in the pocketbook either way, and though it would be suicide to admit it publicly, they know why this is happening. They're getting the message. They opened a thread in the Story and Campaign forum specifically asking for suggestions from the fanbase on what they ought to change. It looks to have been partially overrun by Indoctrination Theory parrots and others who want to rewrite the entire story, or half of the mechanics of the game.

The fact remains: this the opportunity we've been waiting for. They're listening. We just need to present them with a coherent message, asking for reasonable, feasible changes.

Hold the line.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[TheChosen0ne]

The topic creator is indoctrinated! Don't let him/her crush your spirit! We gotta hold the line against Bioware because they are like the Reapers who wants to crush everyone's spirits then harvest us but in Bioware's/EA's case, they want to harvest our money.

Modifié par TheChosen0ne, 18 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[Ronin1325]

HermanGunther wrote...

Ronin1325
LOL. Casey Hudson refuses to think of the children.

Oh, Ouch.

[idunhavaname]

Uhh what did you read. He actually didn't take sides in his comment or answered anything.

He stated... his team worked hard on ME3 and that they would continue to release ME3 content. And importantly that they're listening to the fans.

[alienatedflea]

vortex2000 wrote...

Please excuse the selfish thread, but it's a final act of cartharsis before I move on from this whole mess.

The statement from Casey Hudson yesterday is exactly the kind of condascending whitewash I was expecting. Here is what I took away from it (your mileage may vary):

- We're happy with what we did, and take no responsibility for the fact that we might have dropped the ball.
- Publications and gaming sites gave ME3 great reviews, so STFU.
- We'll keep supporting the game throughout the year by making you pay for DLC which continues Commander Shepard's adventures (and based on previous comments, the intention is for this DLC to take place before the endgame).

Face it people - it's over. Let's not be naive. The endings are what they are - they're not gonna change, not in any substantial way. It simply doesn't make any business sense, and at the end of the day, money talks and bull***t walks. I know there are those of you who feel that the long-term repercussions of not addressing the ending debacle outweigh any short-term losses, but EA/BioWare have obviously tossed this around and decided - "no". As Hudson says in his statement, as far as they're concerned, disappointment with the endings is confined to "some of our most passionate fans."

I don't say any of this to be negative for the sake of it. It's just that, reading through the forums, I still see so many people "holding the line" and clinging to some slither of hope that the endings will be revised. And I know (at least, I'm thoroughly convinced) that it's just not going to happen. Believe me, I was genuinely hoping that BioWare would step up and do something out-of-the-ordinary to address this, but Hudson's statement is the final nail in the coffin for me. Take heart in the fact that we've currently raised in excess of $60K for charity (which, unsurprisingly, Hudson doesn't even acknowledge in his statement), and move on.

For my own part, I have uninstalled ME1/2/3 from my PC, and have absolutely no intention of purchasing any future DLC, even if it addresses the endings (which it won't). I also have absolutely no intention of buying another product from BioWare ever again. My N7 Collector's Edition has been shoved to the back of a drawer, where it will stay.

I'm not a complete pessimist. I've made a backup of my saved games. But in every other respect, I'm done with BioWare and with this game. It's just such a massive shame that it had to end like this.

If you are done, then why did you feel the need to post this? just sell the game and move on...you're making a big deal about nothing.  No game is worth all this arguing and emotions...some people are just too invested in games...

[Ronin1325]

vortex2000 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

vortex2000 wrote...

HermanGunther wrote...

That message was released for this very reason. WE ARE NOW A THREAT. You can't ignore enemies which are giving you damage. If we continue this preasure their bottom line (financial) will take such a hit that they will be forced to listen. Everything thus far has been delaying tactics to try and wait out the fan base. Keep up the preasure and they will fold. If we were not causing ANY damage at all then this press release would not have been delivered at all.

I suppose that is a possibilty, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I would hazard a guess that the bulk of the revenue to be made from Mass Effect 3 has already been made. It seems to me that if continued fan criticism, and its effect on things like Amazon user reviews, were a genuine financial threat (in terms of future sales, DLC etc), then a far more definitive statement would have been made to quell the s**tstorm. Instead, Hudson's statement consists of typical PR whitewashing and says basically nothing substantive, thereby allowing the "damage" to continue.

Corporations can't move that quickly. I'm sure it took them almost a week to realize there was a problem at all. It's only been 11 days since launch in the US and 2 days since launch in Asia. I know that it seems like forever, but they can't just come out right now and promise to fix it. They have to figure out how much a fix will cost and where they'll get the money to develop it. Then they have to start figuring out logistics of voice actor contracts, etc.

Be patient. Be strong. Don't give up. Don't give in.

This kinda goes back to my original post, however. Where is the incentive to invest money in developing a new ending? At the end of the day, EA/BioWare's primary concern are their shareholders, and my interpretation of the statements that have been made thus far is that the numbers simply don't add up (particularly if it were to be released as a free update - charging for it would be a PR disaster IMHO). I genuinely think this will damage them long-term, but they either don't agree or aren't thinking that far ahead.

Perhaps this is too altruistic for a corporation to ever conceive of it, but if they released a free ending DLC *and* matched the Child's Play donation-  http://retakemasseff...ct-childs-play  at that point, they would turn all this lead into pure gold. Every. Bit. Unlikely, I know, corporations are notoriously short-sighted.

[RaptorZefier]

Okay I gotta ask, when you decided to post this thread, OP, you had to have known you were going to get pages upon pages of "HOLD THE LINE" yeah?

[vortex2000]

alienatedflea wrote...

vortex2000 wrote...

Please excuse the selfish thread, but it's a final act of cartharsis before I move on from this whole mess.

The statement from Casey Hudson yesterday is exactly the kind of condascending whitewash I was expecting. Here is what I took away from it (your mileage may vary):

- We're happy with what we did, and take no responsibility for the fact that we might have dropped the ball.
- Publications and gaming sites gave ME3 great reviews, so STFU.
- We'll keep supporting the game throughout the year by making you pay for DLC which continues Commander Shepard's adventures (and based on previous comments, the intention is for this DLC to take place before the endgame).

Face it people - it's over. Let's not be naive. The endings are what they are - they're not gonna change, not in any substantial way. It simply doesn't make any business sense, and at the end of the day, money talks and bull***t walks. I know there are those of you who feel that the long-term repercussions of not addressing the ending debacle outweigh any short-term losses, but EA/BioWare have obviously tossed this around and decided - "no". As Hudson says in his statement, as far as they're concerned, disappointment with the endings is confined to "some of our most passionate fans."

I don't say any of this to be negative for the sake of it. It's just that, reading through the forums, I still see so many people "holding the line" and clinging to some slither of hope that the endings will be revised. And I know (at least, I'm thoroughly convinced) that it's just not going to happen. Believe me, I was genuinely hoping that BioWare would step up and do something out-of-the-ordinary to address this, but Hudson's statement is the final nail in the coffin for me. Take heart in the fact that we've currently raised in excess of $60K for charity (which, unsurprisingly, Hudson doesn't even acknowledge in his statement), and move on.

For my own part, I have uninstalled ME1/2/3 from my PC, and have absolutely no intention of purchasing any future DLC, even if it addresses the endings (which it won't). I also have absolutely no intention of buying another product from BioWare ever again. My N7 Collector's Edition has been shoved to the back of a drawer, where it will stay.

I'm not a complete pessimist. I've made a backup of my saved games. But in every other respect, I'm done with BioWare and with this game. It's just such a massive shame that it had to end like this.

If you are done, then why did you feel the need to post this? just sell the game and move on...you're making a big deal about nothing.  No game is worth all this arguing and emotions...some people are just too invested in games...

Re-read the first sentence.