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[ramnozack]

WE fight or we DIE! HOLD THE LINE!!!!

[mastergpo]

HOLD THE LINE !

[MidnightTale]

We. Will. Hold. The. Line.

To Victory we march.

[Rockworm503]

 I don't like copy and pasting my posts so this will be the last time I say it.
I posted this on a thread that got locked right after.
The truth is that Bioware will never admit to the endings not being good.

The more I think about its absurd to expect them to.
Your asking a company to admit their product is flawed.
Does Coke ever admit they made a bad tasting drink?
Does Frito-lay admit half the bag is just air?
Would George Lucas ever admit to the Prequal Trilogy sucking?
Of course not their not going to risk future sales just to appease the ones who already bought the product.
As much as it pains me to say it ME3 is what we got and there's nothing to be done about it.

I for one have moved on and have learned to accept this disapointment.
I can go on and on about my money never going towards another Bioware game forever but the truth is I am no longer the target audience anymore anyway.  They felt losing us was worth gaining them.

[NukeZen]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

kamikazen wrote...

Ok, really, i love you all. Is like you are really in the trench ready to everithing, holding the line... is touching.
Im out of the trench cause i like the 3 games as they are, but im pretty sure of one thing, soon or later bioware will give you what you want, what you desire.

GET BACK TO YOUR POST SOLDIER!
WE NEED YOU! I NEED YOU!
YOU'RE ONE HELL OF A SOLDIER!
GET. UP.

-Shepard, ME3 Never forget! He taught us how to hold the line.

There are various reason to rejoin us.
- Underhanded DLC tactics.
- Origin
- Being part of something greater than yourself.

HOLD. THE. LINE.

oh men... what can i say... i like the game as it is... but the hell, why not, why not. You know, im pretty good at cooking, and this battle seems to be long, very long, so i presume you need somone to feed you after every day of battle. Im here sir.

PS: im from italy, consider me like a mercenary

[Hebrew42hammer]

If you dont agree with the movement, either start your own anti anti ME ending movement, or just ignore it. You cant really stop how the movement feels with how passionate people are, and if you think it wont do any good, just let it die. However, upset people can really do almost anything they want as long as its civil.

Im ok with the endings (not happy), but I like watching the movement. It takes a first to change how the industry works, this movement might just make gaming history.

[heart again]

vortex2000 wrote.... It's just such a massive shame that it had to end like this.

[Faust1979]

I'll never quit buying the Bioware games I want to play

[huyster1]

I'd like to hold the line like Shepard but does it even matter? I don't think Bioware cares about our line. They've already taken our money. Even if they release a dlc just to appease us, they'll just charge us up the wazoo and make more money. Is that what we're fighting for? A biggger payday for Bioware? And if that were to happen, they'll just say their screwed up ending worked so well that they suckered us into buying a dlc.

And this nonsensical statement from them looks to me like an attempt to rally support from the so called expert "critics." They're making us out to be the bad guys by saying critics gave them rave reviews. I wish I can be more optimistic but I have very little faith in this company right now. You can call me a pessimist i guess.

[Dickard]

Ghidorah14 wrote...

First Dragon Age, now Mass Effect.

What will they ruin next? 8D

And that's why I agree with the OP. After ruining Dragon Age and now Mass Effect, I'm done wasting money on Bioware games.

[Xilizhra]

If this movement fails, the only logical response is to do everything in our power to destroy Bioware's reputation forever. Of course, this may take a while to determine, but we should remember it. An example, one way or another, needs to be made to the rest of the industry.

[meisjoe]

I agree with you for the most part... but I'll be much more cautious before I get invested in another BioWare title. No more pre orders for this guy. <---------

[Faust1979]

Xilizhra wrote...

If this movement fails, the only logical response is to do everything in our power to destroy Bioware's reputation forever. Of course, this may take a while to determine, but we should remember it. An example, one way or another, needs to be made to the rest of the industry.

so because of two games you don't like they deserve to have their reputation tarnished? give me a break , just because some people didn't get the ending they made up in their heads isn't a reason to freak out

[Hebrew42hammer]

Xilizhra wrote...

If this movement fails, the only logical response is to do everything in our power to destroy Bioware's reputation forever. Of course, this may take a while to determine, but we should remember it. An example, one way or another, needs to be made to the rest of the industry.

I'd agree to that, if bioware wasnt composed of many development teams that have no ability to change what the other is doing. Im sure they give those teams their own creative development. Bioware has a pretty big field of awesome games, and I wouldnt want exclude a great game from my library due to another team's actions inside of Bioware. Maybe if they'd say "Made from the dev team of ME", then I would stay away. I have a feeling that statement wont ever be used to promote one of their games.

[Xilizhra]

so because of two games you don't like they deserve to have their reputation tarnished? give me a break , just because some people didn't get the ending they made up in their heads isn't a reason to freak out

One. I actually liked DA2. But this precedent must not be allowed to continue, and the philosophy that led to this must not be allowed to survive, no matter the cost. If anything positive would come out of this for Bioware, it would be repeated; this must not, no matter what, be allowed to stand.

I'd agree to that, if bioware wasnt composed of many development teams that have no ability to change what the other is doing. Im sure they give those teams their own creative development. Bioware has a pretty big field of awesome games, and I wouldnt want exclude a great game from my library due to another team's actions inside of Bioware. Maybe if they'd say "Made from the dev team of ME", then I would stay away. I have a feeling that statement wont ever be used to promote one of their games.

Then hope that they wash their hands of ME quickly. Otherwise the rest will be permanently tainted.

[Rockworm503]

Faust1979 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If this movement fails, the only logical response is to do everything in our power to destroy Bioware's reputation forever. Of course, this may take a while to determine, but we should remember it. An example, one way or another, needs to be made to the rest of the industry.

so because of two games you don't like they deserve to have their reputation tarnished? give me a break , just because some people didn't get the ending they made up in their heads isn't a reason to freak out

If not 2 how many?
If not now when?
You can say whatever you want to make yourself feel better about the game but we didn't make up endings in our head and are mad because they didn't make it exactly the way we wanted.
We want ending/s that make sense and deliver on their promises.
Its that simple.
I fully support the idea of ruining Bioware's reputation because their already doing it for us.  I'm not going to support a company I don't have any faith in and I'm going to tell people who would listen to do the same.

[TheSteelArcher]

If Bioware would directly acknowledge the issue and announce an ending fixing DLC rather than giving us statements that don't tell us anything we don't already know and special events like N7 Weekend (boycotting) then this would all be water under the bridge for most people. I just want the plot holes to be filled, greater ending variation (perfect ending is reasonably happy but incredibly hard to get) and the decisions we've made throughout the series to determine the conclusion to this amazing journey that we've all invested our time, emotion and money into. Bioware isn't obligated to do anything, but if they want to continue to be a successful business, it'd be in their best interest to comply with their fans that have stood by them and the Mass Effect series for five years.

Modifié par TheSteelArcher, 18 mars 2012 - 05:26 .

[Heather Cline]

I'm not going to let Bioware get away with this. So I'm boycotting all DLC and future games. I however will show my support to those trying to get an ending change for the game. DA2 though it was enjoyable was not a good game by any means. Rushed development cycle. All choices meant thing in the end. Buggy as hell and frankly the entire game used re-used dungeons. Again mileage varies on that game.

ME3 had auto dialogue which many people are not fans of. Buggy as hell animation sequences. FemShep running like a man yet again in ME3 like she did in ME2. Lack of optimization of the game with texture popping among other problems. Then there is the whole ending thing that is crap. So no we aren't going to let Bioware and subsequently EA get away with shoddy business practices and shoddy game development. They want people to buy their games then they should not be doing this to their fans because they will abandon the Bioware ship.

[Xilizhra]

They want people to buy their games then they should not be doing this to their fans because they will abandon the Bioware ship.

Preferably while setting it on fire.

[GodWood]

Faust1979 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
If this movement fails, the only logical response is to do everything in our power to destroy Bioware's reputation forever. Of course, this may take a while to determine, but we should remember it. An example, one way or another, needs to be made to the rest of the industry.

so because of two games you don't like they deserve to have their reputation tarnished? give me a break , just because some people didn't get the ending they made up in their heads isn't a reason to freak out

You see, ol Xil here doesn't see videogames as a medium for mature, adult story telling.

Rather, they are merely a juvenile power trip that's sole purpose is to gratify the player's ego and never, EVER are they to question the player's authority or make them actually feel the harshness of reality.

[Hebrew42hammer]

Out of all the game development companies, Bioware rates pretty high at listening to the fans. DA2 and ME3 both made by different developments teams who both made choices that too many were bad. If bioware here constructive criticism, they WILL make changes to future games. DA3 will be different then 2 (I actually think in a bad way) and a future game from the ME3 team WILL be different.

However, comments like "if bioware doesnt fix this Im gone" wont be taken to heart by bioware. If its not constructive, dont say it and hope your voice will be heard, because it wont.

Im not supporting what they did with ME3, however, Bioware bashing also wont get you anywhere. Take this as a lesson, dont pre-order from bioware if your upset and wait for reviews from people who have completed the game to avoid this. That to me is the best thing you can do. Because Bioware WILL continue to make awesome games and you will miss them.

[steve1701]

vortex2000 wrote...

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For my own part, I have uninstalled ME1/2/3 from my PC, and have absolutely no intention of purchasing any future DLC, even if it addresses the endings (which it won't). I also have absolutely no intention of buying another product from BioWare ever again. My N7 Collector's Edition has been shoved to the back of a drawer, where it will stay.

I'm not a complete pessimist. I've made a backup of my saved games. But in every other respect, I'm done with BioWare and with this game. It's just such a massive shame that it had to end like this.

This.

I'd like to voice my support for the OP because I too have moved on.  Except that I did it after DA2. It was painful.  I have a very large box full of Bioware games going back 14 years.  But after playing through DA2 and seeing the reaction to the outcry from certain higher ups at Bioware, I realized it was not the same company from the glory days of old. And, more importantly, I am not the demographic they are looking for.  Bioware had moved on, so to speak. 

I haven't bought anything Bioware since. I'm only here out of curiousity, because I thought I might give them another chance with Mass Effect 3.  (and because I liked ME2)   Sadly,  I'm not surprised by any of this. 

For those that choose to stay and hold the line... You have a chance to do some real good here. You can bet that other game development studios are watching and taking notes. This can only mean better respect for the gamer and better games for us all. 

And if it results in a DLC that adds more (better) endings, then wow, you've done what I believe to be impossible.

Cheers

[Ronin1325]

Faust1979 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If this movement fails, the only logical response is to do everything in our power to destroy Bioware's reputation forever. Of course, this may take a while to determine, but we should remember it. An example, one way or another, needs to be made to the rest of the industry.

so because of two games you don't like they deserve to have their reputation tarnished? give me a break , just because some people didn't get the ending they made up in their heads isn't a reason to freak out

No, the vast majority of us want the product that we bought & paid for. A customer has every right to demand such things.

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

These are clearly false claims, and it's not a part of pre-dev hype. The game was already finished at this point. And even aside from that, Mac Walters was making similar claims even *after* the game was released.

[Xilizhra]

You see, ol Xil here doesn't see videogames as a medium for mature, adult story telling.

Rather, they are merely a juvenile power trip that's sole purpose is to gratify the player's ego and never, EVER are they to question the player's authority or make them actually feel the harshness of reality.

The personal drama you have with me is irrelevant.

Im not supporting what they did with ME3, however, Bioware bashing also wont get you anywhere. Take this as a lesson, dont pre-order from bioware if your upset and wait for reviews from people who have completed the game to avoid this. That to me is the best thing you can do. Because Bioware WILL continue to make awesome games and you will miss them.

The best chance they have of making better games in the future is for this one to be eviscerated and cemented to their ceiling as an example.

[Kaiser Shepard]

GodWood wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
If this movement fails, the only logical response is to do everything in our power to destroy Bioware's reputation forever. Of course, this may take a while to determine, but we should remember it. An example, one way or another, needs to be made to the rest of the industry.

so because of two games you don't like they deserve to have their reputation tarnished? give me a break , just because some people didn't get the ending they made up in their heads isn't a reason to freak out

You see, ol Xil here doesn't see videogames as a medium for mature, adult story telling.

Rather, they are merely a juvenile power trip that's sole purpose is to gratify the player's ego and never, EVER are they to question the player's authority or make them actually feel the harshness of reality.

You forgot to mention the option to engage in shallow lesbian romances with characters that are rather childlike in appearance and behaviour.