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[suusuuu]

no. they are a company.

[GreenDragon37]

Yes, they are people. People make mistakes and they can lie. That "Final Hours" app really didn't help BioWare's case. They out-right lied to our faces, and they have betrayed my trust. It reminded me that BioWare is a corporation made up of people. And they only understand one thing: money.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 18 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[AwesomeDudex64]

They're people but their parent, EA, isn't.

[RenownedRyan]

I was almost certain that BioWare was a company.

[TheRevanchist]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

RagingCeltik wrote...

Retake Mass Effect: Mission Statement and Goals
http://social.biowar...ndex/10160364/1

We acknowledge the great talent and creativity of Bioware and its staff. That is first and foremost. We are here because their passion became our passion.

Exactly and that is part only is what I stand for, but the mission shoots itself in the foot, cause if you boycott to the point of starving them of profits, then the meat of your mission statement (to change the end of the game) dies as well along with any credibility to the statement of having passion for this game. 

Starv BioWare, you starv Mass Effect. The very game we love so much. 

and if you just keep buying all their crap they realize they don't have to make stuff we like because we'll always buy w/e they give us....

[Esoretal]

The irony is that the longer they wait for more people to finish the game (as they've stated they were going to), the more enraged and disappointed fans they have on their hands. It'll just keep snowballing.

Modifié par Esoretal, 18 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[Nenomitrosis]

Until the end it was a really great game. Even the end has a beatiful way to be told (although the content was not). I support your claims, and I will be patient. Personally I think they did a good job, so if they bring a new end I will be fine with that, if not, the other 95% of the game and the 99% of the series is enough to leave in peace.

[Tamcia]

People would respond to our concerns in a proper way (not just typical PR stuff that feels soulless).

BW=Reapers. Reapers say it's for the better and we don't understand there reasons and should just roll over and die. Also Reapers are synthetic, therefore not people.

[Thornquist]

I agree with OP 100%

[Team Value]

This "defend the corporation" attitude is really tiresome. Do you not realize that "it might hurt someone's feelings" or "it might make someone lose their job" are arguments that can be used to disallow any criticism of any corporation no matter what it does?

Bioware is a company and we as consumers have a right (and duty) to complain (either with our voices or--if all else fails--our wallets) when they do something we don't like. That is how business works. Bioware are not a bunch of volunteers. They are professionals--and professionals must expect to be criticized when they screw up (naturally, this does not include personal attacks).

If you would bother to pay attention, you might notice that many of the people complaining about the ending make a point of saying how great the rest of the game is. We aren't complaining because we hate Bioware's employees, but because we hate part of what they did.

Modifié par Team Value, 18 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[BadgerladDK]

 The individual people at Bioware are just that, people. As such, they should be treated respectfully as people. Fully with you on that, OP. 

But, and this is important: Bioware, the corporate entity, is a business selling me a product and banking on my goodwill to buy their products in the future, in a business where I am largely left without the same consumer protections as I'd have when buying other types of products. So in order for me to buy their product in the future, I'd have to have faith that they won't screw me over, either out of greed or a level of incompetence. At this point, I don't have that faith.

I'd love nothing more than to have my faith restored. How many corporations have former or potential customers who are currently disenfranchised literally begging for a way to return? I can't mention many outside of various parts of the entertainment industry.

[Kulthar Drax]

Larg_Kellein wrote...

 The individual people at Bioware are just that, people. As such, they should be treated respectfully as people. Fully with you on that, OP. 

But, and this is important: Bioware, the corporate entity, is a business selling me a product and banking on my goodwill to buy their products in the future, in a business where I am largely left without the same consumer protections as I'd have when buying other types of products. So in order for me to buy their product in the future, I'd have to have faith that they won't screw me over, either out of greed or a level of incompetence. At this point, I don't have that faith.

I'd love nothing more than to have my faith restored. How many corporations have former or potential customers who are currently disenfranchised literally begging for a way to return? I can't mention many outside of various parts of the entertainment industry.

This is the sort of thing the Retake movement should be concerned with. Remaining passionate and committed, but also civil and polite, even if we are feeling hurt or angry or upset. Insulting people individually will get us nowhere. Sure, by all means wax lyrical about how much you hate EA and corporations, but remember there are individuals there too, who may or may not be decent people (but should be assumed to be decent until proven otherwise). That said, I do despise PR stuff, as it is largely soulless and strips the humanity out of things. But hey, that's business for you.

[DigitalMaster37]

Team Value wrote...

This "defend the corporation" attitude is really tiresome. Do you not realize that "it might hurt someone's feelings" or "it might make someone lose their job" are arguments that can be used to disallow any criticism of any corporation no matter what it does?

Bioware is a company and we as consumers have a right (and duty) to complain (either with our voices or--if all else fails--our wallets) when they do something we don't like. That is how business works. Bioware are not a bunch of volunteers. They are professionals--and professionals must expect to be criticized when they screw up (naturally, this does not include personal attacks).

If you would bother to pay attention, you might notice that many of the people complaining about the ending make a point of saying how great the rest of the game is. We aren't complaining because we hate Bioware's employees, but because we hate part of what they did.

It's funny cause according to your logic, we should become drones ourselves to combat what you feel is a corporate drone's attitude. That is flawed. 

By being human ourselves responding and acting the way we want to be treated, then our argument will carry more weight. As you can see, those who are being rude and disrespectful are already being called "childish" and "entitled" by the media. 

So again my argument is that we become more effective rather than counterproductive where your "Bash the corporation" attitude is getting tiresome to me and a bunch of others. 

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 18 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[Team Value]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Team Value wrote...

This "defend the corporation" attitude is really tiresome. Do you not realize that "it might hurt someone's feelings" or "it might make someone lose their job" are arguments that can be used to disallow any criticism of any corporation no matter what it does?

Bioware is a company and we as consumers have a right (and duty) to complain (either with our voices or--if all else fails--our wallets) when they do something we don't like. That is how business works. Bioware are not a bunch of volunteers. They are professionals--and professionals must expect to be criticized when they screw up (naturally, this does not include personal attacks).

If you would bother to pay attention, you might notice that many of the people complaining about the ending make a point of saying how great the rest of the game is. We aren't complaining because we hate Bioware's employees, but because we hate part of what they did.

It's funny cause according to your logic, we should become drones ourselves to combat what you feel is a corporate drone's attitude. That is flawed. 

By being human ourselves responding and acting the way we want to be treated, then our argument will carry more weight. As you can see, those who are being rude and disrespectful are already being called "childish" and "entitled" by the media. 

So again my argument is that we become more effective rather than counterproductive where your "Bash the corporation" attitude is getting tiresome to me and a bunch of others. 

Your post doesn't even make sense. It also puts words into my mouth that I didn't say.