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[FRancium]

Personally I've never felt the need to insult or even raise my voice much. I also do not agree with some of the more drastic measures certain fans have taken. But that doesn't make the plot-holes any less obvious.

Ironically, a lot of the discontent fans are the ones most invested. New players to the series wouldn't care as much that the ending wasn't on par with the rest of the trilogy. Heavily invested fans will take notice of more plot-holes and experience a larger drop-off from expectation. I can't say their anger is unjustified.

More ironically, you seek less "hyperbole, vitriol, review bombing, contempt, personal attacks"etc from FPS fans? (point to CoD, BF3)

[MattFini]

Another pro-ending person posts another condescending thread that generalizes thousands of people.

Nothing else to see here.

[Dragoonlordz]

Meltemph wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Initially I kept saying I have no problem if you have ending DLC optional to resolve your disappointment and so you can enjoy the game like I have as long as you ask for it in a reasonable and respectful way... But as time is going on and more and more aggressive and disrespectful threads pop up I am beginning to change my mind. Those who cannot be respectful or reasonable are ruining the image and reputation of the ones who are being such. 

At this stage I am beginning to think due to the actions and arrogance of a lot of the fanbase over Origin, Liara statues, anime series, femshep voting, endings, ammo clips, kinect, textures, LI's, DLC, multiplayer and much more that maybe Bioware should find some new fans. One's less prone to hyperbole, vitriol, review bombing, contempt, personal attacks on wiki and twitter, emotional blackmail and holding them to ransom with boycotts plus threats of legal action for false advertisment also constant flux of aggression towards half the things they do. 

Maybe they should just switch and make FPS from this point on with mere 7 hour single player campaigns because right now I don't think many of the people here even deserve Bioware to make RPG's and RPG hybrids anymore, not if this is the way many are currently acting over past few months. If the peoples assumptions here were true and Bioware only cared about money they would of ditched you so called fans long ago because more money can be made making FPS shooters with poor story and reliance on multiplayer alone. 

Just cool your heads, calm down and be patient, reasonable and respectful all of which of late is far from the case for many.

You were the guy talking about how worried you were about interaction and how they were not making the games for you anymore...right?  Or am I mising something.

I am the guy who said if what they make is not something I wish to buy there are other games I could buy that cater more to my tastes. There was no demand to change it or filing lawsuits against them, launch personal twitter or wiki attacks on individual developers, not blackmail them saying if they don't do x or y I will never buy from them again, not expressing myself in vitrolic or hyperbolic way and never review bomb their products. My actions are reasonable, logical and respectful to the developer. This is not the case for a huge amount of people here.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[tommythetomcat]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Initially I kept saying I have no problem if you have ending DLC optional to resolve your disappointment and so you can enjoy the game like I have as long as you ask for it in a reasonable and respectful way... But as time is going on and more and more aggressive and disrespectful threads pop up I am beginning to change my mind. Those who cannot be respectful or reasonable are ruining the image and reputation of the ones who are being such. 

At this stage I am beginning to think due to the actions and arrogance of a lot of the fanbase over Origin, Liara statues, anime series, femshep voting, endings, ammo clips, kinect, textures, LI's, DLC, multiplayer and much more that maybe Bioware should find some new fans. One's less prone to hyperbole, vitriol, review bombing, contempt, personal attacks on wiki and twitter, emotional blackmail and holding them to ransom with boycotts plus threats of legal action for false advertisment also constant flux of aggression towards half the things they do. 

Maybe they should just switch and make FPS from this point on with mere 7 hour single player campaigns because right now I don't think many of the people here even deserve Bioware to make RPG's and RPG hybrids anymore, not if this is the way many are currently acting over past few months. If the peoples assumptions here were true and Bioware only cared about money they would of ditched you so called fans long ago because more money can be made making FPS shooters with poor story and reliance on multiplayer alone. 

Just cool your heads, calm down and be patient, reasonable and respectful all of which of late is far from the case for many.

Funny enough you accuse certain people who want a new ending of being childish yet don't point out that there are plenty of people troll baiting and spewing the same hate at them for wanting to change it.  Other than that I agree.

[Elite Midget]

commonperson wrote...

I have to say I agree. I find this "hold the line" thing kind of distrubing. An writer sits down to create a piece of work and pours their soul in to it. They create something they feel is powerful and moving and resolves the story they have been telling. Then just because a vocal group of individuals don't like it they are expected to change their story. That's akin to going back and changing Lord of the Rings to a slap happy road trip. This kind of loops back to an "ownership" argument regarding art. Art for the viewer versus Art for art's sake. Frankly I'm of the opinion the artist creates the work for themselves, they put it out there for people to take from it what they will. Mass Effect 3 was a poigniont story with a powerful conclusion. It's like in Serenity, no one wanted Wash to die. But we needed him to die, we needed to be reminded that the universe isn't shiny and things don't always turn out the way we hope.

They're selling a product, you can't use the soul arguement.

[Dragoonlordz]

MattFini wrote...

Another pro-ending person posts another condescending thread that generalizes thousands of people.

Nothing else to see here.

I'm talking about the actions many are taking and expressing on here not what person x, y or z does who never used those same methods because it is not them I am addressing.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[majormajormmajor]

MattFini wrote...

Another pro-ending person posts another condescending thread that generalizes thousands of people.

Nothing else to see here.

[Alamar2078]

commonperson wrote...

I have to say I agree. I find this "hold the line" thing kind of distrubing. An writer sits down to create a piece of work and pours their soul in to it. They create something they feel is powerful and moving and resolves the story they have been telling. Then just because a vocal group of individuals don't like it they are expected to change their story. That's akin to going back and changing Lord of the Rings to a slap happy road trip. This kind of loops back to an "ownership" argument regarding art. Art for the viewer versus Art for art's sake. Frankly I'm of the opinion the artist creates the work for themselves, they put it out there for people to take from it what they will. Mass Effect 3 was a poigniont story with a powerful conclusion. It's like in Serenity, no one wanted Wash to die. But we needed him to die, we needed to be reminded that the universe isn't shiny and things don't always turn out the way we hope.

Art or ownership of the mass effect universe has very little to do with what is going on.

What the biggest problem is that a company [BW] produced a product [ME3].  The company made statements [promises] about the product that were not met.  This has nothing to do with art but living up to the standards you set for yourself and not misleading your customers.

Modifié par Alamar2078, 18 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[majormajormmajor]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Funny enough you accuse certain people who want a new ending of being childish yet don't point out that there are plenty of people troll baiting and spewing the same hate at them for wanting to change it. 

Aye, and he (she? it?) is one of them.

[Dragoonlordz]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Initially I kept saying I have no problem if you have ending DLC optional to resolve your disappointment and so you can enjoy the game like I have as long as you ask for it in a reasonable and respectful way... But as time is going on and more and more aggressive and disrespectful threads pop up I am beginning to change my mind. Those who cannot be respectful or reasonable are ruining the image and reputation of the ones who are being such. 

At this stage I am beginning to think due to the actions and arrogance of a lot of the fanbase over Origin, Liara statues, anime series, femshep voting, endings, ammo clips, kinect, textures, LI's, DLC, multiplayer and much more that maybe Bioware should find some new fans. One's less prone to hyperbole, vitriol, review bombing, contempt, personal attacks on wiki and twitter, emotional blackmail and holding them to ransom with boycotts plus threats of legal action for false advertisment also constant flux of aggression towards half the things they do. 

Maybe they should just switch and make FPS from this point on with mere 7 hour single player campaigns because right now I don't think many of the people here even deserve Bioware to make RPG's and RPG hybrids anymore, not if this is the way many are currently acting over past few months. If the peoples assumptions here were true and Bioware only cared about money they would of ditched you so called fans long ago because more money can be made making FPS shooters with poor story and reliance on multiplayer alone. 

Just cool your heads, calm down and be patient, reasonable and respectful all of which of late is far from the case for many.

Funny enough you accuse certain people who want a new ending of being childish yet don't point out that there are plenty of people troll baiting and spewing the same hate at them for wanting to change it.  Other than that I agree.

Those who are being childish in responses towards others are not the ones trying to file lawsuits, launching person twitter and wiki attacks on the individual developers, not review bombing, not blackmailing.

[FRancium]

commonperson wrote...

I have to say I agree. I find this "hold the line" thing kind of distrubing. An writer sits down to create a piece of work and pours their soul in to it. They create something they feel is powerful and moving and resolves the story they have been telling. Then just because a vocal group of individuals don't like it they are expected to change their story. That's akin to going back and changing Lord of the Rings to a slap happy road trip. This kind of loops back to an "ownership" argument regarding art. Art for the viewer versus Art for art's sake. Frankly I'm of the opinion the artist creates the work for themselves, they put it out there for people to take from it what they will. Mass Effect 3 was a poigniont story with a powerful conclusion. It's like in Serenity, no one wanted Wash to die. But we needed him to die, we needed to be reminded that the universe isn't shiny and things don't always turn out the way we hope.

Can't speak for any one else, but I'm not campaigning for changing the artistic direction. Not happy endings, not whether dark age will come, I just hate all the loop-holes.
I see myself more as pointing out "dude, in the ending your novel just described the sun rising from the west. Might want to rethink that part."

[Hudathan]

majormajormmajor wrote...

The defenders of the ending have treated us with nothing but contempt. They are receiving nothing but the same in turn. This is very fully justified.

Yeah right.

[Dragoonlordz]

majormajormmajor wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...

Funny enough you accuse certain people who want a new ending of being childish yet don't point out that there are plenty of people troll baiting and spewing the same hate at them for wanting to change it. 

Aye, and he (she? it?) is one of them.

Nope. Try again.

[jb1983]

They want to find fans that don't vent when treated like children?

Perhaps they should get out of the gaming industry...or any industry.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Seems like your really nit picking if you think most of us aren't level-headed.  I see quite the opposit. 

[cubie_hole7]

People could stand to be a little more respectful and reasonable...but Bioware could actually...I don't know, stand to give them some real answers too.

[Legendaryred]

Lmfao, who ever filled a lawsuit? a complaint is not a lawsuit, dude seriously the FTC complaint is a few days old news. Art should be in a museum or an art gallery, the minute you put it out in the consumer market then you are in for a BIG surprise because that's how capitalism works.

[tommythetomcat]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Initially I kept saying I have no problem if you have ending DLC optional to resolve your disappointment and so you can enjoy the game like I have as long as you ask for it in a reasonable and respectful way... But as time is going on and more and more aggressive and disrespectful threads pop up I am beginning to change my mind. Those who cannot be respectful or reasonable are ruining the image and reputation of the ones who are being such. 

At this stage I am beginning to think due to the actions and arrogance of a lot of the fanbase over Origin, Liara statues, anime series, femshep voting, endings, ammo clips, kinect, textures, LI's, DLC, multiplayer and much more that maybe Bioware should find some new fans. One's less prone to hyperbole, vitriol, review bombing, contempt, personal attacks on wiki and twitter, emotional blackmail and holding them to ransom with boycotts plus threats of legal action for false advertisment also constant flux of aggression towards half the things they do. 

Maybe they should just switch and make FPS from this point on with mere 7 hour single player campaigns because right now I don't think many of the people here even deserve Bioware to make RPG's and RPG hybrids anymore, not if this is the way many are currently acting over past few months. If the peoples assumptions here were true and Bioware only cared about money they would of ditched you so called fans long ago because more money can be made making FPS shooters with poor story and reliance on multiplayer alone. 

Just cool your heads, calm down and be patient, reasonable and respectful all of which of late is far from the case for many.

Funny enough you accuse certain people who want a new ending of being childish yet don't point out that there are plenty of people troll baiting and spewing the same hate at them for wanting to change it.  Other than that I agree.

Those who are being childish in responses towards others are not the ones trying to file lawsuits, launching person twitter and wiki attacks on the individual developers, not review bombing, not blackmailing.

Yes it is a complete impossibility that a troll would purposfully make retakemasseffect movement look bad by doing just that.  Just stop while you are ahead with me I technically agree with you people need to stop acting like children.

[majormajormmajor]

Hudathan wrote...

Yeah right.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nope. Try again.

Your posts in defense of the endings more than speak for themselves.

[Dragoonlordz]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Seems like your really nit picking if you think most of us aren't level-headed.  I see quite the opposit. 

I did not say most.

[effortname]

Those who are being childish in responses towards others are not
the ones trying to file lawsuits, launching person twitter and wiki
attacks on the individual developers, not review bombing, not
blackmailing.

These are just cute ways of getting publicity for your pet issue. No one is actually going to realistically sue Bioware over a terrible ending.

[Dragoonlordz]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Yeah right.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nope. Try again.

Your posts in defense of the endings more than speak for themselves.

Feel free to go find such a post if you think there is one where I have attacked or used vitriol against another poster on this issue. I think you'll be gone a very long time searching.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

I agree OP

[majormajormmajor]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Feel free to go find such a post if you think there is one where I have attacked or used vitriol agsint another poster on this issue. I think you'll be gone a very long time searching.

Both of you have spread the lie that people who dislike the endings have conducted themselves with anything but restraint, when it is yours and yours alone that has resorted to character assasination, ad hominen attacks and the other bevy of tricks that is the preserve of the cur.

The scurrilous message in your opening post says it all.

[Sundance31us]

effortname wrote...
Cool-headed rational argumentation has never achieved anything in the history of getting things done. People getting all up in flames over random things usually does.

Bull****. When they canceled Farscape we (the fans) were able to get the Scifi channel to reverse their decision through calm courtesy protests.

We were advised by inside sources that if we allowed things to get out of hand and nasty we would lose.