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[effortname]

Shallyah wrote...

I agree completely with the OP. Those who are bashing irrationally and insulting Bioware are the small % that make us all look bad, and be labelled as "entitled whiners". You do not do us a favor by taking that attitude, even if you think you are contributing.

Please, be polite, especially with the company that has brought these awesome games to you. They may have made a mistake, but start counting how many hours of awesome they've brought ot you. Let's give them some credit and ask for the changes we wish with the education that we've been given.

If you're polite and courteous, then the forums will function as normal. People will go here to ask questions about story stuff and leave satisfied when they get their answers. As it is now, the entire thing is completely disfunctional due to being flooded with threads about the ending. In the first case, Bioware has no incentive to do anything because there's no urgency. In the second case, they're forced to take actions to alleviate the problem without making it worse.

This same thing basically happened with the WoW forums when Blizzard decided it was a wonderful idea to force people to use their real names as their forum username. They went back on that within days.

Modifié par effortname, 18 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[KiroKatashi]

I do not understand the point to this thread. Most opponents of the ending are being respectful and/or reasonable, so the Dragoonlordz must not be adressing them. Those that are threatening/being overly confrontational/whatever are not going to stop because some random person on the internet asks them to. Thread seems unnecessary, but that is just my thoughts.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

It's not the fact that Bioware made a mistake, its the nature of that mistake that has people up in arms more than anything else (just a guess on my part though).

[JPR1964]

MattFini wrote...

Another pro-ending person posts another condescending thread that generalizes thousands of people.

Nothing else to see here.

Agreed, 

Hold the line and don't feed the troll!!!

JPR out:!

[Kloborgg711]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Initially I kept saying I have no problem if you have ending DLC optional to resolve your disappointment and so you can enjoy the game like I have as long as you ask for it in a reasonable and respectful way... But as time is going on and more and more aggressive and disrespectful threads pop up I am beginning to change my mind. Those who cannot be respectful or reasonable are ruining the image and reputation of the ones who are being such. 

At this stage I am beginning to think due to the actions and arrogance of a lot of the fanbase over Origin, Liara statues, anime series, femshep voting, endings, ammo clips, kinect, textures, LI's, DLC, multiplayer and much more that maybe Bioware should find some new fans. One's less prone to hyperbole, vitriol, review bombing, contempt, personal attacks on wiki and twitter, emotional blackmail and holding them to ransom with boycotts plus threats of legal action for false advertisment also constant flux of aggression towards half the things they do. 

Maybe they should just switch and make FPS from this point on with mere 7 hour single player campaigns because right now I don't think many of the people here even deserve Bioware to make RPG's and RPG hybrids anymore, not if this is the way many are currently acting over past few months. If the peoples assumptions here were true and Bioware only cared about money they would of ditched you so called fans long ago because more money can be made making FPS shooters with poor story and reliance on multiplayer alone. 

Just cool your heads, calm down and be patient, reasonable and respectful all of which of late is far from the case for many.

That's a great idea. Abandon the fans that lead to your success and find new ones. Brilliant! 
If you think Bioware should look for fans who kiss their feet regardless of the company's choices, sorry, there aren't enough to sustain a coporation.
"
 Bioware only cared about money they would of ditched you so called fans "
Yeah, obviously if Bioware wanted money they would have ditched their playerbase. What.

[RaideDuku]

Funny thing is, most of the people that are for an alternate ending are being respectful. The moment there's a post that's not, it's alternate ending supporters that are usually there first to metaphorically smack them upside the head.

Both sides have their bad apples. I assume you have made a similar post to the current ending supporters also requesting they be civil.

Also, by all means. Like the ending. I'm happy it didn't ruin the trilogy for you. For me, it ruined the whole trilogy for me. I would have been doing a trilogy run with a femshep by now if I didn't feel...empty...every time I tried to boot up ME1.

BioWare does have all the right to make the ending however they want. However, once they put it for sale, it is a product, and fans are free to dislike whatever it is about it, and to let the creator know what is wrong with it. BioWare is then free to do what it pleases with the feedback, and they will have to live with consequences of their action (or inaction). What those consequences are is yet to be seen. Maybe it will amount to nothing. Maybe their next game will bomb due to consumer backlash. We'll just have to see.

Finally, obviously you're a BioWare fan, and you want to stick up for them. Laudable goal. However, BioWare's creative vision is not theirs. Even though they made it, Electronic Arts owns it.
If they decided, "Hey, BioWare. You know Mass Effect? Yeah, you're not making it anymore. We're giving it to DICE." and it would be done, with nothing that BioWare could do about it. Why waste your time protecting a big corporation like EA? They're big boys, I'm sure they can take care of themselves. Now, I'm not saying don't back BioWare. Just be aware that their "creative vision" isn't truly theirs, and never will be.

[jb1983]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Initially I kept saying I have no problem if you have ending DLC optional to resolve your disappointment and so you can enjoy the game like I have as long as you ask for it in a reasonable and respectful way... But as time is going on and more and more aggressive and disrespectful threads pop up I am beginning to change my mind. Those who cannot be respectful or reasonable are ruining the image and reputation of the ones who are being such. 

At this stage I am beginning to think due to the actions and arrogance of a lot of the fanbase over Origin, Liara statues, anime series, femshep voting, endings, ammo clips, kinect, textures, LI's, DLC, multiplayer and much more that maybe Bioware should find some new fans. One's less prone to hyperbole, vitriol, review bombing, contempt, personal attacks on wiki and twitter, emotional blackmail and holding them to ransom with boycotts plus threats of legal action for false advertisment also constant flux of aggression towards half the things they do. 

Maybe they should just switch and make FPS from this point on with mere 7 hour single player campaigns because right now I don't think many of the people here even deserve Bioware to make RPG's and RPG hybrids anymore, not if this is the way many are currently acting over past few months. If the peoples assumptions here were true and Bioware only cared about money they would of ditched you so called fans long ago because more money can be made making FPS shooters with poor story and reliance on multiplayer alone. 

Just cool your heads, calm down and be patient, reasonable and respectful all of which of late is far from the case for many.

The whole, "Yeah, well, maybe Bioware is just too good for you!" is a tad bit overdramatic. 

Look, they're a company. Apparently everyone forgets this. They're not your neighbor. They're not your friend. They're not your lover. They're a business. Their job is to produce a product for you. If you purchase that product and are upset with it, you can tell the company. If their only response is, "Oh, that's cute, tell me what you liked," then you have every reason to get angry. 

I always relate this back to food because it's easy to do, but if you went to a restaurant and found a cockroach sticking out of what looked to be a perfect meal and then found out the cook put it there as part of an "artistic vision," exaclty how would you respond? And even if you were civil he said, "I appreciate your feedback. But what do you like about the food?" What would your response be then? If at no point he committed to remaking the food without the cockroach, would you just go ahead and eat the meal? 

[Kloborgg711]

RaideDuku wrote...

Yep. The vast majority of pro-ending threads contain some sort of instigation, and when we respond to defend ourselves we're told "hey, be respectful". I can already name more than a few threads where someone has called new-ending supporters "idiots" while simultaneously demanding respect for their own views. The OP of this thread has already insulted quite a few people while pretending to wear the visage of mutual respect.

[Dragoonlordz]

JPR1964 wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Another pro-ending person posts another condescending thread that generalizes thousands of people.

Nothing else to see here.

Agreed, 

Hold the line and don't feed the troll!!!

JPR out:!

You seem to be under the wrong impression I am singling out the endings group. I mentioned many groups in the second paragraph and it is a combination of all the groups not just yours. The detriment caused by accumulation of many issues about how the so called 'fans' have reacted over time with regards to all of those issues leading me to the aspect I mentioned in the third paragraph.

And the initial post never even went into all the bile, disdain and attacks that were present on the DA2 forums section but merely this current one which I could of and maybe should of expanded to that one too. I am talking about the current fanbase and their actions spread out over many months. But if you think I am a troll you would be very much mistaken.

[Jadebaby]

sirstikay69 wrote...

I don't like throwing muck around at people to begin with but most of the disrespect that has been posted comes from people who think they ending is great and just act plain arrogant about it.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, its when people start thinking that their opinion is the only one that matters is when disrespect comes into play.

THIS! SO MUCH THIS!!

I wont deny one bit that our movement has it's extremists and I know for a fact the majority of us do not support the FTC complaint. Nor do we let the more aggressive of us steal what calm and rational light we may be cast in.

However, your side have these kinds of 'extremists' also, and I can't specifically state where but I think I even saw your name once badgering someone for trying to support the movement.

[Dragoonlordz]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sirstikay69 wrote...

I don't like throwing muck around at people to begin with but most of the disrespect that has been posted comes from people who think they ending is great and just act plain arrogant about it.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, its when people start thinking that their opinion is the only one that matters is when disrespect comes into play.

THIS! SO MUCH THIS!!

I wont deny one bit that our movement has it's extremists and I know for a fact the majority of us do not support the FTC complaint. Nor do we let the more aggressive of us steal what calm and rational light we may be cast in.

However, your side have these kinds of 'extremists' also, and I can't specifically state where but I think I even saw your name once badgering someone for trying to support the movement.

you would be mistaken on that bolded part.

[Marinemike69]

Every time I see a post of someone defending EA, bioware, the ending, artistic expresion, etc. I feel that it's someone from the company shilling for the PR department. Doing there physi-ops counter warfare on the fans.

Shame on you EA-Bioware.

Hold the line!

[HenchxNarf]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

RaideDuku wrote...

Yep. The vast majority of pro-ending threads contain some sort of instigation, and when we respond to defend ourselves we're told "hey, be respectful". I can already name more than a few threads where someone has called new-ending supporters "idiots" while simultaneously demanding respect for their own views. The OP of this thread has already insulted quite a few people while pretending to wear the visage of mutual respect.

Because there is a majority who act like idiots. Not as a whole, but a majority. Of course, you know nothing of respect. And you know nothing about how to be civil with people who don't share the same opinion as you do.

Some of the resistance, they're doing it right. But sadly, most are not.

[Dragoonlordz]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

RaideDuku wrote...

Yep. The vast majority of pro-ending threads contain some sort of instigation, and when we respond to defend ourselves we're told "hey, be respectful". I can already name more than a few threads where someone has called new-ending supporters "idiots" while simultaneously demanding respect for their own views. The OP of this thread has already insulted quite a few people while pretending to wear the visage of mutual respect.

And who would that be? You made a claim back it up.

As for my own claim it spans months both over ME3 and DA2 the "fanbase" and how they acted on many issues. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[Kloborgg711]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sirstikay69 wrote...

I don't like throwing muck around at people to begin with but most of the disrespect that has been posted comes from people who think they ending is great and just act plain arrogant about it.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, its when people start thinking that their opinion is the only one that matters is when disrespect comes into play.

THIS! SO MUCH THIS!!

I wont deny one bit that our movement has it's extremists and I know for a fact the majority of us do not support the FTC complaint. Nor do we let the more aggressive of us steal what calm and rational light we may be cast in.

However, your side have these kinds of 'extremists' also, and I can't specifically state where but I think I even saw your name once badgering someone for trying to support the movement.

you would be mistaken on that bolded part.

Nonsense, you've trolled more than a couple threads already. You've re-quoted several mocking and insulting statements. You're no better than those you're calling out here.

[HenchxNarf]

Marinemike69 wrote...

Every time I see a post of someone defending EA, bioware, the ending, artistic expresion, etc. I feel that it's someone from the company shilling for the PR department. Doing there physi-ops counter warfare on the fans.

Shame on you EA-Bioware.

Hold the line!

Because you can't see outside your little bubble. We like the game, get over it. We're not PRing for the company.

[Kloborgg711]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

RaideDuku wrote...

Yep. The vast majority of pro-ending threads contain some sort of instigation, and when we respond to defend ourselves we're told "hey, be respectful". I can already name more than a few threads where someone has called new-ending supporters "idiots" while simultaneously demanding respect for their own views. The OP of this thread has already insulted quite a few people while pretending to wear the visage of mutual respect.

And who would that be? You made a claim back it up.

As for my own claim it spans months both over ME3 and DA2 the "fanbase" and how they acted on many issues. 

If you're strategy to back up your claim is to cite experience, why can't I do the same? My "proof" is reading hundreds of threads since this issue began. The same as yours.

[Dragoonlordz]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sirstikay69 wrote...

I don't like throwing muck around at people to begin with but most of the disrespect that has been posted comes from people who think they ending is great and just act plain arrogant about it.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, its when people start thinking that their opinion is the only one that matters is when disrespect comes into play.

THIS! SO MUCH THIS!!

I wont deny one bit that our movement has it's extremists and I know for a fact the majority of us do not support the FTC complaint. Nor do we let the more aggressive of us steal what calm and rational light we may be cast in.

However, your side have these kinds of 'extremists' also, and I can't specifically state where but I think I even saw your name once badgering someone for trying to support the movement.

you would be mistaken on that bolded part.

Nonsense, you've trolled more than a couple threads already. You've re-quoted several mocking and insulting statements. You're no better than those you're calling out here.

Nope, lies will get you nowhere. See the post and reply I made towards you above your own reply.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[Kloborgg711]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

RaideDuku wrote...

Yep. The vast majority of pro-ending threads contain some sort of instigation, and when we respond to defend ourselves we're told "hey, be respectful". I can already name more than a few threads where someone has called new-ending supporters "idiots" while simultaneously demanding respect for their own views. The OP of this thread has already insulted quite a few people while pretending to wear the visage of mutual respect.

Because there is a majority who act like idiots. Not as a whole, but a majority. Of course, you know nothing of respect. And you know nothing about how to be civil with people who don't share the same opinion as you do.

Some of the resistance, they're doing it right. But sadly, most are not.

Perfect example of someone calling others idiots while demanding respect for their own opinions. Above is the very definition of hypocrisy, ladies and gentlemen.

"Most of you are stupid! Now stop making fun of my opinion!"

[defenestrated]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

RaideDuku wrote...

Yep. The vast majority of pro-ending threads contain some sort of instigation, and when we respond to defend ourselves we're told "hey, be respectful". I can already name more than a few threads where someone has called new-ending supporters "idiots" while simultaneously demanding respect for their own views. The OP of this thread has already insulted quite a few people while pretending to wear the visage of mutual respect.

Because there is a majority who act like idiots. Not as a whole, but a majority. Of course, you know nothing of respect. And you know nothing about how to be civil with people who don't share the same opinion as you do.

Some of the resistance, they're doing it right. But sadly, most are not.

Just throwing this out there but saying "you know nothing" probably isn't the greatest way to get someone to see your side of things. Unless your name is Ygritte and you're talking to Ned Stark's bastard.

[ket_shee]

@OP

I've seen your pleas and your complaints in other threads before, encouraging others to be calm and level headed. I appreciate that.

Simultaneously, I have also seen you act out in disrespect and chastise people for their beliefs (i.e. demands, rights, entitlements, etc and no I will not be wasting my time searching for examples, the forum is buried in hundreds of threads, both locked and lost). Not that appreciative of that, but I understand. I've had my share of immature moments, on these boards and before.

My Point? It's gonna happen. Extremists exist, and your pleas fall on deaf ears. Those who want to stay calm, respectful, and patient are already doing so and more than likely didn't require anyone to tell them to do it. Others, evidently lost those attributes with the tide of emotions. Both pro-ending and anti-ending camps.

Starting threads like this simply creates more talk with less direction.

[Filby08]

I've seen more disrespect coming from the pro ending crowd when they call people immature brats for feeling dissatisfied with the game's ending and wishing to voice it.

I wont pretend that everyone who disliked the ending has responded in a reasonable manner, but the majority have refrained from personal attacks, at least.

::edit:: And yes, OP, i have seen you mock people in other threads. Respectful is not how I would describe you.

Modifié par Filby08, 18 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[fyresai]

I'd say most of the folks that're disappointed in the endings have been rather polite with their concerns, and thanks to some people who are better with words, have clear reasons for why they have issues with it. As has already been said, there will be extremists on both sides of the aisle. For each post I see about "screw you EAWare", I see another one about "Stop whining you entitled brats", it's natural, filter it out for the junk it is, and move on to more important things. Also...BioWare is a business, while they can be a "caring" business, staying in operation is probably their primary concern, so they're going to make decisions that they believe will keep them in operation the longest.

[ShdwFox7]

effortname wrote...

Cool-headed rational argumentation has never achieved anything in the history of getting things done. People getting all up in flames over random things usually does.

*cough* Ghandi *cough*

[HenchxNarf]

defenestrated wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

RaideDuku wrote...

Yep. The vast majority of pro-ending threads contain some sort of instigation, and when we respond to defend ourselves we're told "hey, be respectful". I can already name more than a few threads where someone has called new-ending supporters "idiots" while simultaneously demanding respect for their own views. The OP of this thread has already insulted quite a few people while pretending to wear the visage of mutual respect.

Because there is a majority who act like idiots. Not as a whole, but a majority. Of course, you know nothing of respect. And you know nothing about how to be civil with people who don't share the same opinion as you do.

Some of the resistance, they're doing it right. But sadly, most are not.

Just throwing this out there but saying "you know nothing" probably isn't the greatest way to get someone to see your side of things. Unless your name is Ygritte and you're talking to Ned Stark's bastard.

I was talking to that specific poster, not everyone as a whole.