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[daisekihan]

MaYtriX wrote...

daisekihan wrote...

commonperson wrote...

I have to say I agree. I find this "hold the line" thing kind of distrubing. An writer sits down to create a piece of work and pours their soul in to it. They create something they feel is powerful and moving and resolves the story they have been telling. Then just because a vocal group of individuals don't like it they are expected to change their story. That's akin to going back and changing Lord of the Rings to a slap happy road trip. This kind of loops back to an "ownership" argument regarding art. Art for the viewer versus Art for art's sake. Frankly I'm of the opinion the artist creates the work for themselves, they put it out there for people to take from it what they will. Mass Effect 3 was a poigniont story with a powerful conclusion. It's like in Serenity, no one wanted Wash to die. But we needed him to die, we needed to be reminded that the universe isn't shiny and things don't always turn out the way we hope.

My God, do you make a hobby of repeating the same tired arguments that have nothing to do with what we're actually objecting to? We don't mind Shepard dying or the ending not being sunshine and roses, we just want it to make sense --- as in, why did the Normandy leave the battle and zip off into hyperspace? Also, as it stands, you're comparison isn't quite accurate, because in ME everyone (except perhaps those on the Normandy) is going to die of starvation due to lack of resources with a population that depends on the relays, and even if some places make it, Earth is definitely screwed due half of it being reduced to firey rubble while its population triples.

We want to CHOOSE our ending. That's the whole point of the mass effect series, isn't it?
Not "16" slightly different endings, all with the same major results.

I agree in principle, I'm just saying that the previous poster is using a scarecrow argument that all people who object to the endings care about is letting Shepard walk off into the sunset.

[effortname]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

effortname wrote...

Congratulations on calling posting something nasty on a forum more extreme than organizing mass protests against a antogonistic government. Also on admitting argumentation didn't work.

The circumstances are different, the forum is different, the lesson is the same: there is a respective level of leverage that exists in which you can prove convincing without resorting to relative extremes, but still managing a reasonable probability of success. I believe this concept is housed in what is known as diplomacy.

It's actually known as leverage. The leverage here being the fans flooding the forums with more or less civil banter that's exclusively focused on the ending. It prevents anyone from really using the forums, while forcing Bioware to address the issue.

[defenestrated]

Skyhawk02 wrote...

Great post! I have been questioning why we still call these people fans when all they do is bash bioware.

*facepalm*

And this is why threads like this don't help. They further the stupid "us vs. them" mentality between people who did and didn't like the endings.

[Sentr0]

yeah OP is totally RIGHT i am sick tired of this stupids arrogant unrespectful kids and their fu**ing threads. Really if you dont like the ending then you SHOULDNT HAVE BOUGHT THE GAME. It's so simple, but i image you're too RETARDED to understand that.

And stop with the complains you have no fu**ing right, consider yourself lucky that bioware let you play their games even you dont f*cking deserve that

[Dragoonlordz]

daisekihan wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I actually sad "What?" because that sentence made no grammatical sense and I honestly couldn't decipher it, not because I wasn't paying attention. So, your hypothesis (which you're trying to "prove") is that more and more people are being disrespectful in your view..

..Ok, so? Are we supposed to take responsibility for those people? Or do you think this thread is going to alert them to their grievous mistakes and they're going to suddenly stop? You're ranting to many about the few, and I really don't see the purpose.

My point being what I said first post, people need to start being more reasonable, respectful and less bile and disdain , threats and blackmail and listed many examples such 'fans' used attack Bioware and staff. I provided links to back up such claims while you went on a personal attack and made claims of myself which you did not back up.

If some people are rude, that's a shame, and it certainly won't get those people what they want. But your obsequious attitude is almost the polar opposite ---- the idea that we don't "deserve" the privelege of buying Bioware's products if we complain we're not getting what we want is akin to saying you don't deserve to eat at a restaurant that serves your favorite dish if you send it back because there's a hair in it.

Again.. Methods. If you are abusive in how you respond to situations like that then no you do not have the right to eat there because they will bar you from it and your upsetting those who do eat there and are happy with the service so again methods is what I'm talking about not the right to complain reasonably.

[kaisterbahn]

Sentr0 wrote...

yeah OP is totally RIGHT i am sick tired of this stupids arrogant unrespectful kids and their fu**ing threads. Really if you dont like the ending then you SHOULDNT HAVE BOUGHT THE GAME. It's so simple, but i image you're too RETARDED to understand that.

And stop with the complains you have no fu**ing right, consider yourself lucky that bioware let you play their games even you dont f*cking deserve that

i's agrees wis Tokis, stupid arrogents unrespectfuls kids

Modifié par kaisterbahn, 18 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[daisekihan]

daguest wrote...

I think being aggressive doesn't support he cause. Not only it's disrespectful, even if they are disrespectful, we don't have the right to do as they do.
And also because if BW change the ending, they will do something terrible, like killing everyone, shep, teamates, normandy... And say something like "fan wanted closure, we give closure to ME3 : everyone die". Revenge is a sweet thing.

The whole point of putting out a DLC would be to appease fans. If you "get revenge" on the people who pay your salary, your not likely to collect it much longer. And if they did want something like that, all they would need to do is ignore the outcry, cut their losses with DLC and start on the next project.

[Dragoonlordz]

Sentr0 wrote...

yeah OP is totally RIGHT i am sick tired of this stupids arrogant unrespectful kids and their fu**ing threads. Really if you dont like the ending then you SHOULDNT HAVE BOUGHT THE GAME. It's so simple, but i image you're too RETARDED to understand that.

And stop with the complains you have no fu**ing right, consider yourself lucky that bioware let you play their games even you dont f*cking deserve that

I certainly did not say that so I question why you did.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Sgt.Catman]

Respectful? Reasonable? On THIS forum? don't make me laugh.

[gudman]

Sentr0 wrote...

yeah OP is totally RIGHT i am sick tired of this stupids arrogant unrespectful kids and their fu**ing threads. Really if you dont like the ending then you SHOULDNT HAVE BOUGHT THE GAME. It's so simple, but i image you're too RETARDED to understand that.

And stop with the complains you have no fu**ing right, consider yourself lucky that bioware let you play their games even you dont f*cking deserve that

Seems like you're too retarded to understand that to get to see the ending I NEED to buy the game.

[Kloborgg711]

Sgt.Catman wrote...

Respectful? Reasonable? On THIS forum? don't make me laugh.

Honest question, do you know of any gaming forums (on a similar scale) that are more respectful or reasonable than this?

[Johcande XX]

There are overzealous individuals on both sides; and as always with the internet, people are a lot meaner behind the veil of anonymity. This thread won't change that, some things in this world are inevitable. You know unless your in a police state that monitors free speech, but whatevs.

I declare this thread to be a waste of time.

[Dragoonlordz]

gudman wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

yeah OP is totally RIGHT i am sick tired of this stupids arrogant unrespectful kids and their fu**ing threads. Really if you dont like the ending then you SHOULDNT HAVE BOUGHT THE GAME. It's so simple, but i image you're too RETARDED to understand that.

And stop with the complains you have no fu**ing right, consider yourself lucky that bioware let you play their games even you dont f*cking deserve that

Seems like you're too retarded to understand that to get to see the ending I NEED to buy the game.

Actually you don't. Youtube as one example from many.

[Sgt.Catman]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Sgt.Catman wrote...

Respectful? Reasonable? On THIS forum? don't make me laugh.

Honest question, do you know of any gaming forums (on a similar scale) that are more respectful or reasonable than this?

To be honest, ive seen the steam forums have more reasonable people on it. And thats pushing it.

[kaisterbahn]

gudman wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

yeah OP is totally RIGHT i am sick tired of this stupids arrogant unrespectful kids and their fu**ing threads. Really if you dont like the ending then you SHOULDNT HAVE BOUGHT THE GAME. It's so simple, but i image you're too RETARDED to understand that.

And stop with the complains you have no fu**ing right, consider yourself lucky that bioware let you play their games even you dont f*cking deserve that

Seems like you're too retarded to understand that to get to see the ending I NEED to buy the game.

PFFFFFT I bet you're the kind of person who complains when you find a roach at the bottom of your plate at a restaurant. You shouldn't have ordered that dish, stupid.

[Sidra2099]

This thread seems to have taken on a personal element for a few posters, and is becoming a bit silly. I find it somewhat sad that a thread about respect has come to this.

If we want to move this 'mutual respect' thing forward, could we possibly start another thread that tries to consolidate the viewpoints of both sides in a non-antagonistic manner? Personal attacks beget personal attacks which, past a certain threshold, spawn complaints from third parties who are irate about the complaints. Or, 'QQ leads to QQ which leads to QQ about the QQ' (am I using it right?)

[effortname]

Seems like you're too retarded to understand that to get to see the ending I NEED to buy the game.

He's meta-posting and you don't get it.

Modifié par effortname, 18 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Johcande XX wrote...

There are overzealous individuals on both sides; and as always with the internet, people are a lot meaner behind the veil of anonymity. This thread won't change that, some things in this world are inevitable. You know unless your in a police state that monitors free speech, but whatevs.

I declare this thread to be a waste of time.

It is never a waste of time to ask for civility, reason and respect.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[Auralius Carolus]

effortname wrote...

It's actually known as leverage. The leverage here being the fans flooding the forums with more or less civil banter that's exclusively focused on the ending. It prevents anyone from really using the forums, while forcing Bioware to address the issue.

So, have we been barking up each other's trees for no good reason? I'm fine with that: it's dynamic, it's practical, and it neither violates forum rules or basic ethics.

What I have a problem with is the increase in slander, blatent attacks, etc. and their potential for fracturing an otherwise effective arrangement.

[longtimecoming00]

Sentr0 wrote...

yeah OP is totally RIGHT i am sick tired of this stupids arrogant unrespectful kids and their fu**ing threads. Really if you dont like the ending then you SHOULDNT HAVE BOUGHT THE GAME. It's so simple, but i image you're too RETARDED to understand that.

And stop with the complains you have no fu**ing right, consider yourself lucky that bioware let you play their games even you dont f*cking deserve that

1)  It's impossible to know the ending unless you buy and play the game

2)  If Bioware didn't want "arrogant unrespectful kids" the "privilige" of playing their games, then they shoudn't have made their product accessible to the general public.

[cjmarsh725]

This thread is starting to feel like it was made for or devolved into a place to flame other people.

[gudman]

effortname wrote...

He's meta-posting and you don't get it.

This thread goes to fast to catch up with everything, I guess. Happens. 

[Computron2000]

Sgt.Catman wrote...

Respectful? Reasonable? On THIS forum? don't make me laugh.

Again i must ask the big obvious question. Who defines what is respectful or reasonable? If its Bioware, they already did it in the TOS. Maybe someone would like to come out and say he or she is the one measurement of reason and respect?

[Sidra2099]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Johcande XX wrote...

There are overzealous individuals on both sides; and as always with the internet, people are a lot meaner behind the veil of anonymity. This thread won't change that, some things in this world are inevitable. You know unless your in a police state that monitors free speech, but whatevs.

I declare this thread to be a waste of time.

It is never a waste of time to ask for civility, reason and respect.

This is true. Although it is also probably true that the arguments in this thread are becoming more personal, and consequently less effective at establishing any form of consensus on how to establish boundaries for mutual respect about an hotly debated topic.

[kaisterbahn]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

yeah OP is totally RIGHT i am sick tired of this stupids arrogant unrespectful kids and their fu**ing threads. Really if you dont like the ending then you SHOULDNT HAVE BOUGHT THE GAME. It's so simple, but i image you're too RETARDED to understand that.

And stop with the complains you have no fu**ing right, consider yourself lucky that bioware let you play their games even you dont f*cking deserve that

1)  It's impossible to know the ending unless you buy and play the game

2)  If Bioware didn't want "arrogant unrespectful kids" the "privilige" of playing their games, then they shoudn't have made their product accessible to the general public.

Apparently now you're expected to look up and spoil the endings on Youtube of the game you're about to play on the off chance that it's bunk.