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[Deathstyk85]

fourthrocker wrote...

FYI: RPG's that I think are great. The Gothic series despite the bugs. Demon's Souls. The king's Field series on the PS (especially the Ancient City). Final Fanatasy. Oblivion. Bioshock. Mass Effect. Dungeon Siege. Diablo. Resident Evil. Darkstone. Rune.

All of which I have played more than once and will probably play again.

Dragon Age isn't even in the same planet as these, let alone the ball park.

those are almost all games that have a touch of rpg in them. of course dragon age isnt in the same ball park,they are still playing on the kiddie field, while dragon age is in the big leagues. (especially diablo, thats not a game, its a spam click fest)

[DrudgeRavener5]

fourthrocker wrote...

PT.Vohnsen wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

Resident Evil 1, and Tomb Raider 1 for that matter, are classics that will be played and remembered long after this game is forgotten (which will be next year).

Next year? I see...

You think this game will not be forgotten after next year? Reminds me of one day in college back around 85. The kid sitting next to me was writing Dokken on his desktop for a while, a real fanboy. I told him Dokken would be totally forgotten in a couple years. He was outraged. When was the last time anyone heard Dokken on the radio? LOL

I saw a commercial a couple of weeks ago on Hulu for Norton Antivirus. Dokken was in it.

[fourthrocker]

PT.Vohnsen wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

PT.Vohnsen wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

PT.Vohnsen wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

Resident Evil 1, and Tomb Raider 1 for that matter, are classics that will be played and remembered long after this game is forgotten (which will be next year).

Next year? I see...

You think this game will not be forgotten after next year? Reminds me of one day in college back around 85. The kid sitting next to me was writing Dokken on his desktop for a while, a real fanboy. I told him Dokken would be totally forgotten in a couple years. He was outraged. When was the last time anyone heard Dokken on the radio? LOL

Dont come here with " I am rubber, you are glue".

Lol, you are so funny when you try to be serious.

And you have your computer specs as your signature for what reason? Talk about the kettle calling the pot a name (black in case you're too young to have heard that or ever read a book).

My reasons for that is simple.
It makes it more easy for others to understand why i run the game the way i do. Problems, graphic settings etc.
Are you really that new to forums??? lol.

If you really think I am that young, then you are greatly mistaken, like you are with nearly everything else you write.

C'mon, was that your best shot?

How many other people here are doing that? If I am having a problem I'll post my dxdiag when necessary not use my computer specs at the bottom of every post. Come on, admit it's just bragging like I was doing.

[Fulgrim88]

DrudgeRavener5 wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

PT.Vohnsen wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

Resident Evil 1, and Tomb Raider 1 for that matter, are classics that will be played and remembered long after this game is forgotten (which will be next year).

Next year? I see...

You think this game will not be forgotten after next year? Reminds me of one day in college back around 85. The kid sitting next to me was writing Dokken on his desktop for a while, a real fanboy. I told him Dokken would be totally forgotten in a couple years. He was outraged. When was the last time anyone heard Dokken on the radio? LOL

I saw a commercial a couple of weeks ago on Hulu for Norton Antivirus. Dokken was in it.

Point taken:wizard:

[GhostMatter]

fourthrocker wrote...

GhostMatter wrote...

fourthrocker wrote..
The thing I don't like about the quests is that I could see no way to find the location for them. I went to Denerim and got all the chanters quests. 3 inside town and 3 outside. The ones inside town did not have a pointer on the mini-map like some quests inside towns do. Inconsistant. Call it hand holding but if you are going to have an in town pointer on some quests why not on all of them or none of them?

I said it before.

There is an option in settings for that. By default, it shows for explored maps only.

In the PC version? I didn't see that option.

Go try it then!

[eternalnightmare13]

This is the worst POST I have read in awhile, since one I read a couple hours ago which is virtually identical (cause all the trolls are on Thanksgiving break)...

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 29 novembre 2009 - 06:04 .

[Bahamet_x]

The attention **** is strong in this one..

[fourthrocker]

Suprez30 wrote...

Wow this guy's a obvious troll .. He try to belittle people argument before they can even post
*I started to play RPG vefore everyone else*

Than he complain that he wasted his money than claim he drive a 2008 corvette
.. Well if you wasted money somewhere it's on that piece of crap car.

Yeah, what a POS. It only goes 195mph, handles like a dream, gets great mileage, doesn't rust and makes everyone that isn't jealous go WOW. You would only have to spend about $150,000 on anything else just to come close to it and whatever that is rusts and gets half the mileage. It has been unanamously rated as being without equal at almost ANY price, let alone $50,000.

[MerinTB]

Romeo Longsword wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

I owned and played more games by the time I was 35 than you will in your whole life, and that was 23 years ago.

fourthrocker, can I ask you an absolutely serious question?  It is not intended as an attack or a dig, honest.

If I told you I was 65, and that I had played more games than you had when you were 35 before you were even born -

would that make you accept my opinions as superior to yours?

Would it honestly give my argument any weight to you, and make you reconsider your view, simply based on my age and the number of games I played?  Would you even take that as an "argument from authority" let alone allow a logical fallacy to alter your views?

While we are on that - if I told you that I was a multi-millionaire, and I never drive a care that is more than a year old, would that non-sequiter matter at all to your opinion on DAO?

Honestly?

If I was to answer for him, no, none of thouse things matters at all, but we could try to read between the lines and try to help him to understand the meaning of RPGs. And its not the rocket.

But your comment is attacking.

That may be how you are interpreting it, but it was never my intention.

The checkers thing?  That was mocking calling Resident Evil an RPG.

This was asking him to put the shoe on the other foot, to think for himself if some of his arguments (his age, his gaming experience, his income) would work on him if an older, more-experienced with games, wealthier person argued the opposite of him.  I don't think he'd care about any of those statistics - as they are all irrelevant.

Also, they are all logical fallacies and weaken, not strengthen, his argument.

If he has a point to make, bringing up the price of tea in China or an accusation that someone arguing against him is really an EA employee (no, he's said neither, they are broad examples of irrelevant points) distracts from any real points he'd have to make.

If you call it attacking when someone points out the logical flaws in your arguments, as opposed to someone trying to say he's superior and that others are just wrong (and calling them children unable to be spoken to intelligently) -
then you perhaps should reconsider what it means to attack someone.

[VanDraegon]

I hear Dokken all the time on Sirius.



I am curious, what are the aspects of Bioshock that make it an rpg?

[Fluffykeith]

On your comment about "experience" telling you the game will be forgotten in a year...



Baldurs Gate 1 + 2

Icewind Dale

Neverwinter Nights 1 + 2

KOTOR 1 + 2



All not forgotten in a year. All Bioware games. All very succesful, still popular, still regarded as classics (okay, KOTOR 2 could have been a lot better...), and ALL still remembered in the RPG community today.



Experience. It tells me DA:O will join that list.



I'd be very grateful if once, just once, one of the people who comes on the forums ripping into the game would actually go into a bit of detail as to WHY....why do they not like the combat? Why do they not like the dialogue? And so on. It would help there be an actual discussion rather than a whole bunch of childish insults.

[wanderingboxer]

Fluffykeith wrote...

On your comment about "experience" telling you the game will be forgotten in a year...

Baldurs Gate 1 + 2
Icewind Dale
Neverwinter Nights 1 + 2
KOTOR 1 + 2

All not forgotten in a year. All Bioware games. All very succesful, still popular, still regarded as classics (okay, KOTOR 2 could have been a lot better...), and ALL still remembered in the RPG community today.

Experience. It tells me DA:O will join that list.

I'd be very grateful if once, just once, one of the people who comes on the forums ripping into the game would actually go into a bit of detail as to WHY....why do they not like the combat? Why do they not like the dialogue? And so on. It would help there be an actual discussion rather than a whole bunch of childish insults.

With the OP's experience I doubt very much he has even heard of those games,  and for once thats not meant to be a smart ass reply but if he had played any of those he would know what to expect from DA.  And just to be a nitpicky old bastard Icewind Dale NWN 2 and KOTOR 2 arent Bioware games. But great none the less.  Just saying.

Modifié par wanderingboxer, 29 novembre 2009 - 06:13 .

[MerinTB]

fourthrocker wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

Wow this guy's a obvious troll .. He try to belittle people argument before they can even post
*I started to play RPG vefore everyone else*

Than he complain that he wasted his money than claim he drive a 2008 corvette
.. Well if you wasted money somewhere it's on that piece of crap car.

Yeah, what a POS. It only goes 195mph, handles like a dream, gets great mileage, doesn't rust and makes everyone that isn't jealous go WOW. You would only have to spend about $150,000 on anything else just to come close to it and whatever that is rusts and gets half the mileage. It has been unanamously rated as being without equal at almost ANY price, let alone $50,000.

Hyperbole.
True or not (there are lists it's not on for 2008, many that it is - the power of a 30 second google search), it is IRREVLANT to DAO or your topic.
You could own a concorde, that doesn't make your opinion on DAO any better or worse.

You do realize that bragging only makes you seem less reasonable and causes people to disagree with you more, don't you?

Are you trying to make a point, or trying to make people angry?

[Deathstyk85]

when i attack someone, i start out with a flurry, and usually follow up with riposte



but seriously, this thread nor its original poster can be taken seriously.

if you had stuck to your argument, and pointed out your views, and your facts, then you would seem credible

trying to belittle others, and switching the topic to your personal life(wich may or may not be true, this is the internet after all, i could say im actually robert downey jr) wich has nothing to do with the thread, makes you seem as nothing more than trying to get attention.

now if that isnt your goal, then sticking to the point, or something relevant would make you seem otherwise. however from everything weve seen i can say

troll.

[GN-Lelldorianx]

fourthrocker wrote...

Atticus the great wrote...

Who cares what car you drive!!! You're just sad............ very sad.

Just to let all the losers know that I drive a 50,000 dollar car,  (as well as a 20,000 dollar bike) yes very sad indeed lol. What is truly sad is the intelligent responses and the fact that everyone has so little experience with rpg's that they think this game is good (not to mention so little experience with the english language)

I'm sorry, I tried hard to read this, but I couldn't read the entirefreakingsentencewhichhasnopunctuationwithouttakingagiant BREATH. *gasping for air*

I'm happy for you and your car. Glad to know that maxing out creditcards is a hobby of yours. FYI, I drive the best car ever made:

[Mordaedil]

Dear OP.



You are an idiot and a nerd in your mother's basement, barely passed puberty and cannot get a dayjob flipping burgers at McDonalds.



Please wake up.

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Mordaedil wrote...

Dear OP.

You are an idiot and a nerd in your mother's basement, barely passed puberty and cannot get a dayjob flipping burgers at McDonalds.

Please wake up.

Appearently he is not quite the Idiot that you think he is, read what he has written down, as for being an idiot I would have to rate you as one as for coming with such a dekadent comment, I highly suggest that you stop posting on these boards, I really do. lol

I did not know that this board tolerate personal attacks as well as allowing flaming to go on and on and on I vote for locking this thread not due to the op but due to alot of the comments made by the players.

[Romeo Longsword]

MerinTB wrote...

Romeo Longsword wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

I owned and played more games by the time I was 35 than you will in your whole life, and that was 23 years ago.

fourthrocker, can I ask you an absolutely serious question?  It is not intended as an attack or a dig, honest.

If I told you I was 65, and that I had played more games than you had when you were 35 before you were even born -

would that make you accept my opinions as superior to yours?

Would it honestly give my argument any weight to you, and make you reconsider your view, simply based on my age and the number of games I played?  Would you even take that as an "argument from authority" let alone allow a logical fallacy to alter your views?

While we are on that - if I told you that I was a multi-millionaire, and I never drive a care that is more than a year old, would that non-sequiter matter at all to your opinion on DAO?

Honestly?

If I was to answer for him, no, none of thouse things matters at all, but we could try to read between the lines and try to help him to understand the meaning of RPGs. And its not the rocket.

But your comment is attacking.

That may be how you are interpreting it, but it was never my intention.

The checkers thing?  That was mocking calling Resident Evil an RPG.

This was asking him to put the shoe on the other foot, to think for himself if some of his arguments (his age, his gaming experience, his income) would work on him if an older, more-experienced with games, wealthier person argued the opposite of him.  I don't think he'd care about any of those statistics - as they are all irrelevant.

Also, they are all logical fallacies and weaken, not strengthen, his argument.

If he has a point to make, bringing up the price of tea in China or an accusation that someone arguing against him is really an EA employee (no, he's said neither, they are broad examples of irrelevant points) distracts from any real points he'd have to make.

If you call it attacking when someone points out the logical flaws in your arguments, as opposed to someone trying to say he's superior and that others are just wrong (and calling them children unable to be spoken to intelligently) -
then you perhaps should reconsider what it means to attack someone.

You said it yourself, pointing out logical flaws, you are not helping him to understand, you are, pointing out logical flaws in this long thread of his argument. Your post had no intendion to help him but further in your words making him a fool. You could of course, start an argument with me personally about rather your intention was attacking, humulating, or what not, point is that it was more for you to satifary your ego by pick on someone, to "point out the logical flaws" of somebody.

Perhaps you could jon me in reconsidering what it means to attack someone.

[fourthrocker]

Eurypterid wrote...

It's a shame people feel they have to flame you for your opinion, but I'll address a few of your points:

fourthrocker wrote...

This is the worst RPG I have played in a while, since one I played a couple years ago which is virtually identical (and never finished because it sucked too). None of the reviews mention the fact that this game uses the totally unfun system of not actually traveling in the world but clicking on a location on the map and traveling there automatically with a stop in the middle when you are attacked. The big difference in this game is that it uses this method to stop you everywhere and try and sell you more content.

This occurs where? The only content you need to buy at te present time is the Warden's Keep, which is accessed from your party camp. Nowhere else in the game is there advertised content for sale. The Stone Prisoner may have an NPC advertising it, I don't know, but it's free if you bought the game new.

I am sorry, but when I buy a game I expect to get the whole game with the admission price, call me crazy.

You're not crazy, but you did get the whole game. What makes you believe you're missing something integral to the completion of the game out of the box?

Then add to that that the combat systems sucks and the quest system doesn't work and 95% of the game is listenening to conversation.

There are a lot of cut scenes and conversation, yes. But 95% is a blatant exaggeration and more than a bit of hyperbole. I confess it surprises me that you complain about this when you state you liek Mass Effect, which is very similar in that regard.

As to the combat system, that's a completely fair opinion. If you don't like it, you don't like it. Not much anyone can do to convince you it's good.

Most quests give you absolutely no idea where to go. Some say go to the place marked on the map but there isn't a place marked on the map.

There's always a place marked on the world map. In general it will actually have a glowing ring around it as well. Now, if you're talking about an x-marks-the-spot on the area map, that may be a different story. But major quest NPCs do have a symbol hovering over them unless you turn that option off (it should be on by default though, I believe).

some quests have mini-map pointers which works but most don't, even in a city.

I've noticed that some don't seem to show up as well, even if you make them active. This can be annoying, yes, but sometimes it's because you don't have enoughn of the quest components for your next destination to show up or the quest actually spans over a large part of the game and won't be updated until later. Some of the quests are far-reaching. As well, often you can get hints from your journal or related codex entries. But yes, some of them don't seem to want to show up.

Worse, the places on the map aren't named the same as the quest so it's impossible to find anything except by trial and error.

See above. I believe the far-spanning nature of some of them is part of the issue. I'd also dispute the claim that it's 'impossible to find anything except by trial and error'. I'm almost through the game now and have had little trouble finding what I need. There are occasions, as I noted above, but they're few.

Mostly I am mad because reviews don't actually tell you anything about a game or gameplay so i wasted my money on this steaming heap and I don't even get a complete or working game.

There are plenty of reviews out there, and plenty of gameplay videos available. Perhaps you didn't look hard enough. As to not getting a cmplete working game, can you be more specific as to what is missing?

I have been playing rpg's since before most of you were born and this kind of rpg wouldn't even rate a 1 on a scale of 10. It is incomplete, unplayable and it sucks. It wouldn't be so bad if the quest system worked and the combat system didn't suck but if they did this kind of game isn't fun. 

The quest system does work, with some minor exceptions. But there's no need to try to try to bolster your importance by brinigng age into it. I believe you'd be surprised at the wide range of ages of the players on these boards, actually. It's a shame you feel the game sucks, but if you don't like it, you don't like it. There's not a lot that can be done about that. I guess this game just isn't for you.

Thanks for the reply and I'm sorry for some of the things I said. I am not used to moderators actually posting to threads. Most forums the only thing they do is delete posts and lock threads. This game is not a steaming pile and some of the other things I said I shouldn't have either. If some of my posts came off as trolling my apologies for that too but you have to admit some of these replies are pretty ignorant and they set me off.  I feel that what I posted earlier should stay, right or wrong, dumb or dumber, so I am not going to edit it out so i look better. I am what I am, warts and all.

[Forsakerr]

i had an odyssey too , am i cool ? but i dont give a crap about your car,your bike the kind of briefs you wear if you wear a belt with your jeans , wear cowbow boots with shorts , or when you have sandals in your feet you wear wool socks that goes to your knees , what does it have to do with a game ? you like to show your e-peen or what ?



so you hate the game it s not what you thought it was well it sucks , that does not give you the right to go to a forum and WHAAAAAA GAME SUXXOR DIABLOWS AND FAINAL FATAZY WAS BETTOR RPGS



when more than half the stuff you listed are not even the same genre , you dont like it fine troll harder next time



-10/10



oh and my mother shouts louder than yours

[Juggernawt]

fourthrocker wrote...
..handles like a dream, gets great mileage...

..you've quite obviously never driven or owned a real car...

[Fluffykeith]

"And just to be a nitpicky old bastard Icewind Dale NWN 2 and KOTOR 2 arent Bioware games."



Fair enough, I stand corrected. Easy mistake to make though, considering...



Point being that they all have strong similarities to DA:O, and that they haven't disappeared into the mists of time. Actually, I'm getting a hankering to dig them out and replay them XD

[eternalnightmare13]

fourthrocker wrote...

Atticus the great wrote...

Who cares what car you drive!!! You're just sad............ very sad.

Just to let all the losers know that I drive a 50,000 dollar car,  (as well as a 20,000 dollar bike) yes very sad indeed lol. What is truly sad is the intelligent responses and the fact that everyone has so little experience with rpg's that they think this game is good (not to mention so little experience with the english language)

WTF does your supposed car have to do with this game?  

[fourthrocker]

Juggernawt wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...
..handles like a dream, gets great mileage...

..you've quite obviously never driven or owned a real car...

I was going to say the same to you, except you probably never will either if you know so little about Corvettes. The only people who hate Corvettes are the people that know they can't beat one or will never be able to own one.

[Viglin]

fourthrocker wrote...

Juggernawt wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...
..handles like a dream, gets great mileage...

..you've quite obviously never driven or owned a real car...

I was going to say the same to you, except you probably never will either if you know so little about Corvettes. The only people who hate Corvettes are the people that know they can't beat one or will never be able to own one.

I ask again, since now its been about 5 hours...why, if you have such an awesome car...are you here, and not out on the roads?
Or...you know, go play a game you enjoy.

Oh, and to pre-answer your most obvious reply....lm waiting for my wife to stop playing Dragonage so l can.