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[wanderingboxer]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

FYI: RPG's that I think are great. The Gothic series despite the bugs. Demon's Souls. The king's Field series on the PS (especially the Ancient City). Final Fanatasy. Oblivion. Bioshock. Mass Effect. Dungeon Siege. Diablo. Resident Evil. Darkstone. Rune.

I also like RPGs.  Halo was awesome, and so is L4D and do yur remember DOOM?  Awesome RPP....

Tetris was the best RPG ever, playing the role of a brick was extremely immersive.

[Raeper Fawks]

wanderingboxer wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

FYI: RPG's that I think are great. The Gothic series despite the bugs. Demon's Souls. The king's Field series on the PS (especially the Ancient City). Final Fanatasy. Oblivion. Bioshock. Mass Effect. Dungeon Siege. Diablo. Resident Evil. Darkstone. Rune.

I also like RPGs.  Halo was awesome, and so is L4D and do yur remember DOOM?  Awesome RPP....

Tetris was the best RPG ever, playing the role of a brick was extremely immersive.

Pong 3D was a good RPG, the ball had a lot of twists in it's story.

[Loetek]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

FYI: RPG's that I think are great. The Gothic series despite the bugs. Demon's Souls. The king's Field series on the PS (especially the Ancient City). Final Fanatasy. Oblivion. Bioshock. Mass Effect. Dungeon Siege. Diablo. Resident Evil. Darkstone. Rune.

I also like RPGs. 

Rocket propelled grenades are pretty sick. Im pretty sure i can buy one from one of these rag heads over here if you want me to mail you one?

[Zahnfleisch]

Fulgrim88 wrote...



Simple. The reason why it's easy to immerse in sandbox games, is that the character is pretty flat...
Feel free to insert the appropiate ..., Gothic...

The nameless hero in Gothic is anything but flat. I don't see how the mc in DA:O has got more depth.
Actually he doesn't even talk^^.
Sheppard was awesome though.

TES doesnt lack depth, its just that you have to create it yourself.

These game types have totally different concepts and are all great. Which one you like better is personal preference.

[04WigmoreB]

RayearthEA wrote...

what's the point of choosing a voice type when creating a character if he/she is completly mute in the entire game? isn't this the proof that the creators have lost their mind?

I guest some1 will just paste a troll funny picture to response to that, coz that's what the real forum trolls do

You don't seem to take into account just how many lines of dialogue they would need to record for that. You have six voices yes? And then 3 races and 2 sexes, plus I'm sure Commoners would talk differently to Nobles, but anyway lets call it 6 different possible characters, with 6 different voices each. That's 36 different recordings for every single piece of dialogue your character could ever possibly say. That would be a lot of work, would it not?

[MerinTB]

Raeper Fawks wrote...

wanderingboxer wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

FYI: RPG's that I think are great. The Gothic series despite the bugs. Demon's Souls. The king's Field series on the PS (especially the Ancient City). Final Fanatasy. Oblivion. Bioshock. Mass Effect. Dungeon Siege. Diablo. Resident Evil. Darkstone. Rune.

I also like RPGs.  Halo was awesome, and so is L4D and do yur remember DOOM?  Awesome RPP....

Tetris was the best RPG ever, playing the role of a brick was extremely immersive.

Pong 3D was a good RPG, the ball had a lot of twists in it's story.

You guys ever play that one with the board with the grid of alternating colored squares, and it's two players and each side gets pieces to move around, each side a different color as well.
What was that game . . . begins with a c...
ch something ...
no, not chess, that's a stupid game with all the pieces having different movement rules and too much design on what the pieces look like ...
CHECKERS!

That was like the awesomest RPG ever.

Also - Go Fish.  I love RPing some Go Fish.  Totally RPG.  Not like that Hold 'Em Poker crap, with all the different hands and community cards crap - worst RPG before DAO!

[Romeo Longsword]

RayearthEA wrote...

what's the point of choosing a voice type when creating a character if he/she is completly mute in the entire game? isn't this the proof that the creators have lost their mind?

I guest some1 will just paste a troll funny picture to response to that, coz that's what the real forum trolls do

I too am suprised that the main character does not really speak or have any mouth movement during cut sence, but he or she does speak when you click on a box and directing him to open it.

[Spaceweed10]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

FYI: RPG's that I think are great. The Gothic series despite the bugs. Demon's Souls. The king's Field series on the PS (especially the Ancient City). Final Fanatasy. Oblivion. Bioshock. Mass Effect. Dungeon Siege. Diablo. Resident Evil. Darkstone. Rune.

I also like RPGs.  Halo was awesome, and so is L4D and do yur remember DOOM?  Awesome RPP....

You forgot 'Modern Warfare' - I've been looking for a decent sword in that game for fricken ever...

[Romeo Longsword]

rofl @ MerinTB's post

[Fluffykeith]

Forgotten in a year? I seriously doubt it. I know i keep going on and on about Bioware's back catalogue, (Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Neverwinter Nights etc etc), but none of those games were forgotten in a year...like I said, they tend to get listed as some of the best examples of CRPGs available.



You say DA:O will be forgotten...why? Because you don't like it? Your opinion seems contrary to that of most of the players on these forums...



"I owned and played more games by the time I was 35 than you will in your whole life, and that was 23 years ago."

What an amzingly arrogant statement. How can you know how many games that person has played, or will play? You can't, so you just look like your trying to wave your e-peen again.



"what's the point of choosing a voice type when creating a character if he/she is completly mute in the entire game? isn't this the proof that the creators have lost their mind?"



Um, your character isn't mute. They talk when you give them a command, such as to open a box or attack something, and they talk if something goes wrong during a fight or if they're badly wounded. You just dont get to hear them talk during the conversations...thought it would be nice if you could.



"In the PC version? I didn't see that option."

Go to the Options section of the menu, then in the Game tab, look at the drop-down menu called Plot Assistance. And lo and behond, its there....

[Fishy]

Wow this guy's a obvious troll .. He try to belittle people argument before they can even post
*I started to play RPG vefore everyone else*

Than he complain that he wasted his money than claim he drive a 2008 corvette
.. Well if you wasted money somewhere it's on that piece of crap car.

[Spaceweed10]

fourthrocker wrote...

Spaceweed10 wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

1Ghostlogic1 wrote...

Ehem.... Most people on this like the game....
Why else would they waste time on the social site for the game

if you dont like to game
1.) Why the *u*k are you here
2.) This is very similiar to kotor just with places on one continent rather than planets
    a.) if you didnt like that why the f*c* you buy this
3.) Yes there are 1 or 2 bugs but not any that stop enjoyment of game
4.) Why you here complaining ---> if you dont like the game go do something else, perhaps get a life

I am here because I got bored with the game real quick each time I tried to play and because i couldn't post on GameSpot where their reviews in no way prepared me for the RPG I got instead of the one I expected. This thread is more interesting right now and maybe I can get some info from some of the intelligent posts on making the game play better. Which I did.

Why are you here?

Dude, you got 'bored' with the game because you suck at gaming.

N'est pas?

I owned and played more games by the time I was 35 than you will in your whole life, and that was 23 years ago.

Doesn't mean you were any good at them, right?

Seriously, if you can't figure out how to play this game ater 'owning and playing more games...blah, blah' then you DO suck.

Fact.

[Spaceweed10]

wanderingboxer wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

FYI: RPG's that I think are great. The Gothic series despite the bugs. Demon's Souls. The king's Field series on the PS (especially the Ancient City). Final Fanatasy. Oblivion. Bioshock. Mass Effect. Dungeon Siege. Diablo. Resident Evil. Darkstone. Rune.

I also like RPGs.  Halo was awesome, and so is L4D and do yur remember DOOM?  Awesome RPP....

Tetris was the best RPG ever, playing the role of a brick was extremely immersive.

I was the 'L' shaped piece - got motion sickness unfortunately .

[fourthrocker]

Fluffykeith wrote...

Forgotten in a year? I seriously doubt it. I know i keep going on and on about Bioware's back catalogue, (Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Neverwinter Nights etc etc), but none of those games were forgotten in a year...like I said, they tend to get listed as some of the best examples of CRPGs available.

You say DA:O will be forgotten...why? Because you don't like it? Your opinion seems contrary to that of most of the players on these forums...

"I owned and played more games by the time I was 35 than you will in your whole life, and that was 23 years ago."
What an amzingly arrogant statement. How can you know how many games that person has played, or will play? You can't, so you just look like your trying to wave your e-peen again.

"what's the point of choosing a voice type when creating a character if he/she is completly mute in the entire game? isn't this the proof that the creators have lost their mind?"

Um, your character isn't mute. They talk when you give them a command, such as to open a box or attack something, and they talk if something goes wrong during a fight or if they're badly wounded. You just dont get to hear them talk during the conversations...thought it would be nice if you could.

"In the PC version? I didn't see that option."
Go to the Options section of the menu, then in the Game tab, look at the drop-down menu called Plot Assistance. And lo and behond, its there....

1) experience
2) I don't but I know how many I have had, not arrogant it's just that how many people are going to spend thousands of dollars on games and systems?
3) thanks for the tip

[JubalAri]

Sylixe wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

kungfusam wrote...

You fanboys are easy to bait, I mean Resident evil being a better RPG then this?

Best if you let this thread die

Resident Evil 1, and Tomb Raider 1 for that matter, are classics that will be played and remembered long after this game is forgotten (which will be next year). And in both of them you play a single character where you explore a world and uncover a background story which is about as RPG as it gets. It's YOU people who don't know what an RPG is.

Resident Evil will always be a classic because it was the first to break ground in that genre.  Tomb Raider however doesn't hold a candle to anything then or now.  However if you want to see what the first real Computer RPG's were i suggest trying out some old Bard's Tale, Pool of Radiance and the first Elder scrolls; The Arena. 

The only reason you want those arrows pointing out the quests for you is because you have been playing WoW way to long and don't realise before they started holding your hand you actually had to explore and discover the quests.  Doing quests was supposed to be a grand adventure but now they are just a pit stop along the path of the game that just advance you a level.

It was actually Alone in the Dark that pioneered that type of gameplay. Resident Evil just improved on the mechanics.

Tomb Raider is a completely different game as it's a platformer (although a well camoflaged one) and as such they can't really be compared. The one thing they do have in common is that they both launched in 1996.

Neither game belongs in this debate, though, as they are not RPGs.

*edit*
Nice one on the WoW argument and I'm not being sarcastic. I am also baffled by fourthrockers obvious ignorance.

Bard'sTale, all the early AD&D games, and Arena (never had so much fun getting lost) and Daggerfall are still oodles of fun to play. Another thing is that the two latter are now completely free, courtesy of Bethesda's goodwill.

Modifié par JubalAri, 29 novembre 2009 - 05:52 .

[Eurypterid]

It's a shame people feel they have to flame you for your opinion, but I'll address a few of your points:

fourthrocker wrote...

This is the worst RPG I have played in a while, since one I played a couple years ago which is virtually identical (and never finished because it sucked too). None of the reviews mention the fact that this game uses the totally unfun system of not actually traveling in the world but clicking on a location on the map and traveling there automatically with a stop in the middle when you are attacked. The big difference in this game is that it uses this method to stop you everywhere and try and sell you more content.

This occurs where? The only content you need to buy at te present time is the Warden's Keep, which is accessed from your party camp. Nowhere else in the game is there advertised content for sale. The Stone Prisoner may have an NPC advertising it, I don't know, but it's free if you bought the game new.

I am sorry, but when I buy a game I expect to get the whole game with the admission price, call me crazy.

You're not crazy, but you did get the whole game. What makes you believe you're missing something integral to the completion of the game out of the box?

Then add to that that the combat systems sucks and the quest system doesn't work and 95% of the game is listenening to conversation.

There are a lot of cut scenes and conversation, yes. But 95% is a blatant exaggeration and more than a bit of hyperbole. I confess it surprises me that you complain about this when you state you liek Mass Effect, which is very similar in that regard.

As to the combat system, that's a completely fair opinion. If you don't like it, you don't like it. Not much anyone can do to convince you it's good.

Most quests give you absolutely no idea where to go. Some say go to the place marked on the map but there isn't a place marked on the map.

There's always a place marked on the world map. In general it will actually have a glowing ring around it as well. Now, if you're talking about an x-marks-the-spot on the area map, that may be a different story. But major quest NPCs do have a symbol hovering over them unless you turn that option off (it should be on by default though, I believe).

some quests have mini-map pointers which works but most don't, even in a city.

I've noticed that some don't seem to show up as well, even if you make them active. This can be annoying, yes, but sometimes it's because you don't have enoughn of the quest components for your next destination to show up or the quest actually spans over a large part of the game and won't be updated until later. Some of the quests are far-reaching. As well, often you can get hints from your journal or related codex entries. But yes, some of them don't seem to want to show up.

Worse, the places on the map aren't named the same as the quest so it's impossible to find anything except by trial and error.

See above. I believe the far-spanning nature of some of them is part of the issue. I'd also dispute the claim that it's 'impossible to find anything except by trial and error'. I'm almost through the game now and have had little trouble finding what I need. There are occasions, as I noted above, but they're few.

Mostly I am mad because reviews don't actually tell you anything about a game or gameplay so i wasted my money on this steaming heap and I don't even get a complete or working game.

There are plenty of reviews out there, and plenty of gameplay videos available. Perhaps you didn't look hard enough. As to not getting a cmplete working game, can you be more specific as to what is missing?

I have been playing rpg's since before most of you were born and this kind of rpg wouldn't even rate a 1 on a scale of 10. It is incomplete, unplayable and it sucks. It wouldn't be so bad if the quest system worked and the combat system didn't suck but if they did this kind of game isn't fun. 

The quest system does work, with some minor exceptions. But there's no need to try to try to bolster your importance by brinigng age into it. I believe you'd be surprised at the wide range of ages of the players on these boards, actually. It's a shame you feel the game sucks, but if you don't like it, you don't like it. There's not a lot that can be done about that. I guess this game just isn't for you.

[MerinTB]

fourthrocker wrote...

I owned and played more games by the time I was 35 than you will in your whole life, and that was 23 years ago.

fourthrocker, can I ask you an absolutely serious question?  It is not intended as an attack or a dig, honest.

If I told you I was 65, and that I had played more games than you had when you were 35 before you were even born -

would that make you accept my opinions as superior to yours?

Would it honestly give my argument any weight to you, and make you reconsider your view, simply based on my age and the number of games I played?  Would you even take that as an "argument from authority" let alone allow a logical fallacy to alter your views?

While we are on that - if I told you that I was a multi-millionaire, and I never drive a care that is more than a year old, would that non-sequiter matter at all to your opinion on DAO?

Honestly?

[Eurypterid]

Oh, and a note to all of you fans out there: just because someone expresses a dislike for the game does not give you an excuse to start name calling and flaming. That's against the rules here. If you don't want to appear to be a troll yourself, then address other peoples' posts in a more civil manner.

[Darth-Rinoa]

wanderingboxer wrote...

Resident Evil will always be a classic................................. ADVENTURE/SURVIVAL HORROR GAME!!!!

Tomb Raider will always be a classic..........................................ACTION/ADVENTURE Game

Next thing you will be calling Legend of Zelda an RPG(which is a pet hate of mine) All 3 games are some of the best games ever made but not 1 of them is an RPG.

Lol Zelda, that is so in the action/adventure genre, one fo my favourite RPGs is Pokemon

[orpheus333]

Christ he is allowed to hate the game guys. Why he would feel the need to come and tell everyone about it is beyond me and personally ,from the point of view of someone old enough to be his (if you believe him that is) son, very very sad.

Modifié par andyr1986, 29 novembre 2009 - 05:47 .

[fourthrocker]

Spaceweed10 wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

Spaceweed10 wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

1Ghostlogic1 wrote...

Ehem.... Most people on this like the game....
Why else would they waste time on the social site for the game

if you dont like to game
1.) Why the *u*k are you here
2.) This is very similiar to kotor just with places on one continent rather than planets
    a.) if you didnt like that why the f*c* you buy this
3.) Yes there are 1 or 2 bugs but not any that stop enjoyment of game
4.) Why you here complaining ---> if you dont like the game go do something else, perhaps get a life

I am here because I got bored with the game real quick each time I tried to play and because i couldn't post on GameSpot where their reviews in no way prepared me for the RPG I got instead of the one I expected. This thread is more interesting right now and maybe I can get some info from some of the intelligent posts on making the game play better. Which I did.

Why are you here?

Dude, you got 'bored' with the game because you suck at gaming.

N'est pas?

I owned and played more games by the time I was 35 than you will in your whole life, and that was 23 years ago.

Doesn't mean you were any good at them, right?

Seriously, if you can't figure out how to play this game ater 'owning and playing more games...blah, blah' then you DO suck.

Fact.

I would rather suck than be stupid, luckily I am neither. How do you infer from my complaints about not liking the game that I can't figure it out Sherlock? Because I am too lazy to find the quest points by trial and error and I **** about it doesn't mean I can't do it. Facts aren't always facts my young and inexperienced friend, what you think are facts when you are 20 you will shake your head about when you are 40, that's if you are smart enough to learn as you get older which, unfortunately, most people don't. Watch out for that Darwin award.

Modifié par fourthrocker, 29 novembre 2009 - 05:49 .

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Personally here I would really had liked more actual traveling... and more areas to head into... after getting through the game a couple of times here then it seem rather boring..



And yes I have played most of the old stuff as well, also I would refrain from personal attacks in which I see alot of in this post, in which in my idealogy seem very childish and the likes.



Really Dragon Age could had used some more zass, some more options as well such as adding multiplayer would be a nice feature at least for the PC users... upping the texture quality.. so the PC's really can showoff there glory of hardcore graphics compared to consoles that is.



Alot of more zones between the actual places, crafting options... ways to enchant armor and items as well would be nice, as well as something as in being able to design your armor that you are wearing and the likes of that.



Don't get me wrong though... I started playing RPG games back in 1988 with Eye of the Beholder series... later on moved onto Planescape Torment... baldurs gate... BG2... Icewind Dale... Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 and whatsoever else, the best system of RPG ever though was in the first Neverwinter Nights, it really worked out nicely and you had like many options and the likes once one got used to it of course... it made that game golden in those days and yet it still is.



It is not a matter of making the game simple, maybe on the console platform, but for the PC platform keep it complex and challenging give us something to work with, huge lack of customization in this game.



But I still like playing it, but hoping they would make it much better with future upgrades.

[Fulgrim88]

Zahnfleisch wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...



Simple. The reason why it's easy to immerse in sandbox games, is that the character is pretty flat...
Feel free to insert the appropiate ..., Gothic...

The nameless hero in Gothic is anything but flat. .

He is.

I know it sounded like a rant, but don't get me wrong there. Gothic 1 is one of my favourite RPGs of all time, because of it's awesome immersion. However, this is only possible because the hero is tabula rasa.
He's quick-witted, but that's about it. He has no background, no mind of his own (like you would get from different upbringings, for example). For all his likeability, he's just [a guy], from [somewhere outside] killing [Minecrawlers] to save [the colony]. He might be anybody, he might be you or me.
He's not the second son of the deceased dwarven king, going to Orzammar to confront his treacherous brother, to compare it with DA:O. I'm sure you can see the difference.

TES doesnt lack depth, its just that you have to create it yourself.

Which makes for a better immersion (for the reasons mentioned above), but a weaker story.
It's truly up to us, which we like better - i like both;)

[PT.Vohnsen]

fourthrocker wrote...

PT.Vohnsen wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

PT.Vohnsen wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

Resident Evil 1, and Tomb Raider 1 for that matter, are classics that will be played and remembered long after this game is forgotten (which will be next year).

Next year? I see...

You think this game will not be forgotten after next year? Reminds me of one day in college back around 85. The kid sitting next to me was writing Dokken on his desktop for a while, a real fanboy. I told him Dokken would be totally forgotten in a couple years. He was outraged. When was the last time anyone heard Dokken on the radio? LOL

Dont come here with " I am rubber, you are glue".

Lol, you are so funny when you try to be serious.

And you have your computer specs as your signature for what reason? Talk about the kettle calling the pot a name (black in case you're too young to have heard that or ever read a book).

My reasons for that is simple.
It makes it more easy for others to understand why i run the game the way i do. Problems, graphic settings etc.
Are you really that new to forums??? lol.

If you really think I am that young, then you are greatly mistaken, like you are with nearly everything else you write.

C'mon, was that your best shot?

[Romeo Longsword]

MerinTB wrote...

fourthrocker wrote...

I owned and played more games by the time I was 35 than you will in your whole life, and that was 23 years ago.

fourthrocker, can I ask you an absolutely serious question?  It is not intended as an attack or a dig, honest.

If I told you I was 65, and that I had played more games than you had when you were 35 before you were even born -

would that make you accept my opinions as superior to yours?

Would it honestly give my argument any weight to you, and make you reconsider your view, simply based on my age and the number of games I played?  Would you even take that as an "argument from authority" let alone allow a logical fallacy to alter your views?

While we are on that - if I told you that I was a multi-millionaire, and I never drive a care that is more than a year old, would that non-sequiter matter at all to your opinion on DAO?

Honestly?

If I was to answer for him, no, none of thouse things matters at all, but we could try to read between the lines and try to help him to understand the meaning of RPGs. And its not the rocket.

But your comment is attacking.