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[Visii]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

EDIT: As to Liara being a darling, yeah I can see that, but will I apologize for it? no, as no other character fan would either if the shoe was on the other foot. It just so happens that in this trilogy Liara is an important character that you can just so happen to fall in love with and experience THE greatest romance with. I cannot and will not apologize for that. Do I sympathize? not really. It is a story and in stories, there is normally no fairness with characters. Some die, some are more callous than others, some can have babies, some can't, others move on. That is part of what makes stories great, variety. If everyone was like Liara, then it wouldn't have been a story, let alone Shepards story. 

Did I ask you to apologize for it? No. You're the one who suggested that DLC might make things more palatable for those who romanced a ME2 LI, despite the fact that the chances of anyone but Liara getting a DLC are virtually non-existent.

The rest of your edit, specifically some nonsense about there "normally being no fairness with characters" is just too sweeping, vague and nonsensical to address. You also might want to make a decision as to whether or not you sympathize or not; after coming on to a thread and proclaming you don't feel sorry for anyone, only to take it back a post later, only to reaffirm it in the following post, well... you're like a drunken, schizophrenic homeless man.

Modifié par Visii, 19 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[DigitalMaster37]

Visii wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

EDIT: As to Liara being a darling, yeah I can see that, but will I apologize for it? no, as no other character fan would either if the shoe was on the other foot. It just so happens that in this trilogy Liara is an important character that you can just so happen to fall in love with and experience THE greatest romance with. I cannot and will not apologize for that. Do I sympathize? not really. It is a story and in stories, there is normally no fairness with characters. Some die, some are more callous than others, some can have babies, some can't, others move on. That is part of what makes stories great, variety. If everyone was like Liara, then it wouldn't have been a story, let alone Shepards story. 

Did I ask you to apologize for it? No. You're the one who suggested that DLC might things more palatable for those who romanced a ME2 LI, despite the fact that anyone but Liara getting a DLC wouldn't happen.

The rest of your edit, specifically some nonsense about there "normally being no fairness with characters" is just too sweeping, vague and nonsensical to address. You also might want to make a decision as to whether or not you sympathize or not; after coming on to a thread and proclaming you don't feel sorry for anyone, only to take it back a post later, only to reaffirm it in the following post, well... you're like a drunken, schizophrenic homeless man.

Oooh, such harsh words, I'm getting all fuzzy inside. First of all, calm down, it is not that serious, and if it is then okay, take a step back and... calm down for a sec. 

If you read my words right, I am saying that I am sympathetic to the romances that have been finalized "per se". Other than that, I DO NOT feel any remorse or sympathy for other ME2 LIs. 

Garrus has a great romance
Tali's is decent
Miranda's is decent

So no there is nothing to feel bad about with those. 

I haven't switched, I just retracted my wide sweeping stance, that is all. At first I said "All ME2 romances" a thread later I retracted and named the ones I could care less about. That is all. Far from a schizophrenic homeless man. 

BTW, I have to ask, where did the "homeless" part come from?? I mean I understand your mad, but really? Homeless??  

Sorry for making light of the situation, but I think your a tad upset... Might want to step away for a while. 

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 19 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[Made Nightwing]

IsaacShep wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...
Isaac, you have done your usual thing and gone completely over the top in your accustomed self-righteous manner.

Truth hurts.

Made Nightwing wrote...
Kaidan, who is established as something of a lady's man

Yes yes especially since the only relationship of his we know about is a teenage crush from 15 years before ME1

Made Nightwing wrote...
Essentially, I've always had an issue with characters being 'Shepard sexual', and I'm not alone on that front.

Yet I don't see you complaining when characters completly disregard Shepard actions even if they're in complete opposition to their prsonal moral standards. That's 'Shepard sexual' too, in much worse way considering how much bigger role moral decisions play in this franchise. But you and everyone else are totally fine with that, but complain about 'teh bi'. Seriously.

You assume that I am offended by your tone? Again with the self righteousness.

Glib remarks about Liara and the asari throughought ME1, glib remarks about EDI's body in ME3, glib remarks about the Ardat-Yakshi. Yet not one remark about men? Sorry, it just doesn't stick. If you could find me one remark of his about men (other than M!Shep) that would even hint that he swings both ways out of the romance dialogue, then I'd be satisfied it's not just something out of left field.

On the contrary, nothing irritates me more than the ME2 characters who support keeping the base reversing their positions and say that destroying it is the right choice. Neither does Jacob's apparent desertion of a romanced FemShep seem legit. Their are many things that some characters do which seem out of synch with what they've done and said. Kaidan's bi-sexuality is one of them. Hell, if I'm being honest, it's a very minor one, but this is a thread about romance discussions and I was asked for my opinion, so I gave it.

[Karrie788]

Am I happy about the Garrus romance? Hell yeah. It made me smile, giggle, and tear up. I got a dipsmooch. I got a healthy relationship based on absolute trust and love. It made up for the endings. Almost.

But I can definitely understand the anger of other fans. We clearly got a preferential treatment.

[frustratemyself]

I'm very happy with Kaidans and what I've seen of Garrus' so far is very sweet. I think I'm going to be very disappointed though when I import my Jacob-mance from the teeny weeny cameos the ME2 romances seem to be getting :\\

[Visii]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


Oooh, such harsh words, I'm getting all fuzzy inside. First of all, calm down, it is not that serious, and if it is then okay, take a step back and... calm down for a sec. 

If you read my words right, I am saying that I am sympathetic to the romances that have been finalized "per se". Other than that, I DO NOT feel any remorse or sympathy for other ME2 LIs. 

Garrus has a great romance
Tali's is decent
Miranda's is decent

So no there is nothing to feel bad about with those. 

I haven't switched, I just retracted my wide sweeping stance, that is all. At first I said "All ME2 romances" a thread later I retracted and named the ones I could care less about. That is all. Far from a schizophrenic homeless man. 

BTW, I have to ask, where did the "homeless" part come from?? I mean I understand your mad, but really? Homeless??  

Sorry for making light of the situation, but I think your a tad upset... Might want to step away for a while. 

Oh, more bored and angry than upset, truth be told.

Perhaps if you think before you post, you would avoid censure and evade being likened to a schizophrenic homeless man... whatever that means.

[TheGunslinger]

I'm very happy with the Liara romance, they did it very well.

[TheMarshal]

Well yes, I am happy with the romance, but then again I romanced Liara, and her romance clearly was (unfairly) favored over the ME2 romances.

Likes:
- The shared moment of tenderness when first running into her on Mars.
- The "flatterer" remark and playful smooch.
- The talk about running off to some uncharted world to live out the rest of their lives in peace.

Dislikes:
- Having to effectively re-affirm the romance.
- Twice.
- The limited number of other times when the romance is acknowledged.

Granted, the last one is kind of my gripe for EVERY romance, but it's a video game where you get to choose your romantic interest, so what are you gonna do?

[DigitalMaster37]

Visii wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


Oooh, such harsh words, I'm getting all fuzzy inside. First of all, calm down, it is not that serious, and if it is then okay, take a step back and... calm down for a sec. 

If you read my words right, I am saying that I am sympathetic to the romances that have been finalized "per se". Other than that, I DO NOT feel any remorse or sympathy for other ME2 LIs. 

Garrus has a great romance
Tali's is decent
Miranda's is decent

So no there is nothing to feel bad about with those. 

I haven't switched, I just retracted my wide sweeping stance, that is all. At first I said "All ME2 romances" a thread later I retracted and named the ones I could care less about. That is all. Far from a schizophrenic homeless man. 

BTW, I have to ask, where did the "homeless" part come from?? I mean I understand your mad, but really? Homeless??  

Sorry for making light of the situation, but I think your a tad upset... Might want to step away for a while. 

Oh, more bored and angry than upset, truth be told.

Perhaps if you think before you post, you would avoid censure and evade being likened to a schizophrenic homeless man... whatever that means.

I always think before I post and I really wouldn't take anything back other than what I already specified. 

I am still scratching my head though on that homeless comment. I mean that just came off the top of your head yes?

...for heavens sake, don't answer that, it might make this thread even more amusing.

[Made Nightwing]

Delta must be the richest homeless guy in the world to be able to afford Mass Effect 3 and internet access.

[DigitalMaster37]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Delta must be the richest homeless guy in the world to be able to afford Mass Effect 3 and internet access.

Right, I am still trying to figure out if (given his accusations would be true) how am I replying right now. I mean I guess I could camp out at a Tim Hortons and look for a jack outside... 

But then why if I am homeless wouldn't I have sold my PC by now??? Hell, how did I get to Tim Hortons?? 

I guess I am living in a dream world. 

[Visii]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Visii wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


Oooh, such harsh words, I'm getting all fuzzy inside. First of all, calm down, it is not that serious, and if it is then okay, take a step back and... calm down for a sec. 

If you read my words right, I am saying that I am sympathetic to the romances that have been finalized "per se". Other than that, I DO NOT feel any remorse or sympathy for other ME2 LIs. 

Garrus has a great romance
Tali's is decent
Miranda's is decent

So no there is nothing to feel bad about with those. 

I haven't switched, I just retracted my wide sweeping stance, that is all. At first I said "All ME2 romances" a thread later I retracted and named the ones I could care less about. That is all. Far from a schizophrenic homeless man. 

BTW, I have to ask, where did the "homeless" part come from?? I mean I understand your mad, but really? Homeless??  

Sorry for making light of the situation, but I think your a tad upset... Might want to step away for a while. 

Oh, more bored and angry than upset, truth be told.

Perhaps if you think before you post, you would avoid censure and evade being likened to a schizophrenic homeless man... whatever that means.

I always think before I post and I really wouldn't take anything back other than what I already specified. 

I am still scratching my head though on that homeless comment. I mean that just came off the top of your head yes?

...for heavens sake, don't answer that, it might make this thread even more amusing.

"I always think before I post and I really wouldn't take aything back other than what I already specified."

...



But yeah. Homeless, drunken man babbling incoherently was the first thing that came to mind. Bored and angry here; was supposed to spend spring break enjoying ME3; then all my LI's died, disappeared or turned evil, and then the endings retroactively ruined ME3, ME2 and ME1.

[DigitalMaster37]

Visii wrote...

snip

You definitely get points for originality, but in the making sense department, Oh boy...

Other than that, I will leave you to your misery. Good luck with that. No offense

[gearseffect]

Let the record be know that up till about Mid-Feb I was a Liara fan and defended BW's treatment of her and claimed stupid naive things like the VS didn't get shafted in ME2 over Liara.

God how stupidly blind I was. I found a video of early ME2 presentation where Casey H. was saying that whoever the players ME1 LI was would be found oh Ilium, if it was no one it would be Liara.
Opps?

Now after played ME3 and all, I got sick of everytime I turned around Liara was right there "Shepard look at this"
In fact this made me so sick I dumped Liara in my first (and at this point only full play through of the game) and hooked up with some chick that was supposed to be Ashley but really didn't look like the Ashley I knew.

Yeah that's pretty bad. I sickened with the treatment Thane got and not as a LI as one of the coolest characters in the series.

I was sick over the greatly reduced roles Kasumi and Zaeed had. They both had huge parts in the leak given in the leaked scripts.

And for you Liara fans did you know that there was a sizable amount of Liara got cut out with Kasumi? Because there was. Thessia fell and you were able to talk to Liara about it, and find a way to retake Thessia and Kasumi had a huge role in that. All Kasmi's stuff got cut and reduced to the point it turned into a small side mission on the Citadel. And along with Kasumi's stuff Thessia and Liara stuff got cut.

Next Jack got cut and she got hardly any time.

Samara's role stayed about the same it was always very small.

Thane's role got expanded to include his death by Kai.

Miranda got a good role. Not sure if anything was cut from her or not as I really didn't give a Sh!t about her so I never looked at her leaked scripts. But she still had the the biggest role out of the ME2 romances.

Am I happy with it hell NO. In fact I remember BW telling fans that were upset about the roles of Thane, Jacob T. Jack, and Samara roles in the leaked scripts that it would be ok those were early scripts they changed things.
Um what did they change? Chopping more away?
Sorry but I liked many of the ME2 cast more than the ME1 cast, and frankly half way into ME3 I wanted to be able to kill Liara, as I was sick of having her shoved in my face every time I looked.

[DigitalMaster37]

gearseffect wrote...

Let the record be know that up till about Mid-Feb I was a Liara fan and defended BW's treatment of her and claimed stupid naive things like the VS didn't get shafted in ME2 over Liara.

God how stupidly blind I was. I found a video of early ME2 presentation where Casey H. was saying that whoever the players ME1 LI was would be found oh Ilium, if it was no one it would be Liara.
Opps?

Now after played ME3 and all, I got sick of everytime I turned around Liara was right there "Shepard look at this"
In fact this made me so sick I dumped Liara in my first (and at this point only full play through of the game) and hooked up with some chick that was supposed to be Ashley but really didn't look like the Ashley I knew.

Yeah that's pretty bad. I sickened with the treatment Thane got and not as a LI as one of the coolest characters in the series.

I was sick over the greatly reduced roles Kasumi and Zaeed had. They both had huge parts in the leak given in the leaked scripts.

And for you Liara fans did you know that there was a sizable amount of Liara got cut out with Kasumi? Because there was. Thessia fell and you were able to talk to Liara about it, and find a way to retake Thessia and Kasumi had a huge role in that. All Kasmi's stuff got cut and reduced to the point it turned into a small side mission on the Citadel. And along with Kasumi's stuff Thessia and Liara stuff got cut.

Next Jack got cut and she got hardly any time.

Samara's role stayed about the same it was always very small.

Thane's role got expanded to include his death by Kai.

Miranda got a good role. Not sure if anything was cut from her or not as I really didn't give a Sh!t about her so I never looked at her leaked scripts. But she still had the the biggest role out of the ME2 romances.

Am I happy with it hell NO. In fact I remember BW telling fans that were upset about the roles of Thane, Jacob T. Jack, and Samara roles in the leaked scripts that it would be ok those were early scripts they changed things.
Um what did they change? Chopping more away?
Sorry but I liked many of the ME2 cast more than the ME1 cast, and frankly half way into ME3 I wanted to be able to kill Liara, as I was sick of having her shoved in my face every time I looked.

I have a tissue for your issue. *passes said tissue*

My only question is why attack Liara for it? 

I've always been curious about that one? Does it give you comfort?

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 19 mars 2012 - 02:02 .

[gearseffect]

Visii wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Visii wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


Oooh, such harsh words, I'm getting all fuzzy inside. First of all, calm down, it is not that serious, and if it is then okay, take a step back and... calm down for a sec. 

If you read my words right, I am saying that I am sympathetic to the romances that have been finalized "per se". Other than that, I DO NOT feel any remorse or sympathy for other ME2 LIs. 

Garrus has a great romance
Tali's is decent
Miranda's is decent

So no there is nothing to feel bad about with those. 

I haven't switched, I just retracted my wide sweeping stance, that is all. At first I said "All ME2 romances" a thread later I retracted and named the ones I could care less about. That is all. Far from a schizophrenic homeless man. 

BTW, I have to ask, where did the "homeless" part come from?? I mean I understand your mad, but really? Homeless??  

Sorry for making light of the situation, but I think your a tad upset... Might want to step away for a while. 

Oh, more bored and angry than upset, truth be told.

Perhaps if you think before you post, you would avoid censure and evade being likened to a schizophrenic homeless man... whatever that means.

I always think before I post and I really wouldn't take anything back other than what I already specified. 

I am still scratching my head though on that homeless comment. I mean that just came off the top of your head yes?

...for heavens sake, don't answer that, it might make this thread even more amusing.

"I always think before I post and I really wouldn't take aything back other than what I already specified."

...



But yeah. Homeless, drunken man babbling incoherently was the first thing that came to mind. Bored and angry here; was supposed to spend spring break enjoying ME3; then all my LI's died, disappeared or turned evil, and then the endings retroactively ruined ME3, ME2 and ME1.

I afree with everything Visii said.

ME3 destroyed all my hopes and dreams. All my favorite LI's could end up dead, many in very teastless ways, by simply throwing them away if you don't find them and talk to them.

Frankly I'm sick of Liara, she's the only one in the series that can never die. I want to kill her but can't. Not that it matters much any more as I can write a better fanfic ME3 than what the game was, and I can kill Liara in it and make the story better.

[j.8493]

I still want Samara to be a romance option =/

[mnomaha]

Ugh @Squeee...very few of the ME2 romances actually had time to screw.

However, I did get an extremely awful, tasteless, rude makeout scene with Thane in the middle of the hospital. Yeah, not feeling the love. At all.

But then again, after they murdered Thane, all the ME1 romanceables start sniffing around Shep like varrens in heat. Too bad mechdog didn't have a purpose because I would have totally send him after them.

[darthnick427]

Liara and Garrus are my favorites as far as the romances go.

[NekOoNinja]

Karrie788 wrote...

Am I happy about the Garrus romance? Hell yeah. It made me smile, giggle, and tear up. I got a dipsmooch. I got a healthy relationship based on absolute trust and love. It made up for the endings. Almost.

But I can definitely understand the anger of other fans. We clearly got a preferential treatment.

This. The romance was everything I imagined it would be. And honestly... without Garrus' support, I wouldn't have been able to finish the game. I felt Shepard's burden, how it dragged her down - it dragged me down. And then, from al lthe sudden, Garrus invites her to a picnic date.... still replaying this save over and over. It's...cathartic.


That being said, I  felt especially enraged when they used a Stock photo for Tali. There is so much awesome fan art out there, this is a downright insult to Tali lovers.

Modifié par NekOoNinja, 19 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[Armass81]

Jacobs was the worst. They made him cheat on you... why would you do that?

[shepskisaac]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Glib remarks about Liara and the asari throughought ME1, glib remarks about EDI's body in ME3, glib remarks about the Ardat-Yakshi. Yet not one remark about men?

You pretend you still don't get it. There's next to nothing for him to comment on. Again, tell us where are male equivalents of Ardat-Yakshi, Asari and EDI or any situations with male sexuality and looks at the center of the topic he could to comment on? Where are the situation in this franchise where ANYONE can comment on "ohh how sexy hot this female/female sex concept" is? Kaidan doesn't make unrelated off-hand remakrs on women, he comments on situation and concepts that arise throughour the story. Almost nothing that centers on male looks/sexuality arises in the story.

Made Nightwing wrote...
Sorry, it just doesn't stick. If you could find me one remark of his about men (other than M!Shep) that would even hint that he swings both ways out of the romance dialogue, then I'd be satisfied it's not just something out of left field.

In ME1, when FemShep can't decide between Liara (a woman) or Kaidan (a man), he says: "A heart's a complex thing, Shepard. Yeah, I could blame you for indecision. But you think I've never been pulled in two directions?". In ME3 if FemShep cheated with Jacob, Kaidan says "So, that was Jacob Taylor on Gellix? Well, at least I wasn't thrown over for some volus accountant. Knowing you have some taste makes it sting less." Good enough?

Made Nightwing wrote...
On the contrary, nothing irritates me more than the ME2 characters who support keeping the base reversing their positions and say that destroying it is the right choice. Neither does Jacob's apparent desertion of a romanced FemShep seem legit. Their are many things that some characters do which seem out of synch with what they've done and said. Kaidan's bi-sexuality is one of them. Hell, if I'm being honest, it's a very minor one, but this is a thread about romance discussions and I was asked for my opinion, so I gave it.

But I never see you or other "nooooo bi!!!" people complaining about those other things. You only seem to get active when it's about characters not being heterosexual.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 19 mars 2012 - 02:54 .