Only did Tali and little bit of Garrus and Ashley so far.
So far, I'm happy.
Are you happy with the Romances?
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#127
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 03:23
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Only did Garrus romance, was very, very happy with it.
Couldn't go with the Thane romance import. That FShep wouldn't had anyone after his passing as Kaidan laid dead in his Virmire tomb and she wasn't into women.
Couldn't go with the Thane romance import. That FShep wouldn't had anyone after his passing as Kaidan laid dead in his Virmire tomb and she wasn't into women.
#128
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 03:31
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I definitely agree that some LIs got better treatment than others, but overall I've been pleased with the one's I've experienced so far.
Kaidan's was good, and I felt it was pretty character appropriate. You got to experience a pretty good mix of both his serious side and the more joking side that he mostly seems to show only to Shep and his close friends/comrades. The date and the goodbye were very touching, and I thought the scene right before the Cerberus base was both right for the characters and really showed both how far the relationship had come and how far Kaidan personally had come. The relationship essentially went from a sort of awkward "I want this but I don't want it to get in the way" kind of thing in ME to the sort of "Let's just take a moment for ourselves while we still can" thing we see in ME3, and seemed like a logical and realistic progression.
I'm really just starting my Garrus playthrough, but I'm obviously loving what I've seen so far. Very cute, and very satisfying in its awkwardness. It kind of... acknowledges that this is not a relationship either of them necessarily expected, while still showing how obviously important it is to them both. So much sap... but of the most awesome, heartwarming variety.
I've started a playthrough of my character that's romanced Liara faithfully since ME, but not gotten very far. Although again, just from seeing her friendship stuff it's pretty obviously going to have a fair bit of depth. I did/do hate having to reaffirm the relationship again (especially after doing so in LotSB) but, eh. I've always seen Liara as the Asari equivalent of teenager anyway, so it kind of makes sense... she maybe needs that validation more than other characters. I did get a little tired of having her shoved in my face every two seconds when I didn't romance her, but eh - I can live with it. Devs are allowed to have favourites too, and she is pretty much the only character that Shep has known for any length of time that's guarenteed to be alive in ME3, so I can see where using her to provide a sense of friendship/support/companionship for Shep regardless of LI status makes sense.
And I know I'm by far and away in the minority on this one, but I actually really liked Thane's romance in ME3. It would've been to see more of him/have more unique conversations with him, but I still found what I did get satisfying. I wasn't as bothered by Shep's stoicism in the face of his death or the new crew not mentioning it as most people (in fact, I find it pretty appropriate), but I can agree that it would've been nice for at least those who definitely had reason to know of him/about the relationship to mention it at least once. I can understand why they might not, and because of that I'm pretty fine with it - but I wouldn't necessarily have objected to them doing it, either. And I agree that everyone else suddenly hitting on you immediately after the fact is kind of upsetting/callous. And not getting to see him in the flashback was just awful. That much, at least, they could and completely should have done.
I didn't really romance anyone else (one M!Shep for Jack, which I probably will import) so I can't really speak to the handling of any other characters from personal experience. I know the ME2 LIs all kind of got shafted in terms of both time and quality. But I also have to agree with those who point out that it would be a little hard to do anything else given just how many LIs they had to try and deal with in this game. It doesn't excuse them for handling them poorly; but it does kind of explain it. Just seeing Jack as a friend made me want to import the playthrough where I romanced her though, even though people say you don't get much more than what you see as a friend, because I feel that it would be very satisfying for Shep just to see how much she's grown and that she's in a much happier place mentally/emotionally now. It kind of... validates the whole relationship in the way that only helping those you love can. I liked Miri's role in the game overall, but I can't say anything about the LI relationship specifically. Tali... eh. I never have been the biggest Tali fan, and the stock photo thing does suck, but part of me feels that just like JAck, she gets one of the best relationships in some ways because you can genuinely do something to help her by giving her back her homeworld. The game's ending kind of... invalidates that, but taken as it is until then, it's an incredible thing to be able to do for someone you love. Jacob... eh. Poor Jacob fans. There is no way around the fact that they just got screwed. But, at the risk of being crucified, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that for me, at least, the way that all ended/played out felt logical. One of the reasons I never romanced Jacob in ME2 (I did it once but reverted to an earlier save after I save the scene before the relay) was the fact that it never really felt like a relationship so much as a fling/stress relief/one-night-stand. All throughout the game, it seemed pretty obvious that he still had a thing for Miri - and he kept Shep very distant/very "friends only". So, I didn't really expect lasting commitment from him, and his culmination scene just confirmed that for me. In which case, yeah: the treatment of the relationship in ME3 sucked. But it also kind of made sense.
As to the general complaints that there weren't enough differences between friendships with the LIs and romances with the LIs... eh. I'm largely of the opinion that romantic relationships have to be friendships first and foremost in order to work out long term, so it seemed appropriate to me. It would've been nice to see more moments of pure romantic affection between Shep and his/her LIs (holding hands, kiss on the cheek, arm around the shoulders - that sort of thing). But the fact that we didn't didn't spoil the relationships overall for me personally. I just kind of assumed that a lot of that sort of thing was happening "off-camera" just like all other little things we never see Shep do like eating and washing off the muck between missions when he/she changes back out of their armour when you return from missions. (And there's at least one bit of random conversation/banter you get with Kaidan that supports this.)
So overall, I guess I'm probably one of the few who generally apporves of the way the romances were handled in ME3.
Kaidan's was good, and I felt it was pretty character appropriate. You got to experience a pretty good mix of both his serious side and the more joking side that he mostly seems to show only to Shep and his close friends/comrades. The date and the goodbye were very touching, and I thought the scene right before the Cerberus base was both right for the characters and really showed both how far the relationship had come and how far Kaidan personally had come. The relationship essentially went from a sort of awkward "I want this but I don't want it to get in the way" kind of thing in ME to the sort of "Let's just take a moment for ourselves while we still can" thing we see in ME3, and seemed like a logical and realistic progression.
I'm really just starting my Garrus playthrough, but I'm obviously loving what I've seen so far. Very cute, and very satisfying in its awkwardness. It kind of... acknowledges that this is not a relationship either of them necessarily expected, while still showing how obviously important it is to them both. So much sap... but of the most awesome, heartwarming variety.
I've started a playthrough of my character that's romanced Liara faithfully since ME, but not gotten very far. Although again, just from seeing her friendship stuff it's pretty obviously going to have a fair bit of depth. I did/do hate having to reaffirm the relationship again (especially after doing so in LotSB) but, eh. I've always seen Liara as the Asari equivalent of teenager anyway, so it kind of makes sense... she maybe needs that validation more than other characters. I did get a little tired of having her shoved in my face every two seconds when I didn't romance her, but eh - I can live with it. Devs are allowed to have favourites too, and she is pretty much the only character that Shep has known for any length of time that's guarenteed to be alive in ME3, so I can see where using her to provide a sense of friendship/support/companionship for Shep regardless of LI status makes sense.
And I know I'm by far and away in the minority on this one, but I actually really liked Thane's romance in ME3. It would've been to see more of him/have more unique conversations with him, but I still found what I did get satisfying. I wasn't as bothered by Shep's stoicism in the face of his death or the new crew not mentioning it as most people (in fact, I find it pretty appropriate), but I can agree that it would've been nice for at least those who definitely had reason to know of him/about the relationship to mention it at least once. I can understand why they might not, and because of that I'm pretty fine with it - but I wouldn't necessarily have objected to them doing it, either. And I agree that everyone else suddenly hitting on you immediately after the fact is kind of upsetting/callous. And not getting to see him in the flashback was just awful. That much, at least, they could and completely should have done.
I didn't really romance anyone else (one M!Shep for Jack, which I probably will import) so I can't really speak to the handling of any other characters from personal experience. I know the ME2 LIs all kind of got shafted in terms of both time and quality. But I also have to agree with those who point out that it would be a little hard to do anything else given just how many LIs they had to try and deal with in this game. It doesn't excuse them for handling them poorly; but it does kind of explain it. Just seeing Jack as a friend made me want to import the playthrough where I romanced her though, even though people say you don't get much more than what you see as a friend, because I feel that it would be very satisfying for Shep just to see how much she's grown and that she's in a much happier place mentally/emotionally now. It kind of... validates the whole relationship in the way that only helping those you love can. I liked Miri's role in the game overall, but I can't say anything about the LI relationship specifically. Tali... eh. I never have been the biggest Tali fan, and the stock photo thing does suck, but part of me feels that just like JAck, she gets one of the best relationships in some ways because you can genuinely do something to help her by giving her back her homeworld. The game's ending kind of... invalidates that, but taken as it is until then, it's an incredible thing to be able to do for someone you love. Jacob... eh. Poor Jacob fans. There is no way around the fact that they just got screwed. But, at the risk of being crucified, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that for me, at least, the way that all ended/played out felt logical. One of the reasons I never romanced Jacob in ME2 (I did it once but reverted to an earlier save after I save the scene before the relay) was the fact that it never really felt like a relationship so much as a fling/stress relief/one-night-stand. All throughout the game, it seemed pretty obvious that he still had a thing for Miri - and he kept Shep very distant/very "friends only". So, I didn't really expect lasting commitment from him, and his culmination scene just confirmed that for me. In which case, yeah: the treatment of the relationship in ME3 sucked. But it also kind of made sense.
As to the general complaints that there weren't enough differences between friendships with the LIs and romances with the LIs... eh. I'm largely of the opinion that romantic relationships have to be friendships first and foremost in order to work out long term, so it seemed appropriate to me. It would've been nice to see more moments of pure romantic affection between Shep and his/her LIs (holding hands, kiss on the cheek, arm around the shoulders - that sort of thing). But the fact that we didn't didn't spoil the relationships overall for me personally. I just kind of assumed that a lot of that sort of thing was happening "off-camera" just like all other little things we never see Shep do like eating and washing off the muck between missions when he/she changes back out of their armour when you return from missions. (And there's at least one bit of random conversation/banter you get with Kaidan that supports this.)
So overall, I guess I'm probably one of the few who generally apporves of the way the romances were handled in ME3.
#130
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 03:36
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I feel that BioWare kinda went soft on the romance segments in the game. Almost too short. I have a playthrough that Liara is my LI but I almost feel it doesn't feel that way! want to go through a playthrough and romance nobody because I feel like I wouldn't be missing much!
I romanced Miranda, but the scenes with Liara were way more intimate. I considered breaking things off with Miranda after the scene in Shepard's cabin when Liara shows him the contingency plan with Glyph for if things went bad. I can't wait to do my next playthrough where Liara is my LI just to see what scenes I missed. It's funny, my opinion of Liara has improved every time a new game came out to the point that she's now one of my favourite characters. And it has nothing (little) to do with her ever-expanding bust.
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#131
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 03:39
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So far I've only gotten through one of my two Kaidan romance characters, and I'm in progress on the other. My two Liara romance characters and my two 'cheaters' are up next. I thought the Kaidan romance was done very well, and very happy that my gay Shepard finally found somebody to love. Now I'm interested to see how different it is with a carryover ME1 FemShep/Kaidan romance. I love seeing all the differences depending on what you do in the previous games, and it seems like the romances are one area where there is some variety.
Having viewed some of the other romances on YouTube, I'd say that Liara and Kaidan fans should be happy, Steve Cortez fans should be happy, and Ashley fans should probably be happy. I think Garrus and Tali fans probably got what they wanted too. But I suspect fans of Miranda, Jacob, Thane, and Jack are probably not loving the way they get to continue their romances in ME2, especially people who romanced Jacob. Personally, I like the fact that not all of Shepard's romantic possibilities turn into epic love stories. It just sucks when it's your favorite romance that gets delegated as the "he's just not that into you" storyline. Luckily my one FemShep that romanced Jacob is the "hit it and quit it" type, and Jacob died in that playthrough during the Suicide Mission anyway.
Having viewed some of the other romances on YouTube, I'd say that Liara and Kaidan fans should be happy, Steve Cortez fans should be happy, and Ashley fans should probably be happy. I think Garrus and Tali fans probably got what they wanted too. But I suspect fans of Miranda, Jacob, Thane, and Jack are probably not loving the way they get to continue their romances in ME2, especially people who romanced Jacob. Personally, I like the fact that not all of Shepard's romantic possibilities turn into epic love stories. It just sucks when it's your favorite romance that gets delegated as the "he's just not that into you" storyline. Luckily my one FemShep that romanced Jacob is the "hit it and quit it" type, and Jacob died in that playthrough during the Suicide Mission anyway.
#132
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 03:46
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Lairas is very well done lots of tender moments disspointed that kiaden is an s/s and not ashley i felt that this was the hight of unfairness but not going to lose sleep over it.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:01
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rolson00 wrote...
Lairas is very well done lots of tender moments disspointed that kiaden is an s/s and not ashley i felt that this was the hight of unfairness but not going to lose sleep over it.
I think what's really unfair is the lack of a really well done human s/s option. Samantha had potential, but there just wasn't enough there. I was always holding out hope that Miranda would be the s/s option, but even her o/s romance comes off as abbreviated in ME3. While I feel bad for people who were hoping for an Ashley s/s romance, I'm at least glad that in this one respect, she and Kaidan aren't the same character.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:12
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i wasnt keen on sam she loked too much like a shep creation and the hair didnt really suit but stev and femshep become like brother and sister that i really liked, helping him threw his grief is score point to BWSiansonea II wrote...
rolson00 wrote...
Lairas is very well done lots of tender moments disspointed that kiaden is an s/s and not ashley i felt that this was the hight of unfairness but not going to lose sleep over it.
I think what's really unfair is the lack of a really well done human s/s option. Samantha had potential, but there just wasn't enough there. I was always holding out hope that Miranda would be the s/s option, but even her o/s romance comes off as abbreviated in ME3. While I feel bad for people who were hoping for an Ashley s/s romance, I'm at least glad that in this one respect, she and Kaidan aren't the same character.
#135
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:12
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Mostly happy ... after my ManShep has pined away for Kaidan for two games now, it's nice to finally have that chance, although I would've liked more time with him in scenes, rather than "let's go on a date" and then "let's do it" ... a step in between would've been great. Hopefully in DLCs? It would also be nice to have more of the crew recognize it. It just makes me sad for the "might-have-been" of ME1 and 2 (without having to mod it to make the game think my ManShep is FemShep, you know ...).
Other than that, it's fine.
Other than that, it's fine.
#136
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:47
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Liara romance (faithful since ME1) exceeded my expectations. Very, very satisfied with it.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:03
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I wish Liara acknowledge the promise Shepard made to her in Lair of the Shadow Broker instead of coming to me asking if it will work out in the end.... wha?
I really do like the Samantha relationship even though I would have preferred a little more buildup before getting to that shower scene. Having that one chess game would have made a huge difference. Also, if you're not going to have Liara wear any underwear, don't give any to the other characters. And if Shepard can finally kiss Liara on the mouth with good motions, why not with other characters to? And more "I love you too" quotes from Shepard towards romances that aren't from previous games! I wanted to say I love you to Samantha after she said it dangit!
I really do like the Samantha relationship even though I would have preferred a little more buildup before getting to that shower scene. Having that one chess game would have made a huge difference. Also, if you're not going to have Liara wear any underwear, don't give any to the other characters. And if Shepard can finally kiss Liara on the mouth with good motions, why not with other characters to? And more "I love you too" quotes from Shepard towards romances that aren't from previous games! I wanted to say I love you to Samantha after she said it dangit!
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:31
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Overall not happy. <_<
Thane's romance in particular was such a dissapointment. Especially after playing the Kaidan romance, which was alright (but made Thane's even more a kick in the face after playing that one). There's nothing there. He's dying and Shepard doesn't even seem to care, you get what 2 or 3 different lines from the non-romance playthrough and a chance to smooch in the hospital lobby? Then no one cares that he dies...really? not even Shepard? doesn't tell him she loves him, doesn't hold his hand, not one single tear? Then onboard the normandy you get to see his name on that crappy wall..but no one mentions him..he just got run through with a sword ..he was your love and no one says anything? It's not like it was a secret or anything .."everyone knows" (quoting Kaidan if you romanced him in ME1 and picked the fun [LIE] option when he asks about "you and some assassin") You get that Kai Leng fool taunting you on thessia that Thane died because he was a coward...that's the only person that talks about him. Oh and you get a letter from Thane saying he'll already be dead when you read it and he says he loves you. Now that might seem nice but really it just feels like a tacked on half ass apology in hopes that you'll forget how shafted you just were with the romance.
I guess I'm one of the deluded people that hoped you could have your LI with you until the very end or at least the option to have them until the end..or whatever crazy mess the end was... And maybe even more deluded that they'll have a dlc to keep him alive..please?..pretty please?...why tease us who liked thane's character with little hints of a cure for him? and why BioWare be all happy about the people with their "cure Keprals Syndrome banners and such? it's like encouraging the kids to play by the street when a semitruck is coming..
"He's dying anyway" so what..how many times has shepard done the impossible?? was there some scrapped kahje side mission they didn't end up going with? put that back in there where they find a cure from that mission..or a new side mission..and you find that medi-gel lung crap...Let him still get stabbed to save the councilor but instead of dying because of his disease he can live..he doesn't have to get up and around right away but eventually stick him back with Shepard on the normandy...his old Life Support room isn't doing anything anyway..like it's just waiting for him to get back on board
*sigh* that's my ranting I guess basically I'm saying is with how good some of the other romances were the same care should have been taken with all LI's and made the stories as awesome as possilbe no matter which ones were the most "popular". Seeing tastes of what "could have been" makes the whole thing kind of messed up because there was so much more potential.
Thane's romance in particular was such a dissapointment. Especially after playing the Kaidan romance, which was alright (but made Thane's even more a kick in the face after playing that one). There's nothing there. He's dying and Shepard doesn't even seem to care, you get what 2 or 3 different lines from the non-romance playthrough and a chance to smooch in the hospital lobby? Then no one cares that he dies...really? not even Shepard? doesn't tell him she loves him, doesn't hold his hand, not one single tear? Then onboard the normandy you get to see his name on that crappy wall..but no one mentions him..he just got run through with a sword ..he was your love and no one says anything? It's not like it was a secret or anything .."everyone knows" (quoting Kaidan if you romanced him in ME1 and picked the fun [LIE] option when he asks about "you and some assassin") You get that Kai Leng fool taunting you on thessia that Thane died because he was a coward...that's the only person that talks about him. Oh and you get a letter from Thane saying he'll already be dead when you read it and he says he loves you. Now that might seem nice but really it just feels like a tacked on half ass apology in hopes that you'll forget how shafted you just were with the romance.
I guess I'm one of the deluded people that hoped you could have your LI with you until the very end or at least the option to have them until the end..or whatever crazy mess the end was... And maybe even more deluded that they'll have a dlc to keep him alive..please?..pretty please?...why tease us who liked thane's character with little hints of a cure for him? and why BioWare be all happy about the people with their "cure Keprals Syndrome banners and such? it's like encouraging the kids to play by the street when a semitruck is coming..
"He's dying anyway" so what..how many times has shepard done the impossible?? was there some scrapped kahje side mission they didn't end up going with? put that back in there where they find a cure from that mission..or a new side mission..and you find that medi-gel lung crap...Let him still get stabbed to save the councilor but instead of dying because of his disease he can live..he doesn't have to get up and around right away but eventually stick him back with Shepard on the normandy...his old Life Support room isn't doing anything anyway..like it's just waiting for him to get back on board
*sigh* that's my ranting I guess basically I'm saying is with how good some of the other romances were the same care should have been taken with all LI's and made the stories as awesome as possilbe no matter which ones were the most "popular". Seeing tastes of what "could have been" makes the whole thing kind of messed up because there was so much more potential.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:39
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On Kaidan being bi in ME3... .in ME2 if you were femshep and you romanced him in ME1 you get that letter after Horizon (not sure what the letter says if you don't romance him) but it does say something like "a lot has changed in the last 2 years and he's not the same person" or something of that nature so maybe that's what he's talking about?
--just putting it out there
--just putting it out there
#140
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:50
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I have mixed feelings about the Liara romance arc, but I am, all things considered, satisfied.
Here are my complaints:
1) Why is Kaiden trying to romance my femshep when she shot him down for Liara back in ME1? Guess she should have saved Ashley. Garrus at least got the hint in ME2 and was a great friend in ME3. And the Tali/Garrus thing was hysterical. But I digress.
2) Why is Javik the only one to acknowledge my Shepard's relationship with "her Asari"?
3) Why do the converstations in the Shadow Broker DLC seem to have no impact on my relationship? Shepard remained faithful in ME2, re-affirmed it in the SBDLC, and yet has to reafirm it two more times in ME3?
4) The scene on the Citadel when Shepard finally gets to commit to Liara is lackluster at best. Liara seems to be putting you in the friendzone, and if you protest, she says Shepard is lucky she feels the same. Liara's actions do not reflect the feelings expressed in the SBDLC nor the final scenes of ME3.
5) My femshep was a ****ty girlfriend to Liara just after Thessia. Just saying. Where was the "hold the woman you love and be supportive" option? At least for Paragons... I mean really. She is the one who picks the very defeated Shepard in ME1 up off the floor (literally) and gets you defying the council to stop the reapers. Again, she encourages Shepard in ME3 in the second to last romance scene. But when she needs Shepard, Shepard does not get to return the favor? FAIL.
My complaints do seem minor given how badly the ME2 romance options were treated; to those who had a LI from ME2 that was not Tali or Garrus... I hope they give you guys/girls some DLC or something.
Now, here is what I enjoyed about the Liara romance:
1) The occasional flirty comment here and there.
2) Telling Liara that she is the reason I keep up the fight (not sure if friendzone shepard gets this option).
3) The time capsule scene (while everyone gets it, if you view it from the perspective of a romance, its really touching).
4) The little blue children comment in the final scene.
5) The final romance scene (very sweet, to the re-use of "show me").
6) The second to last romance scene (I wanted the "yes please" option when she suggested just running away together, but it wouldn't have fit) was perfect. From the holding hands to i love yous to the show me; it was very well done.
If I could change just one thing? I would change my Shepard's actions post-Thessia. That was the most disappointing thing, IMO, in the Liara romance arc.
Here are my complaints:
1) Why is Kaiden trying to romance my femshep when she shot him down for Liara back in ME1? Guess she should have saved Ashley. Garrus at least got the hint in ME2 and was a great friend in ME3. And the Tali/Garrus thing was hysterical. But I digress.
2) Why is Javik the only one to acknowledge my Shepard's relationship with "her Asari"?
3) Why do the converstations in the Shadow Broker DLC seem to have no impact on my relationship? Shepard remained faithful in ME2, re-affirmed it in the SBDLC, and yet has to reafirm it two more times in ME3?
4) The scene on the Citadel when Shepard finally gets to commit to Liara is lackluster at best. Liara seems to be putting you in the friendzone, and if you protest, she says Shepard is lucky she feels the same. Liara's actions do not reflect the feelings expressed in the SBDLC nor the final scenes of ME3.
5) My femshep was a ****ty girlfriend to Liara just after Thessia. Just saying. Where was the "hold the woman you love and be supportive" option? At least for Paragons... I mean really. She is the one who picks the very defeated Shepard in ME1 up off the floor (literally) and gets you defying the council to stop the reapers. Again, she encourages Shepard in ME3 in the second to last romance scene. But when she needs Shepard, Shepard does not get to return the favor? FAIL.
My complaints do seem minor given how badly the ME2 romance options were treated; to those who had a LI from ME2 that was not Tali or Garrus... I hope they give you guys/girls some DLC or something.
Now, here is what I enjoyed about the Liara romance:
1) The occasional flirty comment here and there.
2) Telling Liara that she is the reason I keep up the fight (not sure if friendzone shepard gets this option).
3) The time capsule scene (while everyone gets it, if you view it from the perspective of a romance, its really touching).
4) The little blue children comment in the final scene.
5) The final romance scene (very sweet, to the re-use of "show me").
6) The second to last romance scene (I wanted the "yes please" option when she suggested just running away together, but it wouldn't have fit) was perfect. From the holding hands to i love yous to the show me; it was very well done.
If I could change just one thing? I would change my Shepard's actions post-Thessia. That was the most disappointing thing, IMO, in the Liara romance arc.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:23
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The first confirmation is a bug. The flag isn't imported properly. You can fix it in the save game editorZwei133 wrote...
3) Why do the converstations in the Shadow Broker DLC seem to have no impact on my relationship? Shepard remained faithful in ME2, re-affirmed it in the SBDLC, and yet has to reafirm it two more times in ME3?
I fully agree about the post-Thessia cuddling. You can hug Tali in ME2. If a scene ever called for a Paragon interrupt it's that
Modifié par Serenity84, 19 mars 2012 - 06:25 .
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:34
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Serenity84 wrote...
The first confirmation is a bug. The flag isn't imported properly. You can fix it in the save game editorZwei133 wrote...
3) Why do the converstations in the Shadow Broker DLC seem to have no impact on my relationship? Shepard remained faithful in ME2, re-affirmed it in the SBDLC, and yet has to reafirm it two more times in ME3?
I fully agree about the post-Thessia cuddling. You can hug Tali in ME2. If a scene ever called for a Paragon interrupt it's that
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#143
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:56
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Zwei133 wrote...
I have mixed feelings about the Liara romance arc, but I am, all things considered, satisfied.
Here are my complaints:
1) Why is Kaiden trying to romance my femshep when she shot him down for Liara back in ME1? Guess she should have saved Ashley. Garrus at least got the hint in ME2 and was a great friend in ME3. And the Tali/Garrus thing was hysterical. But I digress.
2) Why is Javik the only one to acknowledge my Shepard's relationship with "her Asari"?
3) Why do the converstations in the Shadow Broker DLC seem to have no impact on my relationship? Shepard remained faithful in ME2, re-affirmed it in the SBDLC, and yet has to reafirm it two more times in ME3?
4) The scene on the Citadel when Shepard finally gets to commit to Liara is lackluster at best. Liara seems to be putting you in the friendzone, and if you protest, she says Shepard is lucky she feels the same. Liara's actions do not reflect the feelings expressed in the SBDLC nor the final scenes of ME3.
5) My femshep was a ****ty girlfriend to Liara just after Thessia. Just saying. Where was the "hold the woman you love and be supportive" option? At least for Paragons... I mean really. She is the one who picks the very defeated Shepard in ME1 up off the floor (literally) and gets you defying the council to stop the reapers. Again, she encourages Shepard in ME3 in the second to last romance scene. But when she needs Shepard, Shepard does not get to return the favor? FAIL.
My complaints do seem minor given how badly the ME2 romance options were treated; to those who had a LI from ME2 that was not Tali or Garrus... I hope they give you guys/girls some DLC or something.
Now, here is what I enjoyed about the Liara romance:
1) The occasional flirty comment here and there.
2) Telling Liara that she is the reason I keep up the fight (not sure if friendzone shepard gets this option).
3) The time capsule scene (while everyone gets it, if you view it from the perspective of a romance, its really touching).
4) The little blue children comment in the final scene.
5) The final romance scene (very sweet, to the re-use of "show me").
6) The second to last romance scene (I wanted the "yes please" option when she suggested just running away together, but it wouldn't have fit) was perfect. From the holding hands to i love yous to the show me; it was very well done.
If I could change just one thing? I would change my Shepard's actions post-Thessia. That was the most disappointing thing, IMO, in the Liara romance arc.
I'm not sure how the other romances played out, but I would imagine that across the board we would have liked to have seen more in-game acknowledgement of the relationship, even if it were just from Shepard/LI. My Shepard was absolutely devastated after Thessia, and had to herself get talked up before she could go and face Liara. And then she gets a very dry, business-as-usual conversation with the woman she loves. I almost wish that, once a romance with a character was initiated, the dialogue COMPLETELY branched off into something different rather than trying to shoehorn "friends" and "lovers" into the same lines.
#144
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:02
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Zwei133 wrote...
. I almost wish that, once a romance with a character was initiated, the dialogue COMPLETELY branched off into something different rather than trying to shoehorn "friends" and "lovers" into the same lines.
The snarky response I want to give is that...
Yeah that sounds awesome but it would require a lot of work and judging from the endings that doesn't look like something bioware was too interested in.
But the more realistic answer is likely, that having a separate branching path of dialouge that most players would never see would just take so many resources and so much time that Bioware probably just tried to consolidate lines
#145
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:09
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Traestus wrote...
Zwei133 wrote...
. I almost wish that, once a romance with a character was initiated, the dialogue COMPLETELY branched off into something different rather than trying to shoehorn "friends" and "lovers" into the same lines.
The snarky response I want to give is that...
Yeah that sounds awesome but it would require a lot of work and judging from the endings that doesn't look like something bioware was too interested in.
But the more realistic answer is likely, that having a separate branching path of dialouge that most players would never see would just take so many resources and so much time that Bioware probably just tried to consolidate lines
I take issue with that. There's so much of this game that I won't see simply because I made certain choices. Kaidan is dead, the rachni queen lived, everyone on the SR-2 survived, I never romanced anyone besides Liara. There are hours upon hours upon hours of content that can only be accessed through the player's choices. To say that some more LI-specific dialogue would push it over the edge seems a bit disingenuous.
#146
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:11
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When you meet Liara on Mars there is actually unique romance dialogue. You can compare the videos on YouTube. It's very nice and gave me the hope that there would be more of it. Alas, that isn't the case, except for the office conversation on the Normandy.
#147
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:15
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Samantha's romance seems more like it is based on a physical attraction each partner has for the other, which is great for my current fem!Shepard, Katelynn, since she is still kind of heart broken by the death of Emily (headcanon wife) about nine years ago on Akuze.
Liara's seems to be based on an emotional love
all and all i'm ok with the romances.
Liara's seems to be based on an emotional love
all and all i'm ok with the romances.
Modifié par draken-heart, 19 mars 2012 - 08:17 .
#148
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:21
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Traestus wrote...
TheMarshal wrote...
. I almost wish that, once a romance with a character was initiated, the dialogue COMPLETELY branched off into something different rather than trying to shoehorn "friends" and "lovers" into the same lines.
The snarky response I want to give is that...
Yeah that sounds awesome but it would require a lot of work and judging from the endings that doesn't look like something bioware was too interested in.
But the more realistic answer is likely, that having a separate branching path of dialouge that most players would never see would just take so many resources and so much time that Bioware probably just tried to consolidate lines
There are a few places where conversations are a bit different, so I don't think it is as much work as your think. I'm not a graphic designer, so I can't speak from the graphical perspective, but from a code control perspective this is relatively trivial to extend to more places, provided it is not an entirely different content flow, which I believe is very acheivable.
Allow me to explain...
A distinctly different feel can be achieved between friends and lovers with a light touch; adding small things here and there will make a huge impact on the interpretation of existing dialogue (which is, for the most part, sufficiently ambiguous).
To use the Thessia example, adding a paragon trigger or convo option to comfort Liara a bit more (hug, cuddle, what have you) would not require changing anything major; it would just extend the scene a bit and maybe have Liara say something a bit different at the end.
Did this change the plot? No. Did it require significant changes to the dialogue? No. Did it vastly improve the overall experience of the scene? Yes!
Serenity84 wrote...
When you meet Liara on Mars there is
actually unique romance dialogue. You can compare the videos on YouTube.
It's very nice and gave me the hope that there would be more of it.
Alas, that isn't the case, except for the office conversation on the
Normandy.
Exactly my point. The precedent for altered dialogue already exists in the codebase.
Modifié par Zwei133, 19 mars 2012 - 08:23 .
#149
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:37
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I'm not trying to say that BioWare shouldn't do this or that it is in fact not that much more work, because really all it is a simple boolean check on if the romance is intiated or not and then the correct dialogue is selected.
But its easy to think oh it wouldn't be that much only change Liara's scenes here and there. But you can't only do Liara you have to do all the LIs then since people are already complaining about the overall treatment of the LIs especially the ones introduced in ME2. If every single LI needed extra dialogue it means paying all the VAs more, it means creating more separate cutscenes for each character. Animating and creating the FMVs do take time and while introducing this sounds wonderful really it becomes a very large enterprise for not much more overall content per character or per playthrough.
Hell I was upset that when on Sanctuary I was running around looking for Miranda and no one commented on what Shepard should have been feeling in that situation given that Miranda was my LI. Even a simple are you worried from a squadmate would have been nice.
I'm not really sure where I'm going with this as I generally agree with you I'd prefer much more Romance specific dialogue in the game, I just don't know if it was something that could feasibly address within the scope of the game.
But its easy to think oh it wouldn't be that much only change Liara's scenes here and there. But you can't only do Liara you have to do all the LIs then since people are already complaining about the overall treatment of the LIs especially the ones introduced in ME2. If every single LI needed extra dialogue it means paying all the VAs more, it means creating more separate cutscenes for each character. Animating and creating the FMVs do take time and while introducing this sounds wonderful really it becomes a very large enterprise for not much more overall content per character or per playthrough.
Hell I was upset that when on Sanctuary I was running around looking for Miranda and no one commented on what Shepard should have been feeling in that situation given that Miranda was my LI. Even a simple are you worried from a squadmate would have been nice.
I'm not really sure where I'm going with this as I generally agree with you I'd prefer much more Romance specific dialogue in the game, I just don't know if it was something that could feasibly address within the scope of the game.
#150
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:47
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I used Liara as an example; but yes it is something every LI needs. I believe that from a technical perspective, they could do it. Maybe as a patch. Maybe sneak it in with a DLC (Get new mission, new outfits, and better convo with your LI, only 1200 MSP) though that would be a PR nightmare. Then again, EA/BioWare sure doesn't seem afraid of a PR fiasco, so who knows?
I also hope the fix the SBDLC bug I just found out about from Serenity84. Has this bug been submitted already?
I also hope the fix the SBDLC bug I just found out about from Serenity84. Has this bug been submitted already?
