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[Esquin]

brgillespie wrote...

Esquin wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

To qualify my statements, I've played all three games (I started on the
X-Box 360, then switched to the PC, so I've actually bought Mass Effect 1
twice . I do realize the interest in seeing the trilogy conclude.

The outcry over the ending strikes me as absurd and histrionic. Your assertion that I'm being patronizing is false. I'm simply urging people to "get a life". To see grown persons act this way towards their electronic friends and space waifus is disturbing. Forgive me for pouring salt in your wound.

So you mean to tell me that you've never had any kind of emotional reaction to a book game film or tv show?

What is your favourite story? In any of those mediums? How would you feel if that story ended in a way that disregarded many of the themes of the story, had the main character act in a way that made no sense given their history, and then refused to give you any kind of closure when it had been constantly stated that it would give you closure?

How would you feel if they did that to your favourite story?

If you still don't get it then I can't help you.

Of course... but those feelings are usually spawned by comparisons to real world companions being in the same situation. Not the characters themselves.

I've read threads in here where people have confessed being truly and deeply depressed. There's something wrong with your outlook on life that you'll let a videogame effect you that way.

So you're suggesting that a video game story is in some way less significant than other story telling mediums. Thats simply not true.

[Han Shot First]

brgillespie wrote...

WastelanderTim wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

brgillespie wrote...
Your assertion that I'm being patronizing is false.

I'm simply urging people to "get a life".

T

-Way to own yourself in 3 seconds flat.

ya that was just funny lol

In your eagerness to twist my words, you misread my intent. This thread is my dismay at seeing so many people so... distressed by a videogame's resolution. "Get a life" was not meant to be insulting. The quotations and the phrase was meant to be a concise summary of a previous post.

Most people dislike ME3's ending.

That isn't quite the same thing as being depressed over it.

[Tigerman123]

I agree that there's been a huge overreaction on here, but I think it's just a little eccentric rather than actively weird. It's a bit like supporting a large sports team, many otherwise rational people suffer from paroxysms of emotion over the fate of a bunch of multimillionaires who don't giveva hoot about them XD

[lastpawn]

brgillespie wrote...

To qualify my statements, I've played all three games (I started on the
X-Box 360, then switched to the PC, so I've actually bought Mass Effect 1
twice . I do realize the interest in seeing the trilogy conclude.

The outcry over the ending strikes me as absurd and histrionic. Your assertion that I'm being patronizing is false. I'm simply urging people to "get a life". To see grown persons act this way towards their electronic friends and space waifus is disturbing. Forgive me for pouring salt in your wound.

OP, to think that a reaction of fans on a fansite (you know that this is a fansite, right?) could make you feel "disturbed" is incredibly sad. The reaction of fans is... well, it is what it is. It's basic human nature to become attached to narratives. For fans this is always extreme. A basic fact of human psyche, nothing more.

But to affect you in this manner, causing you to launch strawman attacks on a fansite? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside, OP. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some
sunshine. Be less condesending. Or just... don't waste your important time on fansites.

Modifié par lastpawn, 18 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[brgillespie]

phouria wrote...

well i'm more miffed that i spent 80 bux and 30-40 hrs for an ending that left me going "wah?"

it's like watching the latest GhostRider movie and coming out of it shaking your fists wishing you had your 2 hours and 10 bux back. but life goes on.

This sentiment I can agree with.

[Icinix]

So people who cry at the opera should re-evaluate their life?
People whose hearts get racing when their sports team is about to score should re-evaluate their life?
People who get lost in music and allow it to wash through them and over them should re-evaluate their life?

Really....if you don't allow yourself to feel all of the emotion our entertainment provides us with - I think it is you who should re-evaluate their life.

[shurikenmanta]

Tigerman123 wrote...

I agree that there's been a huge overreaction on here, but I think it's just a little eccentric rather than actively weird. It's a bit like supporting a large sports team, many otherwise rational people suffer from paroxysms of emotion over the fate of a bunch of multimillionaires who don't giveva hoot about them XD

It's kind of like all the people who were 'depressed' about not being able to get to Pandora after watching Avatar, or all the girls who wanted to invent some kind of machine to turn fictional characters into real ones so they could marry Edward Cullen from Twilight.

also lol space waifus. That's gold.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 18 mars 2012 - 10:23 .

[brgillespie]

lastpawn wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

To qualify my statements, I've played all three games (I started on the
X-Box 360, then switched to the PC, so I've actually bought Mass Effect 1
twice . I do realize the interest in seeing the trilogy conclude.

The outcry over the ending strikes me as absurd and histrionic. Your assertion that I'm being patronizing is false. I'm simply urging people to "get a life". To see grown persons act this way towards their electronic friends and space waifus is disturbing. Forgive me for pouring salt in your wound.

OP, to think that a reaction of fans on a fansite (you know that this is a fansite, right?) could make you feel "disturbed" is incredibly sad. The reaction of fans is... well, it is what it is. It's basic human nature to become attached to narratives. For fans this is always extreme. A basic fact of human psyche, nothing more.

But to affect you in this manner, causing you to launch strawman attacks on a fansite? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside, OP. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some
sunshine. Be less condesending. Or just... don't waste your important time on fansites.

What? Where have I strawmanned anyone? I think people use that term without really knowing what it means.

[Alethir]

People seem to be annoyed that Shepard doesn't survive any ending. Need to pay more attention then. I've only seen the one ending (destroying synthetic life and mass relays) and you clearly see Shepard pushing some rubble off of himself just before the credits. Then after the credits we have the man and boy standing looking up at the stars, telling stories of a legendary hero, Commander Shepard. This could be years ahead of the end for all we know. It leaves so much room for your imagination. Also the boy asks for another story about Shepard, so this wasn't his only adventure. I thought the ending was great, much better than a big hurray we've killed the Reapers now let's all get aboard the Normandy and stand around for eternity (until some DLC arrives).

[thesmallearth]

It all about the time, effort, money, commitment this huge loyal fan base has for the IP. In some ways Bioware must be humbled and should be proud by the reaction, it goes to show what they have actually created here.

[shurikenmanta]

brgillespie wrote...
What? Where have I strawmanned anyone? I think people use that term without really knowing what it means.

Heh, in another forum I used to frequent they censored the term 'strawman' (it was replaced with 'spoonman') for that very reason 

[Farbautisonn]

brgillespie wrote...In your eagerness to twist my words, you misread my intent. This thread is my dismay at seeing so many people so... distressed by a videogame's resolution. "Get a life" was not meant to be insulting. The quotations and the phrase was meant to be a concise summary of a previous post.

-Listen chappie. You seem to have read a dictionary once. Either that or you just like to employ words usually reserved for people of higher learning. However you employ these words so falsely that it casts serious doubts upon your undestanding of said words.

If I can "misread your intent" , then you havent formulated said intent precisely enough now have you? 

You seem to think you are "trolling us softly" whilst in all realty having the subtlety of a jackhammer. 

[ArmedCarp]

I guess in fairness to brgillespie, if something in your life that was good will forever be remembered for the steaming pile of crap it ended up as, it might as well be a video game, instead of your kid or career or something. Thanks for the context brother.

[Karmicmoogle]

I think people need to understand that fans are customers. Without fans you will not have customers. Supply and demand. Read up on the Gaming industry and you will see that many Studios have been retrenching/closed in the last few months...

If you buy a product that does not live up to the manufactures promise do you not complain? If you receive the product and it is broken, do you not complain? Why should a fan be any different? Because it is a game? The game is still a product and was advertised in a manner that gave the customer the impression that their choices matter and that they would be able to create their own experience. I also just saw Bioware's EMS statement might not be entirely true - so why am I playing the game again if I can't get the best ending without playing multiplayer? Multiplayer was suppose to be a game on it's own...

The movies argument is also not really valid as you know you have no choice in what happens but the marketing strategy of the game is that you make choices that define your journey in the Mass Effect universe.

You can ignore everything I said above but please remember fans are customers, without the "annoying self entitled nerds who need to get a life" the companies profits would be considerably less...

[lastpawn]

To strawman is to put forward whatever you're arguing against in a form that's easily toppled over rhetorically. You've done just that.

Basically, as others have pointed out, you do not seem to have a particularly robust understanding of how emotional attachment works (you expect it to be rational??? Tell you what, go to a major soccer game anywhere in Europe and you tell me how rational the fans are).

[nicethugbert]

Plinkett wrote...

Obviously you don't understand how much effort people have put into these games, immersing them into the story hoping for an ending that would actually reward them for their hard work. How dare you criticise people, telling them to go outside! You have no right!

LOL, effort and hard work.  A day in my shoes would crush you.  Actually, you wouldn't last to break time.

[r00tb33r]

Alethir wrote...

People seem to be annoyed that Shepard doesn't survive any ending. Need to pay more attention then.

I think you need to pay more attention.  Every ending destroys the mass relay network, meaning everyone is ****ed.  Meaning that there was no ****ing point uniting the galaxy as those different races will not see each other for a very long time, all will be long forgotten.

To hell with this, just watch this video, it will explain:
www.youtube.com/watch

[s.nebulous]

brgillespie wrote...

To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame. If you feel it is more than that, consider reevaluating your lifestyle, because you've lost yourself in a fantasy world.

Thank you for your concern.

[abaris]

There's a whole thread called "Why I play video games" explaining what this is all about.

It's not about getting a life. It's about getting away from everyday life. And that's where video games differ from every other genre in the entertainment industry. You're not just a passenger being taken for a ride, you want to influence things. And if a game is well done it offers you these choices. You want to blame yourself if you screwed up and you want to congratulate yourself when you've made all the right decisions and earned a good outcome.

Being taken for basically the same ride regardless of what you've done just doesn't cut it.

[lastpawn]

s.nebulous wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame. If you feel it is more than that, consider reevaluating your lifestyle, because you've lost yourself in a fantasy world.

Thank you for your concern.

... a poster far more intelligent than I.

[Kajan451]

brgillespie wrote...

To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame.

Yeah... and if a football fan is sitting infront of his TV with his 20 buddies and screams at the screen because someone fumbled the ball or something, getting emotionally involved into something he also just watches... goes to the point of running around in a sports jersey of his or her favorit team and talks as if he or she would be actually part of the team......

Thats nothing different. It has nothing todo with getting outside. But thanks for the attempt to troll, you failed at it.

[Farbautisonn]

lastpawn wrote... Tell you what, go to a major soccer game anywhere in Europe and you tell me how rational the fans are).

-No, watch a south american game.

A Corinthians - Palmeiras in Sao Paolo Brasil would be rather telling. That game makes most european hard core fans look like sunday school kids. Hell... They kill eachother over that game.

[Lurch_454]

brgillespie wrote...

To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame. If you feel it is more than that, consider reevaluating your lifestyle, because you've lost yourself in a fantasy world.

Really? You say this yet here you are on a computer typing this out? Maybe you should practice what you preach.

[Saodade]

brgillespie wrote...

To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame. If you feel it is more than that, consider reevaluating your lifestyle, because you've lost yourself in a fantasy world.

You  are  turning  a stick in the  sh.t here, aren't you?
I'd rather think you are trying to ****** people off  here, than thinking that you have  actually never  felt anything  while playing mass effect serie?

How possible not to feel anything ?

Never  watched a movie who made you  laught or  feel a lump in your throat ?
Never  put your feet on the armchair when  looking some zombie movie, alone in the night?
Never  felt your heart accelerating, when  in the sea, because some seaweed touched your foot and you  feared that it was  some nasty  man-eating  fish  tasting ya ?
Never felt moved  at some point over some fiction?
Are you a soothed one  like in dragon age  mage circle?
I feel sad for you if you  not.
Imagination. Try it. It is awesome you know? It is close   from Hope and Faith ans Dreams...And help  us in dealing with the harsh and not funny reality of the  actual world...

Modifié par Saodade, 18 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[Raseri]

brgillespie wrote...

To qualify my statements, I've played all three games (I started on the
X-Box 360, then switched to the PC, so I've actually bought Mass Effect 1
twice . I do realize the interest in seeing the trilogy conclude.

The outcry over the ending strikes me as absurd and histrionic. Your assertion that I'm being patronizing is false. I'm simply urging people to "get a life". To see grown persons act this way towards their electronic friends and space waifus is disturbing. Forgive me for pouring salt in your wound.

You're a troll, we get it.