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[HaesoME3]

brgillespie wrote...

To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame. If you feel it is more than that, consider reevaluating your lifestyle, because you've lost yourself in a fantasy world.

Not sure if serious or troll.

Modifié par HaesoME3, 18 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[Drxx]

brgillespie wrote...


To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame. If you feel it is more than that, consider reevaluating your lifestyle, because you've lost yourself in a fantasy world.

One year ago i had a girl  Thx for reminding me op 


Hold the line.

Modifié par Drxx, 18 mars 2012 - 02:30 .

[Drxx]

Double,sry.

Modifié par Drxx, 18 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[durasteel]

eshilia wrote...

Personally, I'm living a pretty cool life with rainbows and sunshine and heart-warming melody all the way. Hardly anything made me cry the last few years, but hell, this game did it. And I won't blame my life for that - I praise the creators instead. Brilliant piece.

Yup. This.

[bleachorange]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

This is has been blown out of proportions,I get what OP is trying to say. You'd expect people to let this go by now.

Somebody wrote that people deserved a reward for all those hours of hard work. Really? You make it sound like this is a job and you didn't enjoy playing it. You played because you liked playing it for whatever reason and now the tale has come to its end and you're not happy with the way it ended. Very sad,let's just whine about it.

Here, read this and see what all the fuss is about - it's not just whining about not liking the ending, there are real concerns about the ending that make no logical sense. Admittedly, I do want other changes to the ending than just fixing all the plot holes - but it's easy to delineate between the two desires in any post.
:wizard:Spaaaaace MAGIC!!!!

[bleachorange]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

This is has been blown out of proportions,I get what OP is trying to say. You'd expect people to let this go by now.

Somebody wrote that people deserved a reward for all those hours of hard work. Really? You make it sound like this is a job and you didn't enjoy playing it. You played because you liked playing it for whatever reason and now the tale has come to its end and you're not happy with the way it ended. Very sad,let's just whine about it.

-Peak-end rule? 

True enough. Nice link.

Modifié par bleachorange, 18 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[Bobrzy]

brgillespie wrote...
To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

I agree, it is sad. It broke me in half, while i thought it won't have that kind of impact on me. I'm disappointed, both with the endings and myself.

brgillespie wrote...
But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame. If you feel it is more than that, consider reevaluating your lifestyle, because you've lost yourself in a fantasy world.

I agree only partially. It IS only a video game, however - for some people (and me) it's passion, a hobby, entertainment, something to get at least partial happiness from. And some people spent countless hours in ME universe, growing attachment and personal emotions towards characters and the story. There is nothing wrong with that, it happens to fans of every medium: books, movies, comic books etc.

I don't feel like going outside, why should i bother? It doesn't give me satisfaction or fun. I got couple of friends, who, you know, WORK, so meeting them on a daily basis is not possible, and since i'm to socially awkward to make new relationships that leaves me sitting in front of my computer, whenever i got time for myself.

Fantasy world is more appealing than the real one, so i don't blame anyone for choosing to spend their free time in a place, where more than wealth and looks matter, where you get to make an acctual impact on the world. It's not possible in reality, so i choose artificial hapiness rather than real disappointment.

[bleachorange]

Alethir wrote...

r00tb33r wrote...

Alethir wrote...

People seem to be annoyed that Shepard doesn't survive any ending. Need to pay more attention then.

I think you need to pay more attention.  Every ending destroys the mass relay network, meaning everyone is ****ed.  Meaning that there was no ****ing point uniting the galaxy as those different races will not see each other for a very long time, all will be long forgotten.

To hell with this, just watch this video, it will explain:
www.youtube.com/watch

I don't need a video to explain, I understood the ending perfectly. That's your interpretation of the ending, that everyone is screwed because of the Mass Relays being destroyed. I've read the arguement of how destroying the relays would mean destroying everyone. I don't see how. There was speculation on the amount of damage it would cause being compared to a super nova, but that was just speculation as nobody had ever destroyed one until the Alpha Relay. Sure it wiped out an entire system, but clearly it was a very small system as only a few hundred thousand Batarians died. Compare that to the 11 billion people that are on Earth alone gives you an idea of how much bigger the Sol system must be compared to the Batarian one. So I don't believe destroying the Mass Relays would kill everyone, it only ended their ability to travel across the Galaxy and basically start again wherever they may be.

I think that is the whole point of the entire storyline, life became too advanced and created synthetics/AI's who ended up coming back to bite us in the ass. Destroying that, all of it, was the only way for life to learn and rebuild, from the beginning.

To say all will be forgotten is also untrue, if you watched after the credits the part where the small boy and his (I presume father or grandfather) are both looking up at the stars, the man is telling the boy the story of Commander Shepard. Who's  to say these tales don't inpire this child, and he will grow up to fight and make sure that life doesn't make the same mistakes that it made in the past? Basically it leaves it wide open for your own interpretation.

Clearly the size of a solar system and the population that lives within it are not linked in any way shape or form. Was the Earth smaller During the time of the Roman Empire than it is now, with 6 billion human inhabitants? The rest of your post is an opinion piece, so I'll leave it be. But the first bit is a logic disconnect.

[Kaiol_]

Not sure if whole bioware says ending sucks, or just americans.

[elmephd1]

Esquin wrote...

Have you ever cried during a tv show or a movie? Or a book?

I have and I'm also emotionally invested in Mass Effect.

However, while the endings are bad, the hysteria over them is well over the top.

What's worse is, they're damaging the franchise. All this "hurt them in the wallet" only works if you believe EA cares about the Mass Effect. They don't, EA just cares about the money. Given the economy and the cost of AAA games, game companies are trying to play it safe. Hurt them in the wallet and they'll just keep it away from Mass Effect. That means little chance of future updates to the ending and certainly less likelyhood of any more games within the universe.

If they had all tried to be rational, giving well thought out critique (which some have) about the issues, then there's a high chance it would have been fixed. Instead they are having temper tantrums like a man-brat, stomping their feet while flaming and review bombing the game. As such EA will see no reason to poor any more resources into it.

[VolusvsReaper]

Kaiol_ wrote...

Not sure if whole bioware says ending sucks, or just americans.

Probably just us Americans....we get teary eyed over American Idol.

[T_elic]

My opinion on the ending:

It could have provided more closure, considering were dealing with a series that players invested hundreds of hours in. However, the story is biowares to tell, and bioware is free to do whatever damn well they please to do with the story.
It's not the ending i would have chosen if i were to have writen it, but it is what it is.
It would have been nice however if the credits didn't come rolling in right after the big climax, and we would have seen some type of closure for all the characters weve come to love.

Still, the game itself is one of the best i've played in recent history, and the ending isn't going to change that.

[bleachorange]

Farbautisonn wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

Sorry I don't read fairy tales.

-Doesnt matter. You still need to explain to these people they need psychiatric help. Im sure that will go over just fine. And when you are done with the bible there are a plethora of other books and scriptures you can dig into. Plus you had better start defaming all of those of faith who promoted science and logic. Because obviously they too needed help. And still do as many of science are still of faith.

You have alot of work ahead of you. Better get started.

I'd love to see him try this in Iran with the Quran. I'd like to see how long he lasted before he was executed for blasphemy or something. We could even place bets. Okay, so no bets. That's a little too much. But, you see what I mean.

[bleachorange]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...
-Wrong. From the very intro of ME3 there are inconsistencies and lore mistakes. It gets better during the game, but you are then consistently yanked from suspension of disbelief by bugs (getting reset to lvl1 was my favorite) and dialogue you have zero controll over, plus a plethora of other things. And the more I got yanked away, the more I looked for mistakes. I wasnt "playing as shepard". I was "observing shepard" and looking for errors. Go to the tech support pages. There are bugs up the kazoo. The only reason the bugs havent been mentioned more is because the endings overshadows everything else. Even if the endings had been ok, this game would STILL have come under intense critizism.

Wrong. First,bugs have nothing to do with our discussion and you know how many of those I encountered during my detailed playthrough - 1. Something weird in cutscene on Mars,with Liara's head. That's it.
Also,lore mechanics of ME universe haven't changed,I looked a little at your link,Anderson is no longer a Councilor because of the events of Retribution,dialogue choices are dumbed down but that doesn't interfere with the lore of the story. Previous two games had more plotholes than ME3.

The ending violated lore by being completely illogical (insert "so I heard you dont like synthetics.jpg" here) and by introducing in the last minute a character that has not at all been hinted at and a character you cannot disagree with. You have to "obey" with zero elaboration into why. You are pidgeonholed into selecting an end that is only cosmetically different from the two others. And its not "16" endings. Its not even "select a colour". Its just lazy and inane.

As they are machines without emotion,their logic does indeed make sense. They wipe out advanced life so that other cultures can rise and start another cycle. Other synthetics might destroy all organic life,advanced and primitive. Starchild was hinted by Sovereign and Rannoch Reaper as something beyond our comprehension,which is actually not but Reapers believed it is. And if Shepard could convince it to stop doing what he has been doing for millions of years with such certainty...
Also,there is a big difference between the endings,BioWare just got a little lazy at showing it. Big deal.

They don't wipe out, they harvest. And yet, according to the Catalyst, synthesis is the final evolution. Why store a civilization, instead of perfecting it (via synthesis)? It makes no sense from an 'evolutionary' standpoint. What the Reapers are doing is stagnating evolution by removing the most successful specimens from the process.

Modifié par bleachorange, 18 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[bleachorange]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Im glad you are here to enlighten us on the wrongdoings of our lives with you condescending holier than thou and bloated rhetoric. Its not at all inflammatory or patronizing.

I don't love the endings either, but a group of people who have equated them with rape, have "joked" about burning down Bioware and have compared themselves in scope and purpose to the Occupy Wall Street movement have really lost the right to call anyone else's rhetoric bloated or inflammatory.

Hello, Mr. Pot, have you met Mr. Kettle yet? Thought you two should get together since you have so much in common.

And yet you group everyone who doesn't like the endings with some outlying elements. Perhaps I should judge all Muslims this way. The world would clearly be a much better place. Not.

Modifié par bleachorange, 18 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[Traim Eisenblut]

elmephd1 wrote...

Esquin wrote...

Have you ever cried during a tv show or a movie? Or a book?

I have and I'm also emotionally invested in Mass Effect.

However, while the endings are bad, the hysteria over them is well over the top.

What's worse is, they're damaging the franchise. All this "hurt them in the wallet" only works if you believe EA cares about the Mass Effect. They don't, EA just cares about the money. Given the economy and the cost of AAA games, game companies are trying to play it safe. Hurt them in the wallet and they'll just keep it away from Mass Effect. That means little chance of future updates to the ending and certainly less likelyhood of any more games within the universe.

If they had all tried to be rational, giving well thought out critique (which some have) about the issues, then there's a high chance it would have been fixed. Instead they are having temper tantrums like a man-brat, stomping their feet while flaming and review bombing the game. As such EA will see no reason to poor any more resources into it.

No, a company will not spend money to change a product because someone is "reasoning" with them, they will spend money for a change if the returnrates promise to be higher than not changing anything. In this debate it has clearly been shown that BioWare and EA are losing money because people are not buying the DLC, people are cancelling thier subscription to TOR and future releases of the Mass Effect franchise or any other BioWare products will not sell as good as they could.
This effect is not accomplished by forged user-reviews on metacritic-sites, or ranting and bad behaviour. The protest against BioWare is so far very civil and can not be dismissed that easily.
No one tries to damage the franchise or BioWare as a company. The protesters goal is to show, that fixing the endings will offer greater profits to EA/BioWare with the game itself (through coming DLC sales, Multiplayer packs and so on), the franchise Mass Effect via upcoming spinoffs within the universe, merchandise, novels and comics and other future releases of BioWare.
Of course right now it hurts BioWare and EA. It's a mess from a businessperspective. But the situation can be handled to a mutual benefit, at least the damage can be reduced. And I think that is exactly what' s going on in the BioWare and EA headquarters right now: observing the situation, calculating the damage and looking for resolutions to reduce costs or even make a profit out of it.
Discontinuing the franchise would be a pretty bad businessdecision, as it`s obvious that Mass Effect 3 was planned to be a cashcow through future DLCs. Wasting such a promosing franchise would be a really bad businessdecision. I srsly doubt that it will come to that.

Modifié par Traim Eisenblut, 18 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[bleachorange]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame. If you feel it is more than that, consider reevaluating your lifestyle, because you've lost yourself in a fantasy world.

I seriously wonder if the ''hold the line'' folks get this worked up and active about real political/social causes in their home countries as they do about a game.

I do. I live in America, and it's normal to get worked up over politics. Hell, that probably happens everywhere. See what a big fight the "Health Care Law" turned into. See how many people think coroporate personhood is dumb. According to the Supreme Court of the United States of America, Electronic Arts is just as much of a person as you are.
Just so you know.

[garf]

Alethir wrote...

People seem to be annoyed that Shepard doesn't survive any ending. Need to pay more attention then. I've only seen the one ending (destroying synthetic life and mass relays) and you clearly see Shepard pushing some rubble off of himself just before the credits. Then after the credits we have the man and boy standing looking up at the stars, telling stories of a legendary hero, Commander Shepard. This could be years ahead of the end for all we know. It leaves so much room for your imagination. Also the boy asks for another story about Shepard, so this wasn't his only adventure. I thought the ending was great, much better than a big hurray we've killed the Reapers now let's all get aboard the Normandy and stand around for eternity (until some DLC arrives).

You obviously haven't been paying attention most people don't care that shepherd dies. And we get tired of having the 'you want rainbows and puppies' thrown in our faces. First off. Why not. Why can't we have a triumphant ending as one of the 16 very different choices we were promised? What exactly is wrong with that given all that has gone before in this game. They brought shepherd back from the dead after being dropped from ORBIT! please tell me what is narratively impossible after that.

Second as I've said before, for most of us (myself included ) it's not about 'happy endings' it about having No Closure, No sense, No future and No choice. The ending given us is so hard to accept people are ellevating the last enemy we kill to heroic status. They are re-enacting the non-death of Paul McCartney in an effort to PROVE that this can't be the end. It's desperate and would have been completely unecessary had whomever written the ending, read the rest of the tale and tried to finish it with something that would pass creative writing 101.

Modifié par garf, 18 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Zalbik]

brgillespie wrote...

To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

Yes...it is crap

[garf]

bleachorange wrote...

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

To think that a piece of entertainment could actually depress a person is incredibly sad. The ending is... well, it is what it is.

But to engender feelings of anguish and despair, leaving you shaking your fists in rage? Seriously? It may be a stereotype to say this, but... you know. Go outside. Foster relationships with actual people. Soak up some sunshine. It's just a videogame. If you feel it is more than that, consider reevaluating your lifestyle, because you've lost yourself in a fantasy world.

I seriously wonder if the ''hold the line'' folks get this worked up and active about real political/social causes in their home countries as they do about a game.

I do. I live in America, and it's normal to get worked up over politics. Hell, that probably happens everywhere. See what a big fight the "Health Care Law" turned into. See how many people think coroporate personhood is dumb. According to the Supreme Court of the United States of America, Electronic Arts is just as much of a person as you are.
Just so you know.

I'll believe a corporation is a person when Texas executes one.

[bleachorange]

garf wrote...

bleachorange wrote...
 See how many people think coroporate personhood is dumb. According to the Supreme Court of the United States of America, Electronic Arts is just as much of a person as you are.

Just so you know.

I'll believe a corporation is a person when Texas executes one.

Lol, very nice zinger.

[Kronner]

Complaining about complaining. Way to go.

[VolusvsReaper]

bleachorange wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

Sorry I don't read fairy tales.

-Doesnt matter. You still need to explain to these people they need psychiatric help. Im sure that will go over just fine. And when you are done with the bible there are a plethora of other books and scriptures you can dig into. Plus you had better start defaming all of those of faith who promoted science and logic. Because obviously they too needed help. And still do as many of science are still of faith.

You have alot of work ahead of you. Better get started.

I'd love to see him try this in Iran with the Quran. I'd like to see how long he lasted before he was executed for blasphemy or something. We could even place bets. Okay, so no bets. That's a little too much. But, you see what I mean.

Sorry I don't live in a barbaric country where women are like cattle and everyone is forced to have religion shoved down their throats.