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[RShara]

111987 wrote...

No. Even if you want to use kill, this is how it should be; Synthetics kill space-faring organics to make sure synthetics don't kill all organics.

There is a huge difference.

[Kelgair]

RShara wrote...

Kelgair wrote...

RShara wrote...

Or just continually blast things at the microscopic level so that only parameciums survive.

That's exactly the kind of thing the Reapers are trying to prevent, they don't WANT to kill all organic life. That's the kind of thing an AI would do to garuntee it doesn't have to fight organics again.

The only difference here is that the Reapers wait until the organic life realizes what is happening to it before it blasts it.

Except it's letting the life evolve and then adding that lifes diversity to its own ranks, pretty damn different than just blasting a life before it develops.

Modifié par Kelgair, 18 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[Biotic Sage]

JeosDinas wrote...

 

MrGPhantome wrote...

The same old "but.... they leave some people alive" arugment.

Sorry, but synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

 

My mistake. I confused you with someone who actually wanted to discuss things.

RShara wrote...
But there is still microscopic life, which will evolve eventually..

I'm not entirely sure I follow your argument here. What of microscopic life? It has no particular bearing on anything. Of course it will evolve. I rather believe that's partly the point. Control development, let it reach an acceptable apex, prune the garden as it were, and let lesser forms of life rise to develop along the lines deemed acceptable until you get to the second verse which is the same as the first.

Cold, calculated logic devoid of emotion or a sense of value for life does not mean it is illogical.  People fail to understand this.

[MrGPhantome]

JeosDinas wrote...
My mistake. I confused you with someone who actually wanted to discuss things.

No offense taken, I'm pretty sure there are some others who share your bad taste and talk to you.

[Zing Freelancer]

MrGPhantome wrote...

I just want everyone to absorb the title of the thread... and realize how insanely retarded that is.

That's the ending in a nutshell dipped in dog ****.

Please don't praise this premise of a story.

Actually Reapers kill advanced organic life to make way for the young, it's more about keeping the evoluion process going. If Protheans have not been wiped out, humanity would have no future. You can draw an analogy to our real world, as humans progress and expand on earth, the habitants of animal kingdom have to make way. If humans are allowed to continue the most likely outcome is that they become sole lifeforms on earth.

Eventually chances are that advanced organic life might create sythetic lifeforms that will erradicated advanced organic life form and all young lifeforms, stopping the evolution process.

[CavScout]

Biotic Sage wrote...
Cold, calculated logic devoid of emotion or a sense of value for life does not mean it is illogical.  People fail to understand this.

It's being lost on several it would seem.

[MrGPhantome]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Actually Reapers kill advanced organic life to make way for the young, it's more about keeping the evoluion process going. If Protheans have not been wiped out, humanity would have no future. You can draw an analogy to our real world, as humans progress and expand on earth, the habitants of animal kingdom have to make way. If humans are allowed to continue the most likely outcome is that they become sole lifeforms on earth.

Eventually chances are that advanced organic life might create sythetic lifeforms that will erradicated advanced organic life form and all young lifeforms, stopping the evolution process.

Who all die anyway when the cycle continues due to the ****ty premise of Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

We've done this argument back in page 2.

Modifié par MrGPhantome, 18 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[A Paperback Hero]

Ranicus56 wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

Heathen Pride wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

Wait..... thought Reapers were both synthetic and organic, using the us to create themselves, hence the human reaper

Yeah..I suppose they are. But they're controlled by Space Boy as we learn at the end, so they may as well be mindless golems that bend to the will of Space Boy.

My point is, they're not entirely synthetic, they're a hybrid

But reapers are controlled by a super synthetic AI...

Nice catch! Lets fix the phrase I guess. Hybrid synthetics made by synthetics to kill all organics to save the organics. Hmmm pretty much sounds the same. Thanks

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Heathen Pride wrote...

Seems legit. Whoever created the reapers were some really smart dudes.

Ok that picture really almost made me fall out of my chair lol.

Seen that floating around on teh interwebz before but LMAO 

[CavScout]

MrGPhantome wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Actually Reapers kill advanced organic life to make way for the young, it's more about keeping the evoluion process going. If Protheans have not been wiped out, humanity would have no future. You can draw an analogy to our real world, as humans progress and expand on earth, the habitants of animal kingdom have to make way. If humans are allowed to continue the most likely outcome is that they become sole lifeforms on earth.

Eventually chances are that advanced organic life might create sythetic lifeforms that will erradicated advanced organic life form and all young lifeforms, stopping the evolution process.

Who all die anyway when the cycle continues due to the ****ty premise of Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

We've done this argument back in page 2.

Repeating someting just means you're repeating it. It doesn't make it right no matter how many times you say it.

[JeosDinas]

Biotic Sage wrote...
Cold, calculated logic devoid of emotion or a sense of value for life does not mean it is illogical.  People fail to understand this.

Honestly, I don't think we're supposed to sit back and accept the general premise. Particularly since the game lets us outright refute it through our actions. The logic, as you say, is cold and born mostly of a type of cynical desperation. If one imagines the number of times the Catlyst has seen civilizations make the same mistakes over and over and over again, one might imagine how it could feel secure in it's mindset.

A Paperback Hero wrote...
Nice catch! Lets fix the phrase I guess. Hybrid synthetics made by synthetics to kill all organics to save the organics. Hmmm pretty much sounds the same. Thanks 

Well, until you sit back and try to suss out where the AI came from anyway.

Modifié par JeosDinas, 18 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[CavScout]

JeosDinas wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...
Cold, calculated logic devoid of emotion or a sense of value for life does not mean it is illogical.  People fail to understand this.

Honestly, I don't think we're supposed to sit back and accept the general premise. Particularly since the game lets us outright refute it through our actions. The logic, as you say, is cold and born mostly of a type of cynical desperation. If one imagines the number of times the Catlyst has seen civilizations make the same mistakes over and over and over again, one might imagine how it could feel secure in it's mindset.

Some must be confused and think that something be logical must mean it is "right".

[A Paperback Hero]

CavScout wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Actually Reapers kill advanced organic life to make way for the young, it's more about keeping the evoluion process going. If Protheans have not been wiped out, humanity would have no future. You can draw an analogy to our real world, as humans progress and expand on earth, the habitants of animal kingdom have to make way. If humans are allowed to continue the most likely outcome is that they become sole lifeforms on earth.

Eventually chances are that advanced organic life might create sythetic lifeforms that will erradicated advanced organic life form and all young lifeforms, stopping the evolution process.

Who all die anyway when the cycle continues due to the ****ty premise of Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

We've done this argument back in page 2.

Repeating someting just means you're repeating it. It doesn't make it right no matter how many times you say it.

Then why do you keep repeating yourself with your arguement of kill some = save some for killing later. Oh wait its kill some now, rest later =/= killing them all. 

Modifié par A Paperback Hero, 18 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[RShara]

JeosDinas wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

The same old "but.... they leave some people alive" arugment.

Sorry, but synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

My mistake. I confused you with someone who actually wanted to discuss things.

RShara wrote...
But there is still microscopic life, which will evolve eventually..

I'm not entirely sure I follow your argument here. What of microscopic life? It has no particular bearing on anything. Of course it will evolve. I rather believe that's partly the point. Control development, let it reach an acceptable apex, prune the garden as it were, and let lesser forms of life rise to develop along the lines deemed acceptable until you get to the second verse which is the same as the first.

By the point that their logic has been proven false, they outright admit it. And it's only been proven false through very specific circumstances.

My point is that other than timescale, there's no difference between killing everything at once, and killing everything every so often.
And that the only difference between what the poster was saying, (That synthetics would blast everything to the micro level, which STILL counts as organic) and what Reapers were doing, was that Reapers waited until you knew what was going to happen to you before they blasted you.

As I said, a premise of adding to their diversity (reproduction) would make sense. Killing everything that can think for itself so that others that can think for themselves can evolve to be killed so that everything that can think for itself....
that makes no sense.

[CavScout]

A Paperback Hero wrote...

CavScout wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Actually Reapers kill advanced organic life to make way for the young, it's more about keeping the evoluion process going. If Protheans have not been wiped out, humanity would have no future. You can draw an analogy to our real world, as humans progress and expand on earth, the habitants of animal kingdom have to make way. If humans are allowed to continue the most likely outcome is that they become sole lifeforms on earth.

Eventually chances are that advanced organic life might create sythetic lifeforms that will erradicated advanced organic life form and all young lifeforms, stopping the evolution process.

Who all die anyway when the cycle continues due to the ****ty premise of Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

We've done this argument back in page 2.

Repeating someting just means you're repeating it. It doesn't make it right no matter how many times you say it.

Then why do you keep repeating yourself with your arguement of kill some = save some for killing later. Oh wait its kill some now, rest later =/= not killing them all. 

At least try to be original when flailing about. Please.

[MrGPhantome]

CavScout wrote...
Repeating someting just means you're repeating it. It doesn't make it right no matter how many times you say it.

It makes it right when you are actually right.

I know you wouldn't know how that feels because you've been wrong this entire time.

[CavScout]

RShara wrote...
My point is that other than timescale, there's no difference between killing everything at once, and killing everything every so often. .

Yes because mowing the grass is the same as tearing all the lawn out and leaving nothing but dirt behind....

[RShara]

JeosDinas wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...
Cold, calculated logic devoid of emotion or a sense of value for life does not mean it is illogical.  People fail to understand this.

Honestly, I don't think we're supposed to sit back and accept the general premise. Particularly since the game lets us outright refute it through our actions. The logic, as you say, is cold and born mostly of a type of cynical desperation. If one imagines the number of times the Catlyst has seen civilizations make the same mistakes over and over and over again, one might imagine how it could feel secure in it's mindset.

A Paperback Hero wrote...
Nice catch! Lets fix the phrase I guess. Hybrid synthetics made by synthetics to kill all organics to save the organics. Hmmm pretty much sounds the same. Thanks 

Well, until you sit back and try to suss out where the AI came from anyway.

But his point is that the Reapers wipe out the advanced races before they reach that point, so how does he know that it is ALWAYS reached?

It might make more sense to do this once the synthetics start to win?  Rather than on a timetable?

[RShara]

CavScout wrote...

RShara wrote...
My point is that other than timescale, there's no difference between killing everything at once, and killing everything every so often. .

Yes because mowing the grass is the same as tearing all the lawn out and leaving nothing but dirt behind....

Sorry, but it's more like tearing out the grass here today, tearing out the grass there next week.

[A Paperback Hero]

RShara wrote...

JeosDinas wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

The same old "but.... they leave some people alive" arugment.

Sorry, but synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

My mistake. I confused you with someone who actually wanted to discuss things.

RShara wrote...
But there is still microscopic life, which will evolve eventually..

I'm not entirely sure I follow your argument here. What of microscopic life? It has no particular bearing on anything. Of course it will evolve. I rather believe that's partly the point. Control development, let it reach an acceptable apex, prune the garden as it were, and let lesser forms of life rise to develop along the lines deemed acceptable until you get to the second verse which is the same as the first.

By the point that their logic has been proven false, they outright admit it. And it's only been proven false through very specific circumstances.

My point is that other than timescale, there's no difference between killing everything at once, and killing everything every so often.
And that the only difference between what the poster was saying, (That synthetics would blast everything to the micro level, which STILL counts as organic) and what Reapers were doing, was that Reapers waited until you knew what was going to happen to you before they blasted you.

As I said, a premise of adding to their diversity (reproduction) would make sense. Killing everything that can think for itself so that others that can think for themselves can evolve to be killed so that everything that can think for itself....
that makes no sense.

Rshara you should be philosopher. I will leave this debate to you since I haven't slept yet after watching that CNN broadcast earlier. Good luck!

[CavScout]

RShara wrote...

But his point is that the Reapers wipe out the advanced races before they reach that point, so how does he know that it is ALWAYS reached?

It might make more sense to do this once the synthetics start to win?  Rather than on a timetable?

Do you have access to the history before the creation of the Reapers?

[alek2702]

MrGPhantome wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Actually Reapers kill advanced organic life to make way for the young, it's more about keeping the evoluion process going. If Protheans have not been wiped out, humanity would have no future. You can draw an analogy to our real world, as humans progress and expand on earth, the habitants of animal kingdom have to make way. If humans are allowed to continue the most likely outcome is that they become sole lifeforms on earth.

Eventually chances are that advanced organic life might create sythetic lifeforms that will erradicated advanced organic life form and all young lifeforms, stopping the evolution process.

Who all die anyway when the cycle continues due to the ****ty premise of Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

We've done this argument back in page 2.

Once again, it's Create controlled synthetics to kill advanced organics to make sure uncontrolled synthetics don't all kill organics.
And if it's just 'semantics and unnecessary adjectives' then I could render pretty much every plot nonsensical this way.
After all, Luke Skywalker kills people to save people from getting killed. NONSENSE!1!!1

Modifié par alek2702, 18 mars 2012 - 12:22 .

[RShara]

I'm going to bed in a min too. But thanks lol. I just wish that I could explain it better.

[Biotic Sage]

CavScout wrote...

JeosDinas wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...
Cold, calculated logic devoid of emotion or a sense of value for life does not mean it is illogical.  People fail to understand this.

Honestly, I don't think we're supposed to sit back and accept the general premise. Particularly since the game lets us outright refute it through our actions. The logic, as you say, is cold and born mostly of a type of cynical desperation. If one imagines the number of times the Catlyst has seen civilizations make the same mistakes over and over and over again, one might imagine how it could feel secure in it's mindset.

Some must be confused and think that something be logical must mean it is "right".

You guys are my new homies on these forums.

[Ksandor]

I just want to say this:

I always hated Battlestar Galactica crap. Sorry Bioware but your idea is retarded. Why do you assume that synthetics would always want to kill organics? Even in-game Shepard disproves this by making peace between Geth and Quarians. This crap assumes that by creating AI humanity tries to be a God and and God will destroy humanity through synthetics to punish us. This is standard fundamentalism and creationism. This is not science fiction, this is the Average Joe's blind fear of science. I hate it. I don't fear science and evolution and AI do not weaken my religious beliefs. I see no conflict between science and religion, and I DON'T feel the need of imagining murderous synthetics to justify my conflict.