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[cotheer]

Eterna5 wrote...

Lozark wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Close but not quite. Create synthetics to kill organics in order to preserve life.

Then why not, oh, kill synthetics to keep organics from being killed by synthetics?  And then, if we really want to get in depth, explain to the organics to quit mucking around with synthetics instead of killing them wholesale?

That's not what happened though.  Instead we made some synthetics to kill organics to keep those synthetics from killing organics.

 I assume it came to the point where organic life was on the verge of extinction and the lass races in the galaxies made the reapers as a last resort.

Knowing for sure it will happen again?
Douchebag race is douchebag.

[111987]

MrGPhantome wrote...

alek2702 wrote...

Actually it's: Create synthetic-organic hybrids to harvest/ascend advanced organics to make sure uncontrolled synthetics don't kill ALL organic life.

Somehow most of the whiners forget about these details....

Some how Bioware apologist always turns to semantics to make their arguments seem better.

That doesn't counter the points raised.

[dannati]

alek2702 wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Close but not quite. Create synthetics to kill organics in order to preserve life.

That's not what is presented in the narrative.

It's litteraly: Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

Actually it's: Create synthetic-organic hybrids to harvest/ascend advanced organics to make sure uncontrolled synthetics don't kill ALL organic life.

Somehow most of the whiners forget about these details....

We don't forget; the details are specious.  Thus we trim it down to the essence so it's at least humorous.

[Heathen Pride]

alek2702 wrote...

Lozark wrote...

Blending up all organic life and preserving the remains in a Reaper museum is not the same thing as saving organics.

They are saving the more primitive organics who would be wiped out by uncontrolled synthetics if the cycle didn't exist.

Welp I guess those Pyjaks would be ****ed in another 50,000 years were the reapers not stopped eh?

[shin-zan]

The reapers are the villains, they are supposed to be wrong. Though their reason is especially dumb, you could put it down to the reapers creators being some paranoid mad scientists with more than a few screws lose. What's missing is a way to call them out on how ridiculous their plan is, just tell them the circle is a solution to an nonexistent issue.

[A Paperback Hero]

alek2702 wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Close but not quite. Create synthetics to kill organics in order to preserve life.

That's not what is presented in the narrative.

It's litteraly: Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

Actually it's: Create synthetic-organic hybrids to harvest/ascend advanced organics to make sure uncontrolled synthetics don't kill ALL organic life.

Somehow most of the whiners forget about these details....

I like how organics a don't get a general vote to not want to be 'harvested' for ascension. After harvesting they then do not exist. If not existing is ascending then damn. Why don't we all just kill ourselves now.

Oh ya, thats right I am suppose to be taking this at face value from a space magic boy. I think the fact that he looks like a boy is what lowers the credibility of the deliverer even more. You think he would come out in the form of Hacket or Anderson, an image that Shepard already trusts. I am surprised with Shep half dead and probably delirious, didn't just lose his mind and jump off the crucible at that point.

[paralitos]

if the reapers left the mass relays so civilizations will develop the way they want them too, arent they guiding them to the technological path of creating synthetics since the beginning?

[MrGPhantome]

The perspective of the characters don't matter.

The core problem with the ending of Mass Effect 3 is the premise of the ending.

Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

That's the problem, the semantics behind the characters motivations don't overshadow the core problem.

Modifié par MrGPhantome, 18 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[111987]

SoraStrife wrote...

alek2702 wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Close but not quite. Create synthetics to kill organics in order to preserve life.

That's not what is presented in the narrative.

It's litteraly: Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

Actually it's: Create synthetic-organic hybrids to harvest/ascend advanced organics to make sure uncontrolled synthetics don't kill ALL organic life.

Somehow most of the whiners forget about these details....

Ive seen how Reapers are made. If that's not killing, I have no ****ing idea what is.

www.youtube.com/watch

That video explainshow Reapers are made. The harvested aren't actually killed, their minds are conjoined to form a collective consciousness.

Arguably that's worst than death, but that's another debate.

[111987]

paralitos wrote...

if the reapers left the mass relays so civilizations will develop the way they want them too, arent they guiding them to the technological path of creating synthetics since the beginning?

No...mass effect technology is unrelated to AI technology.

[A Paperback Hero]

MrGPhantome wrote...

The perspective of the characters don't matter.

The core problem with the ending of Mass Effect 3 is the premise of the ending.

Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

That's the problem, the semantics behind the characters motivations don't overshadow the core problem.

Truef

[111987]

MrGPhantome wrote...

The perspective of the characters don't matter.

The core problem with the ending of Mass Effect 3 is the premise of the ending.

Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

That's the problem, the semantics behind the characters motivations don't overshadow the core problem.

Except the premise you are presenting isn't entirely true, voiding your claim.

[Heathen Pride]

Not to mention EDI's love for Joker, and the Quarians and Geth possibly brokering peace disproves Space Boy's theory.

[MrGPhantome]

Blah

Modifié par MrGPhantome, 18 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[Tasker]

Been saying this since yesterday...


Despite the fact that at the end of ME3 all Synthetics but the Reapers are friendly and just want to live in peace -

Synthetics (Reapers), are wiping out organics because some retarded starchild reckons it's the best way to prevent synthetics from wiping out organics.

Modifié par Orkboy, 18 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[RShara]

If the organic minds are conjoined, explain harbinger. He's a pretty classic villain. And he's out for Shepard's blood. And he's a pretty unified entity. He doesn't behave or act like a *race* just like an individual, and a rather nasty one at that.

If that's ascension, then no thanks!

[alek2702]

MrGPhantome wrote...
Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

That's the problem, the semantics behind the characters motivations don't overshadow the core problem.

Again, create controlled synthetics to kill some organics to make sure uncontrolled synthetics don't kill all organics.

If you take out details like that, you can make every plot nonsensical.

Modifié par alek2702, 18 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[A Paperback Hero]

111987 wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

The perspective of the characters don't matter.

The core problem with the ending of Mass Effect 3 is the premise of the ending.

Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

That's the problem, the semantics behind the characters motivations don't overshadow the core problem.

Except the premise you are presenting isn't entirely true, voiding your claim.

Obviously Bioware did bad job with the narrative because that is what many players seem to be getting from it. May be if they would of kept that part in where you got to ask questions of space boy we might have understood better. Oh ya Casey said cut that out.

Modifié par A Paperback Hero, 18 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[cotheer]

paralitos wrote...

if the reapers left the mass relays so civilizations will develop the way they want them too, arent they guiding them to the technological path of creating synthetics since the beginning?

Thus making the entire "preventing singularity" bs, Citadel size plot hole.

[RShara]

Also, all the organics die in the end, whether in this cycle or the next so....it more or less IS all organics.

[MrGPhantome]

111987 wrote...
*snip

Again, Semantics.

[111987]

RShara wrote...

If the organic minds are conjoined, explain harbinger. He's a pretty classic villain. And he's out for Shepard's blood. And he's a pretty unified entity. He doesn't behave or act like a *race* just like an individual, and a rather nasty one at that.

If that's ascension, then no thanks!

A collective conscioussness is a unified entity. As Legion says: "One ship. One will. Many minds."

[alek2702]

MrGPhantome wrote...

111987 wrote...
*snip

Again, Semantics.

Not semantics but details crucial to understanding the ending.

[MrGPhantome]

111987 wrote...

RShara wrote...

If the organic minds are conjoined, explain harbinger. He's a pretty classic villain. And he's out for Shepard's blood. And he's a pretty unified entity. He doesn't behave or act like a *race* just like an individual, and a rather nasty one at that.

If that's ascension, then no thanks!

A collective conscioussness is a unified entity. As Legion says: "One ship. One will. Many minds."

Arguing the sementics of the characters motivations do not disprove the premise.

[A Paperback Hero]

111987 wrote...

RShara wrote...

If the organic minds are conjoined, explain harbinger. He's a pretty classic villain. And he's out for Shepard's blood. And he's a pretty unified entity. He doesn't behave or act like a *race* just like an individual, and a rather nasty one at that.

If that's ascension, then no thanks!

A collective conscioussness is a unified entity. As Legion says: "One ship. One will. Many minds."

And yet no control at all for those minds as we are told they are controlled by space boy. If they would of left the reapers as the main enemy and not added in space boy this would be a great legitimate ending.

Modifié par A Paperback Hero, 18 mars 2012 - 10:57 .