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[Venturisection]

Warden130 wrote...

The Reapers see it as preserving us. They don't care about saving individuals, only about saving the species as a whole. So they grind us up for our genetic material and make a new reaper to store us in so they can preserve us. Seems insane for us but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, atleast for the Reapers/Catalyst.

Is that why they wiped the Protheans out?

[CavScout]

MrGPhantome wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Is this where you shift the goal posts when your original premise is proven untenable? Don't stick your fingers in your ears to hard, I wouldn't want to see anyone hurt!

I see you've run out of arguments, should I consider this your concession?

So all you are left with is "I know you are but what am I" 3rd grade rebuttles. Nice.

[RShara]

Um
Let me correct that for you

Culling some organics while leaving others to live only to kill them later = Killing all organics so none are left alive
at the end

[CavScout]

A Paperback Hero wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RShara wrote...

They all end up dead. The end result is the same.

Culling some organics while leaving others to live = / = Killing all organics so none are left alive

And yet culling each organic over time systematically = all organic life dead anyway.

No future no point. No freedom to dictate their own demise synthetic or not = no point as well.

Except, for you know, the organic life left to live....

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

What if organics made synthetics to kill organics so they wouldnt be killed by synthetics, so that organics couldnt reach a high enough technological state to make time machines to go back in time to to stop organics from making synthetics designed to stop organics from making synthetics that would kill organics. This way synthetics can kill organics so organics dont make synthetics that would destroy organics forever.

[RShara]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

What if organics made synthetics to kill organics so they wouldnt be killed by synthetics, so that organics couldnt reach a high enough technological state to make time machines to go back in time to to stop organics from making synthetics designed to stop organics from making synthetics that would kill organics. This way synthetics can kill organics so organics dont make synthetics that would destroy organics forever.

My brain just exploded from the awesomeness of this statement.

[A Paperback Hero]

CavScout wrote...

A Paperback Hero wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RShara wrote...

They all end up dead. The end result is the same.

Culling some organics while leaving others to live = / = Killing all organics so none are left alive

And yet culling each organic over time systematically = all organic life dead anyway.

No future no point. No freedom to dictate their own demise synthetic or not = no point as well.

Except, for you know, the organic life left to live....

Who will be killed whether they like it or not because its already assumed they are going to make synths and be killed by them before they ever had the chance to make the decision. Their fate is sealed out of the box.

[MrGPhantome]

CavScout wrote...

So all you are left with is "I know you are but what am I" 3rd grade rebuttles. Nice.

If you have a real argument, then please by all means present it.

Disprove the flaw in the story's premise. So far you haven't.

Modifié par MrGPhantome, 18 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[CavScout]

RShara wrote...

Um
Let me correct that for you

Culling some organics while leaving others to live only to kill them later = Killing all organics so none are left alive
at the end

If they always leave some organics alive... then there will always be organics alive....

[lltoon]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

What if organics made synthetics to kill organics so they wouldnt be killed by synthetics, so that organics couldnt reach a high enough technological state to make time machines to go back in time to to stop organics from making synthetics designed to stop organics from making synthetics that would kill organics. This way synthetics can kill organics so organics dont make synthetics that would destroy organics forever.

Makes sense to me....

[MrGPhantome]

CavScout wrote...

If they always leave some organics alive... then there will always be organics alive....

Who get killed anyways.

You do realise that we are right? Don't you?

Modifié par MrGPhantome, 18 mars 2012 - 11:52 .

[A Paperback Hero]

MrGPhantome wrote...

CavScout wrote...

So all you are left with is "I know you are but what am I" 3rd grade rebuttles. Nice.

If you have a real argument, then please by all means present it.

Disprove the flaw in the story's premise. So far you haven't.

Truef. We are still debating so obviously no one is convince star boy is the messiah of organics we lead to believe yet.

[MalevoIence]

JeosDinas wrote...

Threads like these convince me that people either don't pay full attention to the game as they are playing it or willfully create strawman arguments just for the sheer hell of it. The fact that the thread title fundamentally gets in game information incorrect should tell us all we need to know.

like that the Reapers are hybrids of synthetics and organics, not just synthetic.... yea I know

[RShara]

CavScout wrote...

RShara wrote...

Um
Let me correct that for you

Culling some organics while leaving others to live only to kill them later = Killing all organics so none are left alive
at the end

If they always leave some organics alive... then there will always be organics alive....

Who will then be killed.

The OP's point, and the reason for the thread:  It's a meaningless, nonsensical, zero result, self defeating cycle where the end result is always death.

But that doesn't scan as well.

[Raxxman]

Also people need to better define what it means to be synthetic and organic.

The general term organic implies something that is either carbon based (ala organic chemsitry) or something naturally derived.

The term synthetic has 2 meanings. and the one which is most valid is something which is artificially produced. But even then their sources are often natural in origin (IE synthetic polymers are often derived from petrochemicals, which in turn are derived from dead organic animals). Ergo the concept of when something becomes synthetic becomes washy (I actually did some work on this last year with a product, needless to say it's a real mess of red tape). That said beyond a certain level of processing something can cease to be natural. I think it's fair to say that the reapers go well beyond the point.

It's also not really clear what the reapers are doing when they create one, as pumping goo from tubes into something doesn't really make anything but a mess (and a foul smelling one at that). We can't even be sure if the reapers are even organic (carbon based) in nature or a complex sillicon based lifeform who's personality is somehow shaped by DNA/mashed up brains. There's simply too little information to draw an accurate conclusion.

[Kelgair]

RShara wrote...

Um
Let me correct that for you

Culling some organics while leaving others to live only to kill them later = Killing all organics so none are left alive
at the end

Except that they always leave organics alive for the next cycle of harvest. In other words there will always be organics. In other words the hybrid is garunteeing the survival of organic life.

[A Paperback Hero]

CavScout wrote...

RShara wrote...

Um
Let me correct that for you

Culling some organics while leaving others to live only to kill them later = Killing all organics so none are left alive
at the end

If they always leave some organics alive... then there will always be organics alive....

And yet, those organics left alive are dead at the door and they don't even know it. If your going to just keep killing all organic life because, for eons ,they always make the same mistace just wipe them out. Efficiency itself makes space boy rediculous.

Modifié par A Paperback Hero, 18 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[CavScout]

MrGPhantome wrote...

CavScout wrote...

If they always leave some organics alive... then there will always be organics alive....

Who get killed anyways.

You do realise that we are right? Don't you?

If they always leave some organics alive... then there will always be organics alive....

You're not right. You're simply blinded. Clearly the Reapers leave organics alive, they have everytime but you want to argue that they don't.

Modifié par CavScout, 18 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[Soldatto Rosso]

Soooo... if you did the synergy ending, does that mean that the techno-organics would create other techno-organics who would then rebel and kill all the techno-organics?

[SimKoning]

Eterna5 wrote...

Close but not quite. Create synthetics to kill organics in order to preserve life.

And why exactly would some extremely advanced form of synthetic alien life go around killing off all organic life as it evolves? Shouldn't it be busy building Dyson spheres around black holes or creating it's own pocket universe or something? The premise is absurd. What's worse, that is EXACTLY what the Reapers are doing: killing off biological life forms when they reach a certain level of complexity. The only rational reason a galactic civilization would have for this would be to maintain their dominant position within the galactic ecology. The Reapers only make sense if they are cybernetic apex predators hell-bent on maintaining their control over the galaxy.  

[MrGPhantome]

Being a hybrid synthetic doesn't matter;

The fact is that these artificially created objects are killing naturally created objects, so that artificially created objects don't kill naturally created objects.

Or in better terms: Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

[Mandemon]

alek2702 wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Close but not quite. Create synthetics to kill organics in order to preserve life.

That's not what is presented in the narrative.

It's litteraly: Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

Actually it's: Create synthetic-organic hybrids to harvest/ascend advanced organics to make sure uncontrolled synthetics don't kill ALL organic life.

Somehow most of the whiners forget about these details....

Nooooope. It's just "synthethics will always rebel and kill all organic life, so I kill all advanced organic life to that synthethics can't be created" whic his jsut stupid. Why not get in, explain the situation, destroy synthethics, make clear that if they pull this again Reapers will harvest them?

Why wipe out galactic civilizations before anything happens in the most horrific way possible?

[A Paperback Hero]

Soldatto Rosso wrote...

Soooo... if you did the synergy ending, does that mean that the techno-organics would create other techno-organics who would then rebel and kill all the techno-organics?

The synergy ending further makes no sense if space boy had that power the whole time why didn't he just do it and be done with it so synths and organics could just get a long from the get go. I don't see why he needed a Shepard to step on his porch to do it. I guess he was a lazy space jesus. But after all he is just a kid so you gotta expect some mistakes.

Modifié par A Paperback Hero, 18 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[RShara]

Kelgair wrote...

RShara wrote...

Um
Let me correct that for you

Culling some organics while leaving others to live only to kill them later = Killing all organics so none are left alive
at the end

Except
that they always leave organics alive for the next cycle of harvest. In
other words there will always be organics. In other words the hybrid is
garunteeing the survival of organic life.

A Paperback Hero wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RShara wrote...

Um
Let me correct that for you

Culling some organics while leaving others to live only to kill them later = Killing all organics so none are left alive
at the end

If they always leave some organics alive... then there will always be organics alive....

And yet, those organics left alive are dead at the door and they don't even know it. If your going to just keep killing all organic life because, for eons ,they always make the same mistace just wipe them out. Efficiency itself makes space boy rediculous.

Or just continually blast things at the microscopic level so that only parameciums survive.

[A Paperback Hero]

Mandemon wrote...

alek2702 wrote...

MrGPhantome wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Close but not quite. Create synthetics to kill organics in order to preserve life.

That's not what is presented in the narrative.

It's litteraly: Create synthetics to kill organics to make sure synthetics don't kill organics.

Actually it's: Create synthetic-organic hybrids to harvest/ascend advanced organics to make sure uncontrolled synthetics don't kill ALL organic life.

Somehow most of the whiners forget about these details....

Nooooope. It's just "synthethics will always rebel and kill all organic life, so I kill all advanced organic life to that synthethics can't be created" whic his jsut stupid. Why not get in, explain the situation, destroy synthethics, make clear that if they pull this again Reapers will harvest them?

Why wipe out galactic civilizations before anything happens in the most horrific way possible?

OH ****! Logically bargaining with organics! No weeeeeeeeey! They dumb they need 'ascension' to mind goo.