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[SLPr0]

Hi...I'd just like to point out that Cailan was not using a color coordinated Keening Blade Longsword with his prissy gold "I'm the King" Armor.

Nor is even whats being shown accurate to what we personally saw in the game itself.

Come on BioWare get a grip you can't keep using that damn model, its not common in Ferelden human, dwarven or elven smithery. In fact its not even common Orlesian smithery....just where does that kind of smithing design come from? Its not reconciled anywhere in the fantasy lore, its simply a model tacked into the game with the meaningless Gaxkhang side quest and its only reasonable explanation is its somehow "Fade" forged.

But yet there it is again, its in use for the Keening Blade and for the Starfang Longsword.

Someone in the art department needs to find whoever's fallen in love with that model and slap them across the face really hard several times.

[Loetek]

Yeah i like pie too.

[Gen-An]

Well, I like Juggernaut set a lot, and I don't see why its that bad to change its color but.. tbh I agree in part with you though.

[MartinJHolm]

I don't get the OP, what is he talking about?

[Loetek]

MartinJHolm wrote...

I don't get the OP, what is he talking about?

Well for one i think he is trying to say that the king was using a two hander not a sword and shield. And I also think the was trying to say that the design for that sword is unrealistic for the times. I wouldn't know seeing as how i was never alive then... nor was i in a fake video game world.

[valis123]

Tbh, I'm looking forward to Return to Ostagar but I really hope they don't go 'WoW mode' with over the top weapons and armours. The king's armour look's fine to me though

[Loetek]

In my opinion, the kings armor should look different from everyone elses... hes the king after all. And as far as the long sword looking all wowish... yeah i can see that, but its a video game /shrug.



In real life if you gave me the choice between a plain jane Rapier or a giant Nasty lookin, gem studded, serrated Great Sword with baby heads dangling by chains from the end of the handle, I would go with the Rapier. It only takes 2 inches to kill someone. You just wont look cool doing it.

[SLPr0]

Gen-An wrote...

Well, I like Juggernaut set a lot, and I don't see why its that bad to change its color but.. tbh I agree in part with you though.

Not worried about the armor, the armor is concurrent with  what Cailan was wearing at Ostagar.

Issue is the sword and shield are not concurrent and if someone at Bioware dares to call that longsword King Maric's Blade I will start killing kittens.

Since King Maric's blade is pretty constantly shown throughout the books that he has a preference for 2 handed weaponry, the sword he finds in the Deep Roads is a 2 handed sword that in description bears out the texture design of Starfang to a certain degree but not the models in use with it.

Cailan himself is shown on the field using a 2 handed dwarven greatsword, maybe hes got a specially made "Keening Blade" and a shield in his tent or something...who knows, but seriously why would the King of Ferelden be wielding a blade like that? It makes no sense.

The 2 handed dwarven greatsword made some sense, given David Gaider's explanation that Maric died at sea, so its of potential assumption that Maric's 2 hander was lost with him, but Cailan using a 2 handed sword is an obvious choice for a son emulating his father (the kings armor obviously comes later past The Calling because in Stolen Throne Maric wears dwarven plate and in The Calling he wears a Silverite set).

So armor...fine, great, thats good. But that sword model has got to stop appearring....its not lore effective. Take that texture map and place it on a weapon more reasonable to common racial smithing designs and its fine. But continuing to use the Keening Blade model for the "uber" swords  in DA:O is becoming frustrating beyond belief.

The damn thing isn't even logical as a weapon, you can't thrust with it, its slashing ability is questionable due to the irregularities of the blade design and the guard could barely be expected to catch and turn aside a dagger, much less another sword.

Yes I'm nitpicking, but seriously DA:O has a wealth of lore behind it, and an obvious amount of development went into at least a tacit attempt to represent variant racial arms designs, which was very cool...then we have this stupid Keening Blade model and its popping up far too often and its not practical, lore respectful or even viably explained anywhere.

[Spaceweed10]

Seems a fair point - all I saw him with was a 2h, and then a bag of bones on the floor .

[Loetek]

The sword looks like the Crystal Swords from diablo 2... just not glowing whitish blue of coarse.

[Loetek]

Spaceweed10 wrote...

Seems a fair point - all I saw him with was a 2h, and then a bag of bones on the floor .

Thats right!!!! how the hell could anyone possibly use that armor after what happened to it?

[Hunter246]

I think ill will wait till a bunch of dlcs come out then ill won;'t be playing a hour of gameplay per dlc

[Gen-An]

Oh sorry, my bad, well.. hope the screenshots are not accurate to actual DLC gameplay

[J.O.G]

But isn't this the king's armor? I mean we go back to the battlefield to scavenge and loot the king's corpse? Wouldn't that be kinda... immoral? Would Leliana approve?

[sevenslashfour]

Sounds like you're just nerd raging for the sake of nerd raging.



Because god forbid a WARRIOR has a collection of WEAPONS, eh? Just because he didn't use it doesn't mean he didn't own it. I mean, christ, you get Duncan's Shield in the game. In the regular, DLC-less, didn't-pay-extra-for-it game.



Duncan is a rogue.



People collect things, use different fighting styles for different situations, and to explain it in terms of game mechanics, lore characters aren't bound by limited talent points.



I don't know why I'm trying, though. You're also nitpicking (yes, you are) about how the sword is shaped. It's a fantasy game. You're saying a sword in a fantasy video game looks too weird. Think about that.

[zeejay21]

Hey, I like it. Who cares if it's accurate or not?

[Killian Kalthorne]

Well, the DLC could alter what the King looked like before he died and shouw his weapon use and shield at those points. That way continuity can be maintained.

[SLPr0]

sevenslashfour wrote...

Sounds like you're just nerd raging for the sake of nerd raging.

Because god forbid a WARRIOR has a collection of WEAPONS, eh? Just because he didn't use it doesn't mean he didn't own it. I mean, christ, you get Duncan's Shield in the game. In the regular, DLC-less, didn't-pay-extra-for-it game.

Duncan is a rogue.

People collect things, use different fighting styles for different situations, and to explain it in terms of game mechanics, lore characters aren't bound by limited talent points.

I don't know why I'm trying, though. You're also nitpicking (yes, you are) about how the sword is shaped. It's a fantasy game. You're saying a sword in a fantasy video game looks too weird. Think about that.

A fantasy video game that has a raft of established racial variant arms design in regards to armors and weapons...then this one "unique" blade that has no lore. no racial arms design premise, and no one, and I mean no one, in the game, actually wields one other than the player.

Its a blatant attempt to make a "cool sword", when what they really didn't consider is that most of the "common" racial variant models are very cool all by themselves.

All I'm asking is what smith is making this sword? Its not available anywhere in the standard installation other than from the Gaxkhang Keening Blade drop, it reappears in the Warden's Keep DLC as the Starfang Longsword and now we see it here in someones hand that is wearing the set of armor that Cailan was wearing at Ostagar.

Is it a Tevinter style blade? Is it a Fade forged blade? What is the lineage and lore to it? Thats what I'm arguing here.

Why use that sword model when you could take...for example the "Warden's Longsword" model, give it a nice texture map like that, and it would be even cooler and more lore appropriate?

Thats my complaint. Its not really nerd rage, its just the sword is stupidly out of place even in a fantasy game because said fantasy game already has a heavily represented and described set of racial arms design variants and that sword design fits NONE of them.

[Loetek]

Its a scary sword.... very scary.

[darkshadow136]

Game companies always go generic on Modifiable games. Could they make different models yes, and make things more accurate at the same time. But in the grand scheme of things it's the modding community that makes the coolest looking stuff.



Look at Oblivion and the other Elder scrolls games a lot of stuff was generic in that game so it could be easily Modded, or at least modder friendly for the tool set. then within 6 months you had modders creating Rome in full detail and alterations and particle weapons and clothing and more to the highest detail and variation.





Bottom line if BioWare or Betsheda made the games to the highest detail and such it would be harder to mod so a person could add a personal touch to their game. You would need a Supercomputer to run those type of graphics with mods. As a person who has been through this game 4 times now I'm looking forward to new content.

[J.O.G]

At least we have no need for a mod featuring huge cartoon swords...

[Seifz]

As far as I'm concerned, BioWare is just lazy when it comes to armor and weapon models. If Blizzard can adds hundreds of new weapon and armor models with every patch, then surely BioWare could have created more than a handful in five years. That's one of the biggest shortcomings with this game.

[Viglin]

SLPr0 wrote...

sevenslashfour wrote...

Sounds like you're just nerd raging for the sake of nerd raging.

Because god forbid a WARRIOR has a collection of WEAPONS, eh? Just because he didn't use it doesn't mean he didn't own it. I mean, christ, you get Duncan's Shield in the game. In the regular, DLC-less, didn't-pay-extra-for-it game.

Duncan is a rogue.

People collect things, use different fighting styles for different situations, and to explain it in terms of game mechanics, lore characters aren't bound by limited talent points.

I don't know why I'm trying, though. You're also nitpicking (yes, you are) about how the sword is shaped. It's a fantasy game. You're saying a sword in a fantasy video game looks too weird. Think about that.

A fantasy video game that has a raft of established racial variant arms design in regards to armors and weapons...then this one "unique" blade that has no lore. no racial arms design premise, and no one, and I mean no one, in the game, actually wields one other than the player.

Its a blatant attempt to make a "cool sword", when what they really didn't consider is that most of the "common" racial variant models are very cool all by themselves.

All I'm asking is what smith is making this sword? Its not available anywhere in the standard installation other than from the Gaxkhang Keening Blade drop, it reappears in the Warden's Keep DLC as the Starfang Longsword and now we see it here in someones hand that is wearing the set of armor that Cailan was wearing at Ostagar.

Is it a Tevinter style blade? Is it a Fade forged blade? What is the lineage and lore to it? Thats what I'm arguing here.

Why use that sword model when you could take...for example the "Warden's Longsword" model, give it a nice texture map like that, and it would be even cooler and more lore appropriate?

Thats my complaint. Its not really nerd rage, its just the sword is stupidly out of place even in a fantasy game because said fantasy game already has a heavily represented and described set of racial arms design variants and that sword design fits NONE of them.

Now it may just be me...but if l was King...ld probrably request a unique looking sword.
And if l was any type for warrior, ld carry more then one weapon.

Your nitpicking.
You also have the choice to not buy the DLC.

[SLPr0]

Eh I'm buying the DLC regardless, I just find that sword model completely out of period and annoying.