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[Oliver Sudden]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

...DLC could alter ...continuity...

I think my head hurts.

[Krogan Face]

I got sick of seeing all the space age or cartoon looking weapons my self. What about the Diethag Shanker...or something like that, i mean a curvy bent blade? Who would make that and why?

[Seifz]

Viglin wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

sevenslashfour wrote...

Sounds like you're just nerd raging for the sake of nerd raging.

Because god forbid a WARRIOR has a collection of WEAPONS, eh? Just because he didn't use it doesn't mean he didn't own it. I mean, christ, you get Duncan's Shield in the game. In the regular, DLC-less, didn't-pay-extra-for-it game.

Duncan is a rogue.

People collect things, use different fighting styles for different situations, and to explain it in terms of game mechanics, lore characters aren't bound by limited talent points.

I don't know why I'm trying, though. You're also nitpicking (yes, you are) about how the sword is shaped. It's a fantasy game. You're saying a sword in a fantasy video game looks too weird. Think about that.

A fantasy video game that has a raft of established racial variant arms design in regards to armors and weapons...then this one "unique" blade that has no lore. no racial arms design premise, and no one, and I mean no one, in the game, actually wields one other than the player.

Its a blatant attempt to make a "cool sword", when what they really didn't consider is that most of the "common" racial variant models are very cool all by themselves.

All I'm asking is what smith is making this sword? Its not available anywhere in the standard installation other than from the Gaxkhang Keening Blade drop, it reappears in the Warden's Keep DLC as the Starfang Longsword and now we see it here in someones hand that is wearing the set of armor that Cailan was wearing at Ostagar.

Is it a Tevinter style blade? Is it a Fade forged blade? What is the lineage and lore to it? Thats what I'm arguing here.

Why use that sword model when you could take...for example the "Warden's Longsword" model, give it a nice texture map like that, and it would be even cooler and more lore appropriate?

Thats my complaint. Its not really nerd rage, its just the sword is stupidly out of place even in a fantasy game because said fantasy game already has a heavily represented and described set of racial arms design variants and that sword design fits NONE of them.

Now it may just be me...but if l was King...ld probrably request a unique looking sword.
And if l was any type for warrior, ld carry more then one weapon.

Your nitpicking.
You also have the choice to not buy the DLC.

But, it's not a unique sword.  It's already been used a bunch of times.

[VanDraegon]

SLPr0 wrote...



Hi...I'd just like to point out that Cailan was not using a color coordinated Keening Blade Longsword with his prissy gold "I'm the King" Armor.

Nor is even whats being shown accurate to what we personally saw in the game itself.

Come on BioWare get a grip you can't keep using that damn model, its not common in Ferelden human, dwarven or elven smithery. In fact its not even common Orlesian smithery....just where does that kind of smithing design come from? Its not reconciled anywhere in the fantasy lore, its simply a model tacked into the game with the meaningless Gaxkhang side quest and its only reasonable explanation is its somehow "Fade" forged.

But yet there it is again, its in use for the Keening Blade and for the Starfang Longsword.

Someone in the art department needs to find whoever's fallen in love with that model and slap them across the face really hard several times.

You are making a lot of assumptions that you cannot possibly know the answers to. How do you kow all the armor designs for Orlais? The Dwarves? What makes you think that is King Cailan's sword?

If you dont like their designs for other models, whip something up yourself...

[Inarai]

Okay, let's say you're right and it doesn't match normal sword design.

He's the king, dammit. You think he picks his weapons up off a rack? Most of his stuff was probably custom-forged, which could account for it not looking the same as most weapons. Maybe the smith based it on the descriptions of some legendary blade, or perhaps that was the most efficient way to fold lyrium in.

And Ferelden may reflect medival Europe in many ways, but it isn't medival Europe.  Which renders your "out of period" argument pointless.

Modifié par Inarai, 29 novembre 2009 - 08:28 .

[SLPr0]

VanDraegon wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...



Hi...I'd just like to point out that Cailan was not using a color coordinated Keening Blade Longsword with his prissy gold "I'm the King" Armor.

Nor is even whats being shown accurate to what we personally saw in the game itself.

Come on BioWare get a grip you can't keep using that damn model, its not common in Ferelden human, dwarven or elven smithery. In fact its not even common Orlesian smithery....just where does that kind of smithing design come from? Its not reconciled anywhere in the fantasy lore, its simply a model tacked into the game with the meaningless Gaxkhang side quest and its only reasonable explanation is its somehow "Fade" forged.

But yet there it is again, its in use for the Keening Blade and for the Starfang Longsword.

Someone in the art department needs to find whoever's fallen in love with that model and slap them across the face really hard several times.

You are making a lot of assumptions that you cannot possibly know the answers to. How do you kow all the armor designs for Orlais? The Dwarves? What makes you think that is King Cailan's sword?

If you dont like their designs for other models, whip something up yourself...

I'm not saying it is Cailan's sword I'm simply saying that its nicely texture mapped to match the Kings Armor so it seems a potential item thats part of the DLC content.

I know the armor and arms designs for all the given content we have in a 3D format so far. I know that is not an Orlesian Blade, though it shares the hilt style of the Orlesian Greatsword (which I think is simply the product of recycling parts for models)The Keening Blade model is an anomoly amongst a relative wealth of racial and national arms and armor styles (as compared to any game so far, which has never really addressed the difference in arms smithing designs from race to race or nation to nation with any real complexity).

[DaeFaron]

Heh, Though without the helm and add a 2h sword, that'd be the king right there in the picture.



I wouldn't say its out of the question they he would have a custom sword and shield.

[SLPr0]

Inarai wrote...

Okay, let's say you're right and it doesn't match normal sword design.

He's the king, dammit. You think he picks his weapons up off a rack? Most of his stuff was probably custom-forged, which could account for it not looking the same as most weapons. Maybe the smith based it on the descriptions of some legendary blade, or perhaps that was the most efficient way to fold lyrium in.

And Ferelden may reflect medival Europe in many ways, but it isn't medival Europe.  Which renders your "out of period" argument pointless.

No it doesn't, because Ferelden and Thedas itself has its own period. And the reflection of medieval Europe and the books and the games own content base in regards to swords contradicts that blade design as being period for the time or the product of any known racial smithing design.

[smurfdude]

Talk about nerdy

[SLPr0]

DaeFaron wrote...

Heh, Though without the helm and add a 2h sword, that'd be the king right there in the picture.

I wouldn't say its out of the question they he would have a custom sword and shield.

Not out of the question at all, but the sword itself is the suspicious and distasteful part of it.

As stated back in one of my threads about Starfang, it looks like Voltron's sword for the love of god.

You take all this great lore and all the great designs which fit the lore and period and then you drop that thing in there and it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

[Zealuu]

As long as you can get the twohander as well, I don't really mind. Though I have to say, that sword design looks like something out of WH40K. I thought the Orlesians were the ones with an Emperor, so that they could SERVE, IN HIS NAME.

[Unknown Username]

Have to say I kind of agree with the OP. Not a fan of that blade design, specifically of starfang. Just picked it up, and it feels...out of place.

[SLPr0]

smurfdude wrote...

Talk about nerdy

I'm not ashamed of being a lore focused role player. I also don't really have a problem being called a nerd, or being a nerd seeing as its apparently made me who I am today...which I'm quite happy with really.

[Inarai]

SLPr0 wrote...

Inarai wrote...

Okay, let's say you're right and it doesn't match normal sword design.

He's the king, dammit. You think he picks his weapons up off a rack? Most of his stuff was probably custom-forged, which could account for it not looking the same as most weapons. Maybe the smith based it on the descriptions of some legendary blade, or perhaps that was the most efficient way to fold lyrium in.

And Ferelden may reflect medival Europe in many ways, but it isn't medival Europe.  Which renders your "out of period" argument pointless.

No it doesn't, because Ferelden and Thedas itself has its own period. And the reflection of medieval Europe and the books and the games own content base in regards to swords contradicts that blade design as being period for the time or the product of any known racial smithing design.

As I said:  It has it's own period.  Yes, it largely reflects medival Europe - this does not mean that they cannot go beyond that.

As I also said:  This may be custom design.  If that's the case, it's quite probable that it might not resemble normal blade design.

[Walina]

Is it the same king armor ?









To be honest, I won't be against having more fancy armors and haircut like those (please don't ban me, just giving ideas xD)

















I want my mage to be so pettry like her xD

[Slaign]

The Kings armor looks great, and so does the Blood Dragon armor, but neither are practical. Insisting the weapons look bland and practical is a little dumb to me. I'd rather they go in a more real looking, ornate design philosophy than glowing and cartoonish, but that sword is not over the top.

You seem to be resisting an artistic direction in favor of keeping everything bland and utterly real. I want to be excited to wear armor and weapons for more than just stats. I want them to look cool too. If you want real, go to a renaissance fair. In a world of dragons, magic, and darkspawn, the weapons and armor of the greatest hero of the time should look fantastic.

You are not some peasant. Nor are you even a typical knight. You are the biggest badass of the period, and you are raiding the tombs, crypts, and dungeons no other man or women would dare enter, recovering artifacts of great power thought eternally lost or even fictional. You are going to look way more powerful and fearsome than anyone else.

You act as if the people of medieval times didn't dress up their armor and weapons to be as ornate and eye catching as possible, even to the point of impairing function. The more ornate and eye catching your gear was, the more respect and power you were understood to have. So in a world where glowing runes can be forged into weapon to envelope them in fire and lightning, why would you even begin to think the king's sword would not look unconventional?

I don't support going technicolor like WoW, but I want cool looking blades. Besides the Massive armor, most of the armor and weapons in the game look very bland. The light armor is absolutely horrible, especially on females. The bland weapons and armor is what made gearing up in Oblivion so boring. This game has some pretty decent art, but if ANYTHING they can afford to go more fantastic. They most definately do not need to go more real and bland.

All I ask is blades that look nasty and terrifying. The kind of fantastic blades you can find on any fantasy sword shop's web site. Why shouldn't I be able to have cool looking daggers like this or axes like this in a fantasy game?

If over the course of this games life, DLC doesn't give me more options for badass weaponry and hopefully add some decent looking armor that isn't Massive, I will be very dissappointed, and while I'm not overly impressed by that blade design, complaining that it isn't period is just going to push them away from experimenting with cool designs and keep giving us gear that looks right out of a farmer peasant's closet.

Krogan Face wrote...

I got sick of seeing all the space age or cartoon looking weapons my self. What about the Diethag Shanker...or something like that, i mean a curvy bent blade? Who would make that and why?

You mean, like a Kris? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris Or a Kukri? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kukri

Plenty of blades are curved for a variety of reasons.

[Lord Beretor]

Seriously, it's a unique skin for a sword, that's it. God forbid that BioWare wanted the player and the King of Ferelden to look great.

Modifié par Lord Beretor, 29 novembre 2009 - 09:48 .

[Forsakerr]

about the person who mentioned Maric's blade in the prima guide they say it s a 1h sword , we also know it did nt made it in game because the quest for it was nt good enough and was cut due to time restraints ,so it could be it or maybe not who knows

[Ghandorian]

Maybe he had the 1h&shield on his II slot. All he had to do was "/" to change them . . . .

[adam_nox]

lol referencing books... get a freakin life.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Seifz wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, BioWare is just lazy when it comes to armor and weapon models. If Blizzard can adds hundreds of new weapon and armor models with every patch, then surely BioWare could have created more than a handful in five years. That's one of the biggest shortcomings with this game.

It's been an issue with every Bioware game in recent years (Kotor, Mass Effect etc) it's seems to just be how they do things.  They focus on making the world and the combat and ignore the not so important stuff like armour models.  I mean, atleast for myself it's a running joke that Bioware can't make good headgear (as evidenced by the mage hats) in their games.  

Although comparing them to Blizzard is a bit silly.  Bioware's focus is on story and gameplay and Blizzard's is on aesthetics (all of their stuff is art driven with outdated, basic gameplay mechanics that haven't evolved in years) so of course their focus is on producing armour and weapons.

[Tennmuerti]

I am just curious. Why are people assuming that it is the prince's sword?

It's not like you can see the guys head, maybe it is simply the PC wearing the prince's armor and using a sword he also found at Ostagar. Does it say somewhere specifically that this is the picture of the prince? I might have missed something so I might be wrong. To me it just looks like a dude that is wearing his armor.

[Inarai]

Tennmuerti wrote...

I am just curious. Why are people assuming that it is the prince's sword?
It's not like you can see the guys head, maybe it is simply the PC wearing the prince's armor and using a sword he also found at Ostagar. Does it say somewhere specifically that this is the picture of the prince? I might have missed something so I might be wrong. To me it just looks like a dude that is wearing his armor.

That's King, not Prince.

And the assumption is that it's showing off a set.

[Tamerlane94]

i get what the OP is saying, i went from start to finish on my first playthrough with the Oathkeeper longsword because i didnt want a stupid looking weapon (sword blade and starfang)....really loved that this game took on heavy inspiration from Norman, Anglo-Saxon and medieval themes to make for the most part realistic looking weaponry and armour and well that particular model (along with saw blade) does look out of place in the setting of the game.

Having said that, there is a mod that someone created where u can create ur own weapons, think its called Winter Forge or something (hats off to creator of that). I might just use that so i dnt have to have silly looking arming swords

[Deathstyk85]

sevenslashfour wrote...

Sounds like you're just nerd raging for the sake of nerd raging.

Because god forbid a WARRIOR has a collection of WEAPONS, eh? Just because he didn't use it doesn't mean he didn't own it. I mean, christ, you get Duncan's Shield in the game. In the regular, DLC-less, didn't-pay-extra-for-it game.

Duncan is a rogue.

People collect things, use different fighting styles for different situations, and to explain it in terms of game mechanics, lore characters aren't bound by limited talent points.

I don't know why I'm trying, though. You're also nitpicking (yes, you are) about how the sword is shaped. It's a fantasy game. You're saying a sword in a fantasy video game looks too weird. Think about that.

im not too sure that duncan is a rogue.
he had what seemed to be plate armor on, and warriors dual wield too. wich would also explain why he had a shield, that wasnt with him at the time he died, dual wielding.