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#126
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David Gaider wrote...

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Since King Maric's blade is pretty constantly shown throughout the books that he has a preference for 2 handed weaponry, the sword he finds in the Deep Roads is a 2 handed sword that in description bears out the texture design of Starfang to a certain degree but not the models in use with it.

Err... not to suggest anything with relation to RtO, but you're very wrong. Both books frequently refer to Maric's blade as a longsword. Not a greatsword or a 2-handed sword. Maric is pictured holding the blade in both hands on the cover of the Stolen Throne, but I assure you it really is a longsword.

The blade that was in the files for DAO was never put into the game, insofar as I'm aware. I think there was an intention to do so, but the plot where you got it was eventually cut.

Whether you like the style of the blade or not, it's pretty close to the one pictured on the Stolen Throne cover. And I'll leave it at that.


All I want to say is THANK YOU. Two-Handed weapons suck.....not that I ever thought Maric was wielding one of those things but it's always nice to see official confirmation shutting down nonsense speculation that contradicts the obvious. Regardless of whether the golden sword we gat from RtO is Maric's or not it sure looks awesome and appears to be tier 8 starmetal......which would make it impossible for it to be Maric's because Maric's sword was dragonbone if I remember correctly.

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You could always let Alistair wear that armor, I think his bro would like for him to have it if he passed it along to anyone (assuming it is Cailan's armor and not Maric's, but it would still be fitting). As to the model of the sword, it ain't terrible and who's to say it isn't effective as a straight up chopper. The material is quite obviously magically enhanced so you can't exactly argue that it won't be able to cut anything since what we have in reality to compare it to is steel...and we all know that's just tier 3 and not even magical. Image IPB

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TheGreenLion wrote...

You could always let Alistair wear that armor, I think his bro would like for him to have it if he passed it along to anyone (assuming it is Cailan's armor and not Maric's, but it would still be fitting). As to the model of the sword, it ain't terrible and who's to say it isn't effective as a straight up chopper. The material is quite obviously magically enhanced so you can't exactly argue that it won't be able to cut anything since what we have in reality to compare it to is steel...and we all know that's just tier 3 and not even magical. Image IPB


I won't spoil anything but I'd rather pass that king armor to a nug before Alistair....nobody....and nothing....is less deserving of it. Alistair can keep wearing that Tier 1 dwarven armor I got especially for him. I will put it on my PC most of the time since my main PCs will be the most deserving of it......seeing their present entanglements.

The RtO sword appears to be like the Starfang....tier 8 starmetal which is awesome.

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I use the Starfang sword in game as currently it is one of the better blades I've come across. (Haven't had the game that long, and I'm only 20 percent into it) However, that said, the design is horrible and completely useless as anything other than a large steel club. Putting and edge on it would be nice, but it'd do just about as well without one. It reminds me of the Atlantean blade out of Conan, another wholly non-functional blade.

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I didn't say ol Alistair deserved it, just that it might be fitting as per the last owner. Optimally yes my PC would probably wear it in any case...specially if it happens to be more uber than the Blood Dragon or Warden Armor stat-wise.

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Downwood wrote...

I use the Starfang sword in game as currently it is one of the better blades I've come across. (Haven't had the game that long, and I'm only 20 percent into it) However, that said, the design is horrible and completely useless as anything other than a large steel club. Putting and edge on it would be nice, but it'd do just about as well without one. It reminds me of the Atlantean blade out of Conan, another wholly non-functional blade.


Hmm? It does wonders for me. I am particularly pleased with the damage.....better than anything else I have.....and I have played A LOT.....8 complete playthroughs with all sidequests and 87/87 achievements.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 08 janvier 2010 - 05:03 .


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[quote]SLPr0 wrote...

[quote]Gen-An wrote...

The damn thing isn't even logical as a weapon, you can't thrust with it, its slashing ability is questionable due to the irregularities of the blade design and the guard could barely be expected to catch and turn aside a dagger, much less another sword.


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Now, im not saying I actually like the design of the blade...I dont. Not really. And the colour's they use are very "wow-ish"...but to say that the blade wouldnt be effective is just plain wrong. IF you have the strength to weild something like that, thrusting would be incredibly painful and due to the irregularities of the blade, you'd be doing some massive internal damage that would not heal right, if at all. (Kris daggers, Sveinhandr's, Gae Bolga's, that sorta thing) and slashing, again, if you've got the strength to do it, then the slash would be like using a serrated edge, or at least I think thats the idea behind the design. In Dragon Age were looking at armour that looks like anything from "banded" to full plate, Gothic, Milanese or "White Armour."

The earlier armours in the game, the splint and mail: the best way to deal with someone in that is a slash at the joints or a crushing weapon like an ax or mace. Mail was made to mainly protect against thrusting, since spears were the weapon of choice (or rather, circumstance) among the rank and file. Spears were relatively cheap to make and easy to use. Also keep in mind that not many warriors wore ANY armour beyond leather. If you saw someone in full mail then they were probably a lord, a knight, a professional warrior. And in the ranks, professional warriors were far and few between.

Standing armies didnt truly exist (aside from a few asides like the Roman Empire AFTER the Marian reforms) until the 14th and 15th centuries. Before that you had farmer/ soldiers making up the mass of an army. You never saw an army of knights in full plate charging down their enemies on massive destriers like you do in the movies. A suit of plate could cost as much as a small castle. A true war horse even more. Not many could afford something like that. The advent of plate also brought around a larger use of mass weapons. A sword will glance of a pauldron or vambrace while a mass weapon might not cut through the armour but anything underneath i.e. bones, will be smashed to pieces. In regards to the crosspiece of the sword in question, well...your main defence doesnt come from the sword. Its coming from the shield, so the guard doesnt really come into play that much. (Who wants to spend all that time grinding dings out of a blade? Its a pain in the arse, take it from someone who knows. And it doesnt matter HOW good your steel is, its GOING to get dinged if your using it to block another blade.) Shields were in use by far more soldiers, be they professional or otherwise. It was another cheap and effective way to outfit your army. The famous shieldwalls of the Saxon is a prime example. The bulk of the Saxon army was made up of farmers, yet they were known all over the world for the shield work.

All that being said, no, i dont think the dev's took all that much into consideration when designing the blade and probably someone just thought it looked cool so we'll use it. Your not going to find a design like that in any history books. Maybe some African or other Eastern weapon (a khopesh had a pretty funky look to it and that was Egyptian) but as far as European goes, they were pretty keen on the strait edge/ mass weapon thing due to the fact that in regards to the armour being used, those weapons are the most effective in dealing with them. Yeah, I kinda got way off topic. Forgive me. I just wanted to point out; functionality wise, that sword isnt as bad as dude up above is making it out to be.

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Seifz wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, BioWare is just lazy when it comes to armor and weapon models. If Blizzard can adds hundreds of new weapon and armor models with every patch, then surely BioWare could have created more than a handful in five years. That's one of the biggest shortcomings with this game.


Really? Because the Tier 9 armor sets in WoW looked like crap, and there was no variety to be found, so that's kind of a bad example. Actually, I'm looking at some T10 gear now...not that much of an improvement - I'd almost rather have my T8 just for purely cosmetic reasons, as I hate how my shaman's T9 looks (including the horrible color choices). :P Anyway, I'd rather have BioWare putting time into the story, characters & dialogue (things that count) rather than the bloody armor models (if they can, yes, it would be nice to have more variety - just not at the cost of things that are more important).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 09 janvier 2010 - 09:54 .


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Indriju wrote...

 (Who wants to spend all that time grinding dings out of a blade? Its a pain in the arse, take it from someone who knows. And it doesnt matter HOW good your steel is, its GOING to get dinged if your using it to block another blade.)


Oh lordy, don't get me started:

cut to scene: blade shop, white box lying on table returned from customer. Blade shop employees gathered around. Head of blade shop opens box, pulls out $1500 sword with massive ding in the blade. Employees shake their heads sadly and return to work.

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on blades , i always wanted to know why the sword from wardens keep couldnt have been a option to do a axe as well... but oh well I hope down the rode they add a lil more content of weapons and armor, mostly for mages and rogues where they dont all look the same


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well considering this is a fantasy realm, with no basis in any real land, there is no con current timeline to compare it to, so the " not concurrent with the timeline" is really a stupid argument. That's the point of fantasy is it not?

Choose either reality or fantasy, not both.   and don't even get me started on the rediculousness of steampunk (shudders)

Modifié par metalica11, 08 janvier 2010 - 05:38 .


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Solostran85 wrote...

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Doesn't the king use the Yurasis(spelling) you know the "dragon slayer" sword?

And wasn't it blue?


Blue?! I don't think so.

It's called Yusaris sword: The Dragon Slayer. That I believe is the "model" of the Cailans two-handed sword if not the actual sword he uses.

http://media.photobu...gonslayer-1.jpg

Modifié par MassEffect762, 08 janvier 2010 - 06:01 .


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MassEffect762 wrote...

Solostran85 wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

Doesn't the king use the Yurasis(spelling) you know the "dragon slayer" sword?

And wasn't it blue?


Blue?! I don't think so.

It's called Yusaris sword: The Dragon Slayer. That I believe is the "model" of the Cailans two-handed sword if not the actual sword he uses.

http://media.photobu...gonslayer-1.jpg


Note: Thanks to mods over at Nexus  you can make a pc that looks exactly like cailan, face, armor, Yusaris sword and poof you're king cailan. LOL.

Well that was weird, sorry for the double post, meant to edit not quote myself.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 08 janvier 2010 - 06:06 .


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metalica11 wrote...

well considering this is a fantasy realm, with no basis in any real land, there is no con current timeline to compare it to, so the " not concurrent with the timeline" is really a stupid argument. That's the point of fantasy is it not?

Choose either reality or fantasy, not both.   and don't even get me started on the rediculousness of steampunk (shudders)


Actually, its very concurrent with a timeline. The armour is all around 14-1500's. Orlais= France. Denerim is comparable to England. The weapons are also in line with the armour types. We see heavy, crushing weapons in Dragon Age of the style used during those ages. I mean, ok, yeah, it IS fantasy, but to say that its a stupid arguement is...well, stupid. The style of game is far more in touch with the Middle Ages than it is with Iron or pre-Iron age civilization or Renassaince. We dont see any cannon or powder weapons but there are crossbows (precursors to powder weapons) and while crossbows have been around since pre-Roman times, the style used in Dragon Age wasnt seen until the early 1300's. I could go on and on, but I shant. But I will say, Steampunk rocks.

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especially the connection on religion is brilliant...

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I'm sorry, but who said that was King Cailan?

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I hearby announce that the sword shown in the pic is now only available as a FORCED download, SLPr0's characters (regardless of skill sets) will permenantly use this weapon (also hereafter known as Meric's Blade) and with every swing the blade will announce in a really whiny and annoying voice "I'm King Maric's Blade!"

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Seifz wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, BioWare is just lazy when it comes to armor and weapon models. If Blizzard can adds hundreds of new weapon and armor models with every patch, then surely BioWare could have created more than a handful in five years. That's one of the biggest shortcomings with this game.


I agree with this poster. Dragon Age is seriously limited when it comes to weapons and armor. I mean where are the spears, warhammers, flails etc.? I just want a bit of variety, all my char. weare the same things for every playthrough more or less except my main. A bit more customization is required, maybe the expansion will fix that.

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That blade is partially...impractical. You can only chop with it. The same goes for that dagger...whats the point in forging a short blade for chopping? Buffles me to some degree...

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ok..... i get what your talking about, but at the same time im laughing my rear off because of what your talking about. you created a thread because you didnt like the way the sword looked........ >.>....... in a made up, not real in anyway, entirely fictional, FANTASY vidoe game...... >.>. if you dont like the sowrd because it keeps making fun of you and making faces then put it in your bag and dont use it (it cant see you from there trust me :P ).

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Indriju wrote...

metalica11 wrote...

well considering this is a fantasy realm, with no basis in any real land, there is no con current timeline to compare it to, so the " not concurrent with the timeline" is really a stupid argument. That's the point of fantasy is it not?

Choose either reality or fantasy, not both.   and don't even get me started on the rediculousness of steampunk (shudders)


Actually, its very concurrent with a timeline. The armour is all around 14-1500's. Orlais= France. Denerim is comparable to England. The weapons are also in line with the armour types. We see heavy, crushing weapons in Dragon Age of the style used during those ages. I mean, ok, yeah, it IS fantasy, but to say that its a stupid arguement is...well, stupid. The style of game is far more in touch with the Middle Ages than it is with Iron or pre-Iron age civilization or Renassaince. We dont see any cannon or powder weapons but there are crossbows (precursors to powder weapons) and while crossbows have been around since pre-Roman times, the style used in Dragon Age wasnt seen until the early 1300's. I could go on and on, but I shant. But I will say, Steampunk rocks.


yes but its either FANTASY or REALITY not both. the game is a fantasy style game it can have what ever it wants in it because its a fantasy, made up, not real (except for duncan come to found out he is real, i met him...good man), ......but everything else is fake. that was there point yes its based off  time periods but there is no timline its actually following.

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hangmans tree wrote...

That blade is partially...impractical. You can only chop with it. The same goes for that dagger...whats the point in forging a short blade for chopping? Buffles me to some degree...


That tip looks practical enough to stab with and thats really what you would want to do if fighting a heavily armored person/baddie.  It does look pretty thick so it could be more akin to a cleaver as far as the body is concerned and that would work very well on lighter armored opponents. Even someone in plate you gets lets say a chop to the arm up around the shoulder is going to feel it. And depending on craftmenship and materials (ever see what happens when a bronze sword meets a steel one. It is not pretty so we could say the same about maybe steel plate meeting a well forged dragonbone or red steel since they seem to be of a much higher quality) could easily break that armor.

Just speculation since... well we do not live in fereldan and I do not have any dragonbone or red steel to experiment with :)

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hangmans tree wrote...

That blade is partially...impractical. You can only chop with it. The same goes for that dagger...whats the point in forging a short blade for chopping? Buffles me to some degree...


I honestly can picture it as a weapon designed for shredding, though I don't have any knowledge about how real swords work. In my mind I can imagine a person, assuming they land a hit in, pulling the sword back while it's still in the enemy and the "spikes" doing a considerable amount of damage as a result.

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to all who are comparing that fantasy sword to real life, those normal swords you all refer to, are used for stabbing, yet in this game you slash with them....



because it looks awesome and it's a game....

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jayeto1 wrote...

Indriju wrote...

metalica11 wrote...

well considering this is a fantasy realm, with no basis in any real land, there is no con current timeline to compare it to, so the " not concurrent with the timeline" is really a stupid argument. That's the point of fantasy is it not?

Choose either reality or fantasy, not both.   and don't even get me started on the rediculousness of steampunk (shudders)


Actually, its very concurrent with a timeline. The armour is all around 14-1500's. Orlais= France. Denerim is comparable to England. The weapons are also in line with the armour types. We see heavy, crushing weapons in Dragon Age of the style used during those ages. I mean, ok, yeah, it IS fantasy, but to say that its a stupid arguement is...well, stupid. The style of game is far more in touch with the Middle Ages than it is with Iron or pre-Iron age civilization or Renassaince. We dont see any cannon or powder weapons but there are crossbows (precursors to powder weapons) and while crossbows have been around since pre-Roman times, the style used in Dragon Age wasnt seen until the early 1300's. I could go on and on, but I shant. But I will say, Steampunk rocks.


yes but its either FANTASY or REALITY not both. the game is a fantasy style game it can have what ever it wants in it because its a fantasy, made up, not real (except for duncan come to found out he is real, i met him...good man), ......but everything else is fake. that was there point yes its based off  time periods but there is no timline its actually following.


No ****e sherlock. Dude didnt say "is this a fantasy game or a reality based game?" He said it had no basis in history, no "concurrent theme" with anything historical.