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[Ibecomedeath]

First off, I'm not convinced either way about the Indoctrination Theory, it's one way to make sense of everything that happened at the end etc, but untill I get something solid outta Bioware, I'm chalking it up to being good speculation, nothing more...

Something I've not really seen mentioned though, is that the Normandy SR2 has had a Reaper based IFF system for months... Anyone consider that this might actually make the Indoctrination theory even more believable? Shepard has been in near proximity to Reaper tech for a long time, on board his own ship...

James' comment about 'what's the hum?' got me thinking along this line... The Normandy may in fact be the source of indoctrination, if this theory proves to be correct...

[SLPr0]

When James started saying that I thought some **** was going to go down. But it never really panned out.

Also I believe given the Alliance stance on Reaper Tech, the Reaper IFF would have been removed from the SR2 while it was in dry dock, either for quarantine or study.

Actually the Reaper IFF as a plot device has always been a rather weak plot device, if you were to take it literally it would mean that having one installed would identify your ship to Reapers as simply another Reaper....so...why not mass produce them, install them on every ship in the galaxy and win by conventional arms and the element of confusion and surprise?

[Aligalipe]

SLPr0 wrote...

When James started saying that I thought some **** was going to go down. But it never really panned out.

Also I believe given the Alliance stance on Reaper Tech, the Reaper IFF would have been removed from the SR2 while it was in dry dock, either for quarantine or study.

Actually the Reaper IFF as a plot device has always been a rather weak plot device, if you were to take it literally it would mean that having one installed would identify your ship to Reapers as simply another Reaper....so...why not mass produce them, install them on every ship in the galaxy and win by conventional arms and the element of confusion and surprise?

They have eyes you know ..

[shengar]

If IFF have indoctrination device and they keep it for a month, Shepard should already indoctrinated since the start of Arrival. I believe the mission in derelict reaper and 2-3 hours exposure to the reaper artifact in Arrival is enough to do a little indoctrination seed on Shepard

[Ibecomedeath]

SLPr0 wrote...

When James started saying that I thought some **** was going to go down. But it never really panned out.

Also I believe given the Alliance stance on Reaper Tech, the Reaper IFF would have been removed from the SR2 while it was in dry dock, either for quarantine or study.

Actually the Reaper IFF as a plot device has always been a rather weak plot device, if you were to take it literally it would mean that having one installed would identify your ship to Reapers as simply another Reaper....so...why not mass produce them, install them on every ship in the galaxy and win by conventional arms and the element of confusion and surprise?

First up, EDI mentions that the Reaper IFF is still on board and functioning during one of the non-cutscene conversations you have with her...

AS far as reverse engineering it, I had considered too, but I would imagine the Reapers are smarter than that, and besides, it was more than 37million years old, would make sense that Reaper IFF systems have changed and it was a long shot it would even work with the Omega 4 relay...

[Possessed Turian]

For the sake of finding more like minded people how do you people feel about this. Ido realize this is a year old thread.

Okay boys and girls I'm going to school you on how to prove indoctrination theory.

All of me 3 was a dream. Everything in me2after you spot legion with your sniper rifle on the IFF mission, when he shoots the two husk, where you find the dragons teeth was a dream.

Why would you liquefy humans to make a human Reaper. It is not practical. A more practical solutions shock troops for civilian population. Also humans are the test subject for Collected Reaper mutation gas. That is why we find the pile of dead bodies on the supposedly disabled collector cruiser. Those bodies where failed test. Once they developed a working gas they tried it on one of their own to make sure it worked for other species.

Next why did the collectors disappear after me 2 that couldn't have been all of them. The Reapers would uses them just as they used all the other races.

No one would pledge to fight the Reapers. Even after the Turians got there ass kicked yeah. I'm aQuarian admiral and I say bah humbug to the Reapers Iwant to kill Geth. Hm.

Gerrel was acomplete ass in ME3 a character change from ME2. Gerrel may have wanted to kill the Geth, which Isupport,but he wasn't stupid.

Tali jumped sides in ME3 from ME2. Suddenly she felt sorry for the Geth. Sense when pre ME3 she'd go down fighting calling the Geth evil then now she's friends with one. Really. I'm not that trusting and my history with the Geth isn't that bad.

The crucible. Three ready made choices. Destroy could work shoot a containment unit and cause a massive reaction. okay, that I give you. Why would there be place to vaporize yourself. Stick your hands in here and become a hire being. Yeah listen to the catalyst he's responsible for everything that happened. Sorry makes no sense. Why would the Reaper just give up. Synthesis run and jump into a beam of green light that makes a hybrid DNA of synthetic and organic. This is a Yoda moment there is only is and is not, do or do not. DNA is DNA. On and off in a silicon processingchip is just acomputern. Even then this would not remove hate. Organics would still fire on the Reapers, they would not understand what had just happens, that the Reapers learned to love, causing the Reapers to fire back. Results Reapers still win this one. Choosing to do nothing out of character for Shepard the whole point was to destroy the reapers. The most any of this should have is a effect on Shepard's view of synthetic. My Shepard is distrusting and wants them all dead.

It took the entire Quarian flotilla to stop adestroyer but a thanex missile can kill one. Why don't the ships above earth time there shots better.

The point is you were indoctrinated by the semi dead Reaper on the IFF mission. That's where it starts

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 08 décembre 2013 - 05:53 .

[Face of Darkness]

Calling ME3 a dream seems like going too far, but I do agree that it was important in the indoctrination process somehow, definitely one of the more key events

[NeonFlux117]

Possessed Turian wrote...

For the sake of finding more like minded people how do you people feel about this. Ido realize this is a year old thread.

Okay boys and girls I'm going to school you on how to prove indoctrination theory.

All of me 3 was a dream. Everything in me2after you spot legion with your sniper rifle on the IFF mission, when he shoots the two husk, where you find the dragons teeth was a dream.

Why would you liquefy humans to make a human Reaper. It is not practical. A more practical solutions shock troops for civilian population. Also humans are the test subject for Collected Reaper mutation gas. That is why we find the pile of dead bodies on the supposedly disabled collector cruiser. Those bodies where failed test. Once they developed a working gas they tried it on one of their own to make sure it worked for other species.

Next why did the collectors disappear after me 2 that couldn't have been all of them. The Reapers would uses them just as they used all the other races.

No one would pledge to fight the Reapers. Even after the Turians got there ass kicked yeah. I'm aQuarian admiral and I say bah humbug to the Reapers Iwant to kill Geth. Hm.

Gerrel was acomplete ass in ME3 a character change from ME2. Gerrel may have wanted to kill the Geth, which Isupport,but he wasn't stupid.

Tali jumped sides in ME3 from ME2. Suddenly she felt sorry for the Geth. Sense when pre ME3 she'd go down fighting calling the Geth evil then now she's friends with one. Really. I'm not that trusting and my history with the Geth isn't that bad.

The crucible. Three ready made choices. Destroy could work shoot a containment unit and cause a massive reaction. okay, that I give you. Why would there be place to vaporize yourself. Stick your hands in here and become a hire being. Yeah listen to the catalyst he's responsible for everything that happened. Sorry makes no sense. Why would the Reaper just give up. Synthesis run and jump into a beam of green light that makes a hybrid DNA of synthetic and organic. This is a Yoda moment there is only is and is not, do or do not. DNA is DNA. On and off in a silicon processingchip is just acomputern. Even then this would not remove hate. Organics would still fire on the Reapers, they would not understand what had just happens, that the Reapers learned to love, causing the Reapers to fire back. Results Reapers still win this one. Choosing to do nothing out of character for Shepard the whole point was to destroy the reapers. The most any of this should have is a effect on Shepard's view of synthetic. My Shepard is distrusting and wants them all dead.

It took the entire Quarian flotilla to stop adestroyer but a thanex missile can kill one. Why don't the ships above earth time there shots better.

The point is you were indoctrinated by the semi dead Reaper on the IFF mission. That's where it starts

Food for thought I guess. But, I think you've been drinking a little to much of that Turbo_J and choose wisely koolaid.

These things are just plotholes and retcons of scrub writers they don't know the lore established by Drew K. There was no narrative cohession in ME3. Hence why the narrative and plot are so bad. The ending was just he precipice of this.
 

[BioWareMod02]

Resurrection of a one year old thread? No, thanks.