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[Spectre_Shepard]

I hope so. i really do

[disfunktional]

goatman42 wrote...

disfunktional wrote...

parrmi22 wrote...

No way. There's simply no way that any game developer, regardless of how evil or saintly they are, would deliberately hold back the true ending to of an IP to boost DLC sales. I genuinely feel as if they thought this was a brilliant ending, all "deep" and stuff. All this "we'll discuss the ME3 endings" talk just means they'll try to explain what it means and why they thought it was epic.

Maybe it's just my cynical nature talking, but I don't believe for a second that any ending fix is incoming. It's so sad. However, a small part of my soul is hoping I'm wrong.

Sorry... A little game called "Prince of Persia" did exactly that. One month before the game came out the devs started working on dlc that was actually the ending and it cost fans 10$. That does not mean we will be charged anything for what BW has in mind (if they do). 

That DLC ending was a lie though. It did nothing to further the story and still left the game on a clifhanger.

Not the point. The point was very clearly for a fact a company has held back an ending for dlc. This is incontrovertibly the truth... It has happned, anyone who thinks it is not possible ME3 could have dlc epilogue becuase no company has before is simply wrong.

It does not prove ME3 will have DLC epilogue... It does however disporove what some base there idea that there wont be.

 

Modifié par disfunktional, 19 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[Beanicus]

As far as I see it, if they decide to do nothing they must announce it very soon. Otherwise all these hints are going to enrage people even more. BSN will become even more enraged (if possible) if they suddenly announce a while down the line that they're doing nothing on the endings.

Modifié par Beanicus, 19 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[crimsontotem]

"1% of the games overshadow 99% of the game combines"

I never thought that was possible but you are right. 1% of bull**** can completely overshadow 99% of pure epicness.

BW know they made a mistake.... if they don't well... they will never recuperate from this damage.

[dfstone]

People thought the same about DA2's silly ending.

[joshko]

I've had this in the back of my mind for a while.

[durasteel]

They ran out of time. Really, I think it is a simple as that - they weren't sure about the ending, so they worked on everything else, right up to the very last minute, then just scripted and animated the rough concept outline that they had without going through their normal process of refinement.

The story of Mass Effect isn't AI versus organics. No matter how much you try to shoe-horn it into that mold, it won't fit. Shepard has all the AI on his side, while the only allies the Reapers have are organic. No, the story of Mass Effect is the Reapers vs. galactic civilization, with the continued existence of all space-faring races hanging in the balance. That story doesn't depend on the Reapers being synthetic - if they were giant telepathic space cuttlefish the story would be the same in every significant way. The Geth and Rachni have different back-stories, but fill functionally the same role in the story, so the whole AI vs. Organic theme is contrived and awkward.

Likewise, the character of the star child is completely unnecessary. Harbinger was established as the Big Bad in the build up to this game, and it should have been Harbinger's voice that was the counterpoint to Shepard's in the final encounter. Harbinger as the face of the Reapers versus Shepard as the hero of the combined people of the galaxy--that would have been epic, and right. You would have cared about the confrontation with Harbinger, because you would have already known he was The Enemy.

Shepard was fighting to save the Galaxy, not just the human race and Earth. I guess some renegade Shepards would be willing to save the Earth, save humanity, and let the rest burn, but a "save the Council" Shepard is fighting for the people and civilization of the Galaxy. If the galaxy is plunged into a dark age, Shepard fails. It's a simple as that. Working to stop the reapers and end the 50k cycle has a purpose, and it is not possible to realize that purpose in any of the colors of the ending. If the Galaxy is toasted, Shepard has failed to save it. The possibility that it might start to recover within Liara's lifetime doesn't really change that fact.

These issues are obvious, and the response to them is predictable. The people that worked on Mass Effect 3 are smart, talented, and capable - their track record proves it. For this ending to be released with this game requires a breakdown in the creative process at BioWare Edmonton, and "The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3" makes the conclusion inescapable: the game was rushed out the door before it was ready, and the end suffered for it.

Modifié par durasteel, 19 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[pro5]

I used to have some hope they have a secret plan until Casey's official response.

That response destroyed all hope because it makes no sense for him to not give us even a slightest hint this was all planned. He defended the endings as they are.

Also, Bioware's Jarrett Lee (marketing manager, if I recall correctly) posted here on BSN saying "it's hard to see such fan reaction after all hard work". He wouldn't say that if they expected such reaction.

My current belief is they intended to end on a easter-egg kind of cliffhanger and intentionally inserted many hints that Shepard might be indoctrinated and survive at the end - with a long-term goal of continuing the series in ME4 or a distant epilogue DLC. Their mistake is they didn't foresee such backlash and outrage from the fans who were led to believe by the marketing campaign ME3 is the end of the series.

If this is indeed the case, hopefully right now they have been forced back to the planning table / drawing board (whatever the producers at Bioware use) and are re-examining their plans for the series (to release the ending DLC much sooner than planned with inclusion of all the abundant feedback).

Modifié par pro5, 19 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[dfstone]

I think they focused so much attention on polishing up the combat system that they forgot about the story.

[Kingthlayer]

dfstone wrote...

People thought the same about DA2's silly ending.

Well to be honest, BioWare did come out and say that they were going to give all the companions an ending through DLC.  I guess the DLC we got for DA2 didn't sell that well though so they decided to just leave it as it is.

Also DA2 is not the ending of the Dragon Age series, they can easily expand on that ending in Dragon Age 3.  There is no next Mass Effect game, the ending we got is the ending we got.  BioWare wanted to end Mass Effect this way, I'm not sure why they decided to plough the galaxy but they did.

[ReiCow]

Beanicus wrote...

As far as I see it, if they decide to do nothing they must announce it very soon. Otherwise all these hints are going to enrage people even more. BSN will become even more enraged (if possible) if they suddenly announce a while down the line that they're doing nothing on the endings.

Even though I feel they are doing a free continuation & real ending dlc, I agree with the sentiment that they should announce it soon. The longer this drags out, the more cruel it becomes.

Moo.

[Armass81]

Maybe. Or maybe they keep lying. Who knows, world is a strange place.

For Biowares sake I hope they have something planned to douse the fires.

Modifié par Armass81, 19 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[Rune-Chan]

The alternative theory is that for whatever bizarre reason, Bioware could not predict how much people would despise the ending. They cannot openly admit that they screwed up, not so soon after the games release so they do two things:

They mostly keep quiet. This is to avoid more quotations being used against them, and to avoid seeming concerned.

They occasionally speak out, when they do it is vague promises of something awesome being planned, they do this to keep placate the angry fans, while they come up with something.

I sincerely doubt Bioware had planned anything regarding the ending before the anger at the ending hit the net, for whatever reason they either thought the ending wasn't bad, or else didn't care that it was.

I'd like to think that the ending was a hallucination/dream designed to be picked apart, and that they always planned to release a real ending at a later date (for free, seeing as charging an extra $10 for a real ending would be unforgivable), but I honestly cannot buy this, if it were the case then they'd have said something, even vague to hint at this.

[SlyTF1]

I'm convinced too. If I wasn't I'd be RAGING a lot more than I am now. I would have made a video, cursed out employees and everything. I'd have to call them up (I doubt they'd answer anyway) and talk to them personally. But I'm convinced there are far greater things at work here than we can possibly comprehend as mere humans.

[Thornne]

Based on the response from Bioware so far, and the sudden push-back in social media today, I too suspect they are going to do something legendary -- they are going to ignore the problem and eat the losses.

Which is a real shame IMO, to see them torch a fine franchise, but it is their business decision to make.

[slyborg]

Even if they had something big planned, it has been executed poorly. They've had people selling ALL (not just ME3) their games, canceling their SWTOR subscription, etc. And they just assume they will make that money back with their big Gotcha DLC? No. Business aren't in the habit of doing things that will make them lose money.

The writers overstepped their reach hoping to create an amazing end with "lots of speculation" and somehow deluded themselves that fans would forget all the previous games and say "wow, that was such an amazing end, it was so mind boggling, I must play it again to figure it out."

[kalamity116]

I want to believe this. Time will tell.

[Delular]

I believe OP.
There are too many crumbs that lead to the indocrination theory.
What if they knew the ending part was gonna take like another few hours and thought, 'Lets scare the crap outta them with a pretty weak, but subtle, ending.'
Must remember that Japan only got the game on the 15/3, so until their ultra fanatics start blasting I am sure that BioWare will be tight lipped.

[ReiCow]

Delular wrote...

I believe OP.
There are too many crumbs that lead to the indocrination theory.
What if they knew the ending part was gonna take like another few hours and thought, 'Lets scare the crap outta them with a pretty weak, but subtle, ending.'
Must remember that Japan only got the game on the 15/3, so until their ultra fanatics start blasting I am sure that BioWare will be tight lipped.

I second this belief. I will say, though, that there is a "sweet spot" for when the right time to break the announcement is. I don't know when is the time for maximal effect, but if they wait too long, our attention span and willingness for acceptence will wane. They definitely should announce it before they lose everyone.

Moo.

[thoreauscabin]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Therefore, there is a trick. Bioware is planning something legendary, something they KNOW will redeem them infinitely.

I think you've lost it, man. I can't help but picture a crazy guy rocking back and forth repeating this to himself.

This is really sad to see. He's not the only one either. I've noticed posts by other people so obviously in denial.

DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO US EA AND BIOWARE!?!?!

[twystedspyder]

ReiCow wrote...

Delular wrote...

I believe OP.
There are too many crumbs that lead to the indocrination theory.
What if they knew the ending part was gonna take like another few hours and thought, 'Lets scare the crap outta them with a pretty weak, but subtle, ending.'
Must remember that Japan only got the game on the 15/3, so until their ultra fanatics start blasting I am sure that BioWare will be tight lipped.

I second this belief. I will say, though, that there is a "sweet spot" for when the right time to break the announcement is. I don't know when is the time for maximal effect, but if they wait too long, our attention span and willingness for acceptence will wane. They definitely should announce it before they lose everyone.

Moo.

Some have said that we shouldn't expect an official response until at least Pax East.  April 6th.
I find that hard to believe as it would leave the Bioware reps completely open to the outrage that is building up within an apparently large percentage of their core dedicated fans.  Even if they actually reveal plans or provide a clear non-PR-spin response at that time, they will still have to deal with fresh reactions that they will be unprepared for if the fans are not provided with a perfect (ie substantial and free) solution. 

I would think that Bioware/EA would want to get all their ducks in a row and make an official announcement before any public event.  That way they can have dialogue opened and use the community responses as a sort of social barometer for what the larger public's reaction will be.  Being better prepared for public reaction after this debacle seems to be the most sensible plan at this point, no matter what their actual statement/stance is revealed to be.

I am hardly a PR guru, though.  I really have no idea what is going on inside Bioware right now, just like I was totally in the dark after DA2...  Now I'm depressed again.
 

[ReiCow]

twystedspyder wrote...

ReiCow wrote...

Delular wrote...

I believe OP.
There are too many crumbs that lead to the indocrination theory.
What if they knew the ending part was gonna take like another few hours and thought, 'Lets scare the crap outta them with a pretty weak, but subtle, ending.'
Must remember that Japan only got the game on the 15/3, so until their ultra fanatics start blasting I am sure that BioWare will be tight lipped.

I second this belief. I will say, though, that there is a "sweet spot" for when the right time to break the announcement is. I don't know when is the time for maximal effect, but if they wait too long, our attention span and willingness for acceptence will wane. They definitely should announce it before they lose everyone.

Moo.

Some have said that we shouldn't expect an official response until at least Pax East.  April 6th.
I find that hard to believe as it would leave the Bioware reps completely open to the outrage that is building up within an apparently large percentage of their core dedicated fans.  Even if they actually reveal plans or provide a clear non-PR-spin response at that time, they will still have to deal with fresh reactions that they will be unprepared for if the fans are not provided with a perfect (ie substantial and free) solution. 

I would think that Bioware/EA would want to get all their ducks in a row and make an official announcement before any public event.  That way they can have dialogue opened and use the community responses as a sort of social barometer for what the larger public's reaction will be.  Being better prepared for public reaction after this debacle seems to be the most sensible plan at this point, no matter what their actual statement/stance is revealed to be.

I am hardly a PR guru, though.  I really have no idea what is going on inside Bioware right now, just like I was totally in the dark after DA2...  Now I'm depressed again.
 

My fear about waiting until Pax East is that too many bridges may already be burned. It is possible people will have written off ME3 and moved on to something else. That would be really sad (not that many of us aren't already very sad with the present state of things).

Moo.

[Mitra]

I don't know. I believe "this horrible thing called end" is only a marketing trick, but believing and seeing are 2 different things. I want to see and feel the end, the real thing. Anything less is pointless, empty and nothing.
I don't know why even end Shepard's story. Shepard is an icon. Why ruin everything? Only they know.
It does not matter what I believe to be true, I still feel empty, sad and betrayed. But I'm only a human. It was my decision to even put my trust in them in the first place. Holding the line with other good people here is my last hope for BioWare, and myself with them.
It's hard and still unbelievable, but it will be my decision to take that long runaway train if BioWare does nothing at all and leave all in waste.

BioWare used to be legendary. Hope they will resurrect.

[RunAway ItzJack]

Stand fast.
Stand strong.
Stand together.

[Kanner]

I think they're planning something... *half-assed*.

It won't be legendary, and it won't be enough.

As of last night the official line was still that there were no plans and nothing had been decided yet.