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[Everwarden]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Isnt it strange:

...that Bioware doesent seem concerned that the ending was so bad that even if 99% of the game was fantastic... the only thing their game will ever be remembered for was its horrible ending?

Not really. They don't seem bothered that Dragon Age 2 was awful.

... that the now-standing ending is actually so bad that 1% of the game completely overshadows the other 99% combined?

Not really. EA likely told them people would lose jobs if they didn't make the deadline and the ending suffered because of it.

...That they would let their reputation be permanently ruined, and even if they dont care about morals and ethics their company would suffer economic failures due to betraying their fans?

Sadly, the economics they think about are short term. Meaning they don't care how many people are pissed off. 

...That such a good writer would just suddenly happen to openly steal Deux ex's ending, lose all imagination, go so blind he cant see how the ending sucks, and just simply UTTERLY FAIL at the finnish line when he ran the previous 99% of the marathon just fine?

The ending is a catastrophe for Bioware and fans alike.

When an artist gets completely full of himself and hears that they can do no wrong for so long, it's inevitable quality is going to start slipping eventually. 

Yet... strangely, Bioware keeps acting cool, with mysterious tweets, silence and so on. Posting things like "If the fans knew what was in store..." etc. 

They're brainstorming how best to twist this to their favor, and it's not going to be easy. They are likely hoping it just dies down and is forgotten when they announce the next shiny map and weapon pack DLC.

Consider this: Bioware stands accused of so many lies right now its overwhelming. If their reaction simply is a PR trick, that would go as further deception and lying. Twisting the knife in the wound.

Yep, you're right. That's also what they are most likely doing. It's sad, but there is no reason to wallow in denial.

[Jobasha]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...
Then I will lose hope in humanity and turn into a bitter old spitefull cynic at the age of 27 -.-

I did when I was younger than you now, this is just as good a time as any.

Don't be afraid to come with us, we have cookies!

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Jobasha wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...
Then I will lose hope in humanity and turn into a bitter old spitefull cynic at the age of 27 -.-

I did when I was younger than you now, this is just as good a time as any.

Don't be afraid to come with us, we have cookies!

How do I know you have cookies, and that they arent poisoned?

Oh wait...

[rabidm0ng0ose]

Is it possible maybe they didn't know how to end the game? What I am getting at is that they sent us this ambiguous ending just so they could see what the fans wanted for an ending...

It makes sense to me.

[cotheer]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Peete wrote...

I think you're in denial (no offense) and that nothing is coming.

It sucks.

Then I will lose hope in humanity and turn into a bitter old spitefull cynic at the age of 27 -.-

Hey...

[Doppelgaenger]

Well I always wanted to know what a critical blunder looked like in real life and I guess now I know. That is the only way I can make sense out of a 99% perfect game that just goes down the toilet in the end. I think it is possible that they truly wanted this ending. Humans aren't perfect and stuff like this happens.

[Misterdde45000]

rabidm0ng0ose wrote...

Is it possible maybe they didn't know how to end the game? What I am getting at is that they sent us this ambiguous ending just so they could see what the fans wanted for an ending...

It makes sense to me.

Seeing how ME3 rocks at 99%, they sure know how to have a end witch please their fans. 

But sadly it seems they decide to take another course of action and go on with headbuster's philosophico-ending

[Necroscope]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Peete wrote...

I think you're in denial (no offense) and that nothing is coming.

It sucks.

Then I will lose hope in humanity and turn into a bitter old spitefull cynic at the age of 27 -.-

Welcome to my world!

[Redban103]

Regardless if they tweak the ending or not I'd hate paying even more for a game that should've already been finished in the first place. Some people think the ending was a hallucination from being indoctrinated, but if that were true then why wouldn't they have you finish the fight if you get the ending where Shepherd lives? It left too big of a gap of events between shep just waking up, and that stupid stargazer scene making it seem like what happened was actually the truth. I can definitely see them adding DLC, but i feel the ending closure should be a patch, since it's something we should've gotten from the start. Now as for adding other DLC with new content I wouldn't mind paying at all, that's how it works instead of me now, refusing to buy another bioware game without going through weeks of reviews to see if they released another game too early (swtor). I'd probably still pay for a proper ending with your LI and all, but it'd be the last business I'd give bioware.

Modifié par Redban103, 18 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[Rykn]

An expansion would be so awesome. I can't even remember the last time I bought one... Doom 3? My first was Baldur's gate's Tales of the sword coast. Loved em. In all honesty though it would be DLC wouldn't it? A big one at that.

Hope feels to good and I won't let anyone take it away from me.

[Monochrome Wench]

They will do something, they have to in order to mend relations with the players. They may not have planned it. They may not want to. The however need to.

I honestly think that they thought they were doing something amazing and are dumbfounded about how much the players hated the ending.

Quite likely that this will pemanently damage Bioware. If EA was quite hands off the ME3 development, you can be sure that the next game from Bioware will have interferance from the suits. Questions will be raised about how they could possibly let this happen and how to stop it from happening again.

[Nykara]

Rykn wrote...

An expansion would be so awesome. I can't even remember the last time I bought one... Doom 3? My first was Baldur's gate's Tales of the sword coast. Loved em. In all honesty though it would be DLC wouldn't it? A big one at that.

Hope feels to good and I won't let anyone take it away from me.

Expansion would be better - more room for more content. Asides from that fact not everyone has internet access so if its DLC I would really feel for those who can't get access to the real ending.

[ReiCow]

I agree with the sentiment of the original post; I feel very strongly that this has all been planned by BioWare, with more to come. They wished to do something remarkable and memorable with this game, and I believe they have succeeded. As a subscriber to the indoctrination theory, I believe they intentionally left us with a 90% complete game.. to "indoctrinate all the fans" by fooling them into thinking this ending is the actual ending. Then they will have a huge reveal that an upcoming free dlc will finish the game (in my view, the time post indoctrination), which will shock us all and give the game (and series) the gigantic climax it deserves. They will have successfully fooled all the fans, cranked our emotions to 11, and the final end will be that much sweeter and more memorable for it. Everyone will remember how BW ended Mass Effect.

They would also trail-blaze another path, one against piracy. By releasing 90% of the game on disc, and requiring users to download the end from them (which would require registering your installed game), you can undercut the desirability of pirated copies of the game. It likely won't stop piracy, but is an innovative way to combat it without royally screwing over all your fans (if they know this ahead of time). Again, the ME3 ending would thus be a watershed moment in gaming.

I feel there are great things in store, and I am chomping at the bit for future ME3 announcements.

Moo.

[Tamcia]

I was like you. After reading Dev quotes and responses - no hope. They will somehow slide out of this and just continue as if nothing happened. There is no plan, there is no "ha we reveal the true ending". There is nothing. Just empty black void. I can't believe BW would think that ending was good. Just shows how bad the quality has dropped (no choice, no reflection upon decisions you've made, illogical, plotholes, destroying Sheps character at the end - submission to reaper controller!? WTF).

Don't see how I can continue supporting BW after this. Plenty of other companies and games that start doing what BW used to do, so yeah.

[Aiyie]

im kinda with the op.

there's just too much fail for it to be completely accidental, especially given bioware's track record.

yea, there was probably some EA influence... "get it out the door already!" but even still, im sure bioware has been hit with that before and this is still the first time the fail has been this strong.

[Ricvenart]

If they were planning on something that ambitious I think they might have showed thier hand by now rather then let more News outlets report on it, and additional reports from forbes that damages thier image more. At the very least when they reached out for comment, if they did give them a hint of the plan to make the news story invalid but tell them not to report it if they could.

Casey's last statement, pretty much killed my hope that it was planned being after the last release date. The quote in my sig also kills my hope that they have any respect for thier fans.

Which just makes it all the more saddening of all those flaws it points out and various other sources can. Not just for the ending but the whole game where there was signs of foreshadowing. Sadly no artistic merit, no reason for these things, just sloppiness we paid for.

Modifié par Ricvenart, 18 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[Aiyie]

Yargovish wrote...

No. Not everyone has the patience to stick around while they complete their secret conspiracy to blow our minds. Many long time fans are already lost to them due to their decisions.

Also take into consideration how a "normal" ME3 ending would already have made most people extremely happy. Sacrificing a part of their hardest core and walking into a massive PR blunder, just to make the remaining fans slightly more extremely happy eventually, makes no sense.

there's a timeframe to be concerned with if this is in fact some epic twist in the making (whether it was the original intent or something they are doing last minute).

people rage, quit, etc.  but most people will keep an eye open.

if a month from now, hell, even two months from now, see something pop up on their radar about how bioware has released an ending dlc that is amazing...

they'll be back.  guaranteed.  very few people, very few people indeed, are really capable of drawing the line in the sand and never once looking back.

sure, there are some people who won't come back for a new ending... but in spite of everything, the masses would, even months down the road.

this forum just proves how invested people are in the story, and despite the bluster, when presented with a fix, they'll leap at it... just basic human nature.

[WarBaby2]

All well and good... but I doubt BW, let alone EA, will take such a potential business hit for setting up such a coup.

[Aiyie]

Exeider wrote...

@GnusmasTHX,
I don't think people will care because of that end, i mean its THAT bad, even a new ending won't completely resolve it short of blanking the memories of everyone that saw it, and pretending it didnt happen.
-Æ

people have the attention span of retarded 2 year olds nowadays.

"**** this!  im done!  these ****s betrayed me!  I'm never gonna trust them aga...  OOOOOOOOO Shiney! ... What was I saying again?"

[AlexXIV]

They don't have more time than 2 or 2.5 years to develop a game. It was so with DA2, and also with ME3. They are not up to something legendary, they are up to get out of this with as little damage as possible. I would guess they have not even touched the issue with their EA/bosses that the problem we got is the short dev cycle. Probably Bioware gave them any amount of excuses what went wrong, just not the real issue. That 2 or 2.5 years are not enough development to produce the qualitiy that Bioware was associated with in the past.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 18 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[AlexXIV]

Aiyie wrote...

Exeider wrote...

@GnusmasTHX,
I don't think people will care because of that end, i mean its THAT bad, even a new ending won't completely resolve it short of blanking the memories of everyone that saw it, and pretending it didnt happen.
-Æ

people have the attention span of retarded 2 year olds nowadays.

"**** this!  im done!  these ****s betrayed me!  I'm never gonna trust them aga...  OOOOOOOOO Shiney! ... What was I saying again?"

Speak for yourself Sir.

[Aiyie]

I agree there is no alternate ending. If one comes out, it was not planned.

honestly... would it matter if that was the case though?

spend 99% of your effort on the solution and 1% on the problem.

id be more than happy to forgive and forget if they get us the ending the series deserves, even after the fact.

hell, if they did get us new endings after the fact, in a weird way, it would actually reflect well on the devs... it would show that they are listening and willing to change to please us, their customers.

[Johnnycide]

I have to side with OP, looking at the quality of the rest of the game and comparing that to the ending, the cliffhanger must have deliberate so that they could get feedback from the community on how to end the series, there can't be that severe of a quality drop off without some reason. Unless of course they let their interns write the ending.

[Aiyie]

AlexXIV wrote...

Aiyie wrote...

Exeider wrote...

@GnusmasTHX,
I don't think people will care because of that end, i mean its THAT bad, even a new ending won't completely resolve it short of blanking the memories of everyone that saw it, and pretending it didnt happen.
-Æ

people have the attention span of retarded 2 year olds nowadays.

"**** this!  im done!  these ****s betrayed me!  I'm never gonna trust them aga...  OOOOOOOOO Shiney! ... What was I saying again?"

Speak for yourself Sir.

oh, im not talking about individuals here.  individuals are intelligent, rational beings.  but when a group of individuals gets together... intelligence and rationality disappear.  mob mentality, groupthink, etc.

a good enough solution will erase this stain on their record in every way that matters.  the individual might still be pissed, but the group will still eat it up and savor every bite.

and lets face it, when you're talking about thousands of people, the individual doesn't matter, all that matters is the group's reaction to it as a whole.

[The Smitchens]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'm with the OP here. I'm so delusional. I just can't accept that they thought this would be the best way to end it. There has to be something planned. It just doesn't make sense.

Hold.... meee... 

If we don't have each others' backs now... who's gonna watch them later?