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[Gedgehog]

I hate to be Mr Cynical here, but why would Bioware care about placating their fans, when we've already given them a crap-load of money? To them, their goal is complete. However if they are smart, they will make a new ending and charge for it. But more than likely, wit will be MP dlc akin to that which COD releases. MP games are the future (it would appear is the delusion anyway) and EA probably thought "ahh! Make a COD type game, for quick cash!"

Modifié par Gedgehog, 18 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[Gedgehog]

Generating quick sums of money is more important than making people happy these day, unless there is a market for a new ending, and the returns justify the cost in producing that ending, we won't see one. That's business.

[Grasich]

It does seem very odd that they would have such a horrible failure all of a sudden, and that they would completely ruin this incredible world they created. So I truly hope they release ending dlc, but the longer we go without any real answers the more I lose hope.

[Gedgehog]

They gambled and they failed. It happens. This will be something they will learn from, and adapt to their new projects.

[Zeroscape]

Due to the cryptic dev tweets, a lot of people are clinging to hope that there's something on the way. The fact that the ending doesn't give much closure and we still don't have definitive word from Bioware/EA regarding their plans, puts many in a state of limbo. Stuck between depression and acceptance.

The longer that keeps on, the more bitterness will be felt when we know for sure what's going on.

[AtlasMickey]

They've already accomplished something legendary. Mass Effect 3 is great beginning-to-end. It couldn't have ended any other way.

[H. Birdman]

I'm not convinced either way.  The only thing that gives me hope is that you'd have to go far out of your way to create an ending as staggeringly incompetent as this.  You'd have to be trying to make it awful.

If it were just a lame boss (like human reaper), a predictable ending with Shepard sacrificing herself, and a few Dragon Age style still shots about what happened afterward, I'd say pack it in.  We'd be done.

But there is so much about the ending that is obviously wrong.  Basic game mechanics, like the infinite-ammo pistol and the ability to shoot the keepers with no damage.  Bizarre, surreal stuff we've never seen before, like the mangled, fuzzy human body textures on the ground and the bald doll heads on corpses.  The breathing scene in the rubble, which obviously was not an accident.  And much more.

These things weren't lazy writing, they were deliberate choices.  And lots of them.  So I think it comes down to this:  either (1) this was designed to set up something better, via something like indoctrination theory; or (2) Bioware deliberately decided that a surreal, nonsensical ending was the right way to conclude a very realistic, science-based, internally consistent sci-fi series.

[Element Zero]

dannati wrote...

Re: OP:

I used to think that way. It was nice. A part of me still hopes BW has epic failed customer relations rather than writing.

Alas, the preponderance of evidence points to "Lots of speculation from everyone!" being the intended resolution.

Yeah, the revealed development notes pretty much proved that the endings we received were intended. This is not a case of EA/Bioware being clever, this is a case of gross miscalculation in their choice of an ending to this series. Before these notes were revealed, I too found this poorly written ending hard to reconcile with years of prior genius. The fact is, though, that they really did just screw up.

[PIngp0NG]

For the first few days after I finished the game I had hope that this was a big PR move...to make us feel the confusion of Indoctrination ourselves. I couldn't imagine that the writing could fall down so hard in the final stretch.

But sadly, Casey's post and the Final Hours stuff basically says to me that the ending was as intended, there was no plan B, and that this backlash wasn't expected. Which just makes no sense to me given how much anger there was over DA2.

My confidence in Bioware was rising but post Casey's message, it has fallen off a cliff. If you're reading this Bioware, I've been a fan since Baldur's Gate and it will take something *extraordinary* to win me back.

[Sonicsnak3]

Have faith in them people, no sense getting angry. Mike Gamble' did say that if the fans knew what they were up to, their reaction would be different. Just wait it it out, I know it is really hard i'm feeling the burn myself but the story's dev's are too good to create a masterpiece then just ruin an ending on purpose.

[Sonicsnak3]

But most importantly don't let up the pressure for answers,

Holding The Line.

[Egonne]

I agree with OP, not simply because of the ridiculous plot holes (which are many) in the ending, but because of how easily they could have been fixed.

Sure, explaining Joker in the Mass Relay stream could have taken some time. Maybe, if they were rushed, they would let that one slip. But how hard would it have been to ensure that only NON-COMPANIONS exit the Normandy after the crash at the end? Put Jack, Jacob, Grunt or Myranda on their instead of EDI, Liara, or Ashley.

I can't see them missing this plot hole (the fact that your squad mates should be dying on Earth and NOT stepping out of the Normandy unscathed), but I can't imagine, even under extraordinarily rushed conditions, that they couldn't have fixed it.

To me that indicates trickery. Although sometimes I'm not sure.

And for all those who are saying 'they already have your money'. Sure, they already have money for ME3, but it would be INSANE to think they are that short sighted. They are going to make other games; they are even trying to go head to head with a giant (World of Warcraft) by advertising better STORY. It is bad business to alienate your most loyal customers for a one time sale.

[Edje Edgar]

They failed because they had to rush it, same with DA II.

[ReiCow]

Egonne wrote...

*snip*
And for all those who are saying 'they already have your money'. Sure, they already have money for ME3, but it would be INSANE to think they are that short sighted. They are going to make other games; they are even trying to go head to head with a giant (World of Warcraft) by advertising better STORY. It is bad business to alienate your most loyal customers for a one time sale.

That is an absolutely fantastic point. If one accepted ME3's present "ending" at face value, it really undermines BW's ability to tout story as their calling card. I believe they are far more clever than they are being given credit for.

Moo.

[Whiskey Jay]

My gut instinct tells me Bioware doesn't know what to do. They are likely having a lot of heated debates between their own employees and EA is probably all over this as well. I have two theories:

Why the ending was so horrendous?:
A) EA pressured Bioware heavily to release the game asap. Bioware did everything perfect in ME3 and then there was the ending. I think Bioware did it to tell EA to stop giving them deadlines set in stone while they are developing their projects.

Why I am very concerned Bioware really doesn't know what to do about the ending:
B)Casey spoke to the media twice. During neither interview did he state Bioware was going to fix the ending or stick with the one they have. He danced around the topic. Both the first and second time he spoke he has only let us know that they know we're ticked. He seems to be running the PR gauntlet to get the company some time. If they knew what they were going to do they would say: "We will fix the ending" or "We're sorry so many didn't enjoy our endings but they are here to stay." If they knew what they were gonna do it serves no purpose for them to withold the information.

[KingNewbs]

Aweus wrote...

To be honest if feels good to believe in good things. Hope is a wonderful thing and hope dies last. I shall keep hoping and holding the line.

Spoken like a true Shepard!

[Rascouri]

Expect the best, prepare for the worst. That is all.

[Aiyie]

Whiskey Jay wrote...

My gut instinct tells me Bioware doesn't know what to do. They are likely having a lot of heated debates between their own employees and EA is probably all over this as well. I have two theories:

Why the ending was so horrendous?:
A) EA pressured Bioware heavily to release the game asap. Bioware did everything perfect in ME3 and then there was the ending. I think Bioware did it to tell EA to stop giving them deadlines set in stone while they are developing their projects.

Why I am very concerned Bioware really doesn't know what to do about the ending:
B)Casey spoke to the media twice. During neither interview did he state Bioware was going to fix the ending or stick with the one they have. He danced around the topic. Both the first and second time he spoke he has only let us know that they know we're ticked. He seems to be running the PR gauntlet to get the company some time. If they knew what they were going to do they would say: "We will fix the ending" or "We're sorry so many didn't enjoy our endings but they are here to stay." If they knew what they were gonna do it serves no purpose for them to withold the information.

just food for thought.

i tend to agree, the endings were supposed to be the intended finale.

but now, with the rage, they're considering other options.

reason they aren't saying anything though... they don't want to risk creating an even worse PR nightmare.  imagine that if they did release an ending dlc and it was even worse?

they're probably developing and doing HEAVY focus testing on possible ending dlc content.  until they're positive it'll be received well, they're being smart by neither confirmed nor denying anything in the works.

[ReiCow]

I feel that BW's statements and whatnot are all a big ruse, which explains why they are being so coy. Instead of viewing them as bumbling idiots with the ending and dealing with the fan fallout, and cravenly mercantile with the constant reminders of dlc and talk of ongoing Shepard adventures, I think this is all part of a plan. They intentionally fooled us with the ending, and are trying not to reveal anything with their "we are listening, we don't have much else to say" pr stance. Letting the story grow in the media, which brings them even more attention for the big reveal. Said reveal being that the dlc they keep advertising will start with a free "rest of the game and actual ending" package. If so, I think is a masterstroke in many ways - advertising, anti-piracy, fan relations, and most of all, story telling.

Moo.

[Captain Shakespeare]

...Here's hoping.

[nullobject]

Right on OP.

I totally agree with you. Maybe I should just ask a mod to merge my thread with yours.

Modifié par nullobject, 19 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Brawne]

ReiCow wrote...

I feel that BW's statements and whatnot are all a big ruse, which explains why they are being so coy. Instead of viewing them as bumbling idiots with the ending and dealing with the fan fallout, and cravenly mercantile with the constant reminders of dlc and talk of ongoing Shepard adventures, I think this is all part of a plan. They intentionally fooled us with the ending, and are trying not to reveal anything with their "we are listening, we don't have much else to say" pr stance. Letting the story grow in the media, which brings them even more attention for the big reveal. Said reveal being that the dlc they keep advertising will start with a free "rest of the game and actual ending" package. If so, I think is a masterstroke in many ways - advertising, anti-piracy, fan relations, and most of all, story telling.

Moo.

And then you wake up...

[joiner87]

HOLD!!!!,

[meteng]

I really hope you're right, OP, but I doubt it. I will happily take back everything nasty I said about them and be a dedicated fan.

And laugh HUGELY at the review sites!