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[disfunktional]

savionen wrote...

disfunktional wrote...

 I do not understand this consistent argument being echoed that the ending has some how "financially" hurt Cerber... I mean EA or BW? It has moved over 2.4 million units in less the 2 weeks... In some places the game has not even been out for a week.

To give you some perspective ME1 sold a total to date 2.97 million... This inlcudes Xbox full price discs, Reduced priced discs, Market place downloads and all forms of PC release.

ME2 total 3.98 million.

So to recap in a few weeks we have well crossed selling over half of the best selling ME game.

This idea that peoples anger stops units from selling is in the best terms misguided, There is an old saying that any publicity is good publicity... In a capitolist society notions of fairness to your feelings are irrelevant.

This is not any form of proof and very importantly disproof that BW has something planned... The sales figures do difinitively prove one thing... The sales are not being hurt by the what some will call backlash and what others would call free publicity... ME3 is on track to be the best selling ME. 

It was also the biggest budgeted game, and the most marketed. So, it's not surprising that it'd overall sell better even if it has a terrible ending. Doesn't mean that the backlash, etc is not affecting it.

Also keep in mind that they might be pushing a bunch of units front-end, but they're not going to get many DLC sales (unless the ending will cost money.)

What are you basing this on? Beyond the obvious that that is the cycle of every succussful sequel to put a larger campaign behind the following... The numbers do not show it being hurt in any way. Considering neither of us have the numbers on what it cost to make and market you can only speculate... We do know it is tracking higher then previous sales. 

One could make the argument that suddenly now people will in mass stop buying but if this backlash/publicity was going to have that kind of massive effect it should have already happened.

[locsphere]

Don't get your hopes up. No Company would let their ratings and trust tank to pull off company suicide. All they have to say is don't worry something is coming. Thats it.... You don't mess with your fanbases heads like this. Its border line retarded. But hey, They want to take that chance its fine. But these endings as they stand are awful. They need to bring their fans in the loop. I don't care about surprises. I was in the Army surprises meant car bombs, and Ambushes. So surprises stress me the F*&^ out.

So what happens after this they come out and say. Gotcha!!! Our form of indoctrination!!! I literally think fans would want their heads.

[Drak41n]

When someone is confronted for mistakes or errors in judgment the first response is rarely one where he or she admits the error. Part of it is that people thinking making mistakes is shaming, but the other part of it is that we just don't like to acknowledge we're not perfect. I've always found that funny because the flip side of that perception is that people are generally VERY willing and apt to identify other people's flaws.

When a business makes a mistake it's a little different because correcting a problem requires money, and they don't like to spend money that could be used as profit or for other development. It is no surprise that Bioware is inclined the resist changing the ends to fit the player's expectations. They have to spend resources in creating the scene, hiring voice actors, and all the overhead associated with it. They would much rather sell content that has already been developed, or content they can sell for more money.

Anyway, that's kind of moot. I believe Bioware has an obligation to change the endings. When Casey Hudson and Mac Walters were promoting Mass Effect 3 they made certain specific assertions - that our choices mattered, that they ending would answer questions, and that we would have closure - that simply were not true. The worst part of this, though, is that it can't just be puffery on their part because the Final Hours shows that they never intended deliver on that promise. They lied to the consumer. It's simple. You can't let business lie to you. Even if it's something trivial because it's not always going to be trivial and you want corporations to be aware of the risk associated with alienating their consumer base.

Both Ford, before the advent of Japanese cars in America, and later Atari made the mistake of violating consumer expectations. In both those cases, consumers were complacent with what happened. However, in Ford's case, once better designed less expensive cars from Japan started to enter the American market Ford took a huge hit. They had NO consumer loyalty. Why would you be loyal to someone that abused you?

In the 80s Atari was THE massive game producer, but they started producing real lemons of games. Once the market opened up to other completing producers, there was no consumer loyalty to Atari. Look at the Atari platforms and games (or lack thereof) and see how that played out.

Anyway, my point is that you let company's get away with yanking the consumer around with misleading comments and outright lies. Promoting a product is important, and I always assume that there's some amount of exaggeration involved - particularly if we're talking about Molyneux and his fable series. However, the difference is that in the Fable series Molyneux never said anything that was patently untrue. If your promotion centers around how amazing your story is, and how epic and great your ending is, you need to deliver on that. It better be an amazing story and it better be an amazing ending.

Anyway, my two cents.

[Esoretal]

I want so badly to believe this, but another part of me wonders if they're not just bound, gagged and buried in EA's red tape.

[VironZ]

They wanted the horrible ending to remember the game, well, at least thats basically what Casey said about the ending being remembered.

[Jazharah]

direct reply to the OP:

Though I hope you are right, I think you give BioWare too much credit.

We'll see, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Mr Indivisible]

Reading a lot of their accidental posts, and between the lines on Casey's responses. I don't think they had anything planned for a continuation of the end. That was the end we got, and the one they intended to give us.

I expect 3 things:

1. Tie in merchandise like books and comics to 'fill' the plot holes
2. DLC adding a few missions and expanding upon the multiplayer (new modes and maps)
3. An explanation telling us that the entire game is a conclusion, ie Geth/Quarrian war, Genophage, etc etc. We should be happy and look at it that way rather then focusing on the sky child at the end.

[bazzag]

I have to believe something is coming. The ME team know how popular and loved the series is and the writers are too good to end it like that. The fans matter to them. Without us, there would be no femshep movement, without us, there wouldn't be so may lines in ME3 that must have been inspired by us. (Prothy the prothean, calibrations and i'm commander shepard spring to mind).

To quote the x files Fox Mulder "I want to believe"

[NomadDC]

Everyone in Retake Mass Effect hopes that it's true. But, man, it's quite hard to believe. Some may believe, some may want to, time will show.

[disfunktional]

parrmi22 wrote...

No way. There's simply no way that any game developer, regardless of how evil or saintly they are, would deliberately hold back the true ending to of an IP to boost DLC sales. I genuinely feel as if they thought this was a brilliant ending, all "deep" and stuff. All this "we'll discuss the ME3 endings" talk just means they'll try to explain what it means and why they thought it was epic.

Maybe it's just my cynical nature talking, but I don't believe for a second that any ending fix is incoming. It's so sad. However, a small part of my soul is hoping I'm wrong.

Sorry... A little game called "Prince of Persia" did exactly that. One month before the game came out the devs started working on dlc that was actually the ending and it cost fans 10$. That does not mean we will be charged anything for what BW has in mind (if they do). 

[AxholeRose]

Day One DLC complaints and MP complaints made BioWare wary to announce anything... especially if it comes with a price tag.......

I'm sure they have either something planned or already in the works. I just wish they would hurry up and confirm it already.

[Wowlock]

All I can say, They better be after this major screw-up. Because nothing short of legendary will save their future sales .

[ReiCow]

Unless I am misunderstanding what I see.. the reports show that they had everything set up by the end of 2011 for the game (not finalized, of course, but had the vouce acting ,etc done). Yet, in January of this month, Casey Hudson said:

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

To repeat: "It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C." Which is exactly what we presently have. This interview wasn't 2 years ago, it was merely 2 months ago! This again does not jive with what we have and further fuels my belief in the Indoctrination ending and free dlc in the pipe with the real end.

Moo.

[Blarghonk]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

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Bioware is planning something legendary, something they KNOW will redeem them infinitely.

Doubt they could redeem themselves in my eyes. Sure if they added something like an good ending dlc, or what not, it would be nice, but it should of came with the game. The ending of a trillogy should be in the game, not dlc, not books not speculation not "head cannon". So many times have I said in the past "but it's BioWare so it'll be ok." but I've lost that faith in BioWare.

So now I'll wait for user reviews and a game of the year edition that has the DLC included and you can get the actuall FULL game. Not a game that's chopped up and sold separately.

I can almost guaranty that there will be more gun dlc, LI mission, additional squadmates, armour, more items for customizing. Everything that really should of already been in the game sold to us for 10 bucks a piece for another... halfhour of gameplay.

Modifié par Blarghonk, 19 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[Nykara]

devSin wrote...

Casey's response pretty much invalidates any belief that they have some master plan.

He outright defended the ending. He didn't drop hints or try to be clever. He said "We like our ending; sorry you didn't".

That is not the statement from the head of a team that has something up their sleeves.

If they have a Master plan of course they will like the ending! Because they know more then us if thats the case.

[disfunktional]

locsphere wrote...

Don't get your hopes up. No Company would let their ratings and trust tank to pull off company suicide. All they have to say is don't worry something is coming. Thats it.... You don't mess with your fanbases heads like this. Its border line retarded. But hey, They want to take that chance its fine. But these endings as they stand are awful. They need to bring their fans in the loop. I don't care about surprises. I was in the Army surprises meant car bombs, and Ambushes. So surprises stress me the F*&^ out.

So what happens after this they come out and say. Gotcha!!! Our form of indoctrination!!! I literally think fans would want their heads.

Following BW and ME twitter feed they have consistantly dropped hints... Save your game saves, We cant talk about the ending yet, If ME fans knew what we had planned the reaction would not be like this... and so on. 

This is going to sound rude pretty much any way I put this... IF you are on the BWforum chances are you know how to figure out google/twitter and so fourth... Granted this does not effect the people without internet access... But they are not the one complaining and if the are who cares about those people j/k

The over all message EVEN in the game is that we have not seen the last of Shepard... The (what many too consider to be correct ending for different reasons) ending shows Shaprd take a breath... The old man says one more story about Shepard... The doom and gloom interview with CH he himself says we have not seen the last of Shepard...  How many more ways do people want... "Somthing is coming"? 

[bazzag]

It certainly hasn't been the best time for bioware. Leaks are the issue i'm afraid. Why leak things? and more to the point, if there is something like a leaked script out there, why look at it? Surely you want to savour it when playing the game, and living the game. Someone who leaks something is like one of those annoying people who ruins a film you desperately want to see by telling you who dies at the end.

[Bizantura]

No master plan, the end was just that the end they intended. That doesn't mean I don't want a different ending. And IFa different ending comes thru dlc it most certainly won't be tomorrow since they have to make it from scratch, that is if it is profitable to make one to begin with.

[ph0enix66]

Just accept the truth that the writers are very good at writing heart-jerking character set-pieces, but only mediocre at closing a diverse story arc. Which actually explains why ME3 had so many breathtaking brilliance, only to fall flat against the pavement during last 5 ~ 10 minutes.

[CarolSephard]

There's a huge hand assuming direct control here, and that's EA. To me, that's why I don't have much hope.

Still holding the line anyway.

[Twistedfaith]

One word, one simple, simple word. "Speculation"... *snerks*. They're just delaying, for now. I was like you, with hopes held high. I.. still do have a spark of it left, but.. if nothing is said/revealed at Pax. That'll die out.

[Doctoglethorpe]

After a trilogy that seemed to have hope forfront in its themes, I can't help but feel some now.

Its really getting strained though.  Reeeeaaaally bad. 

[Shatterhand1701]

 I'd really like to have the optimism of the OP, but while I suspect Bioware will address the endings in SOME form, I don't think it's going to be some big, grand gesture that will completely redeem them in the eyes of the ME fans.

Honestly, I think Bioware is damned if they do and damned if they don't when it comes to revising the ending.  Whether it's free or not, whether or not it resolves the romance issue, solves the Normandy castaway issue, explains/resolves the mass-relay situation...people are still going to complain.  But, they'll have at least done SOMETHING to address the problem, and right now I think that's the best we can hope or ask for.

[Cyberarmy]

I would have believed this if they didnt merge nearly all actions to just one button.

[goatman42]

disfunktional wrote...

parrmi22 wrote...

No way. There's simply no way that any game developer, regardless of how evil or saintly they are, would deliberately hold back the true ending to of an IP to boost DLC sales. I genuinely feel as if they thought this was a brilliant ending, all "deep" and stuff. All this "we'll discuss the ME3 endings" talk just means they'll try to explain what it means and why they thought it was epic.

Maybe it's just my cynical nature talking, but I don't believe for a second that any ending fix is incoming. It's so sad. However, a small part of my soul is hoping I'm wrong.

Sorry... A little game called "Prince of Persia" did exactly that. One month before the game came out the devs started working on dlc that was actually the ending and it cost fans 10$. That does not mean we will be charged anything for what BW has in mind (if they do). 

That DLC ending was a lie though. It did nothing to further the story and still left the game on a clifhanger.