The Night Mammoth wrote...
Preserving? You don't preserve anyone by dooming them to a slow death by starvation or infighting or an immediate death by incineration in a supernova.
bboynexus wrote...
Right. Stranding the Turians and Quarians on Earth is...problematic.
Mixxer5 wrote...
MalevoIence wrote...
Mixxer5 wrote...
MalevoIence wrote...
Haasth wrote...
Not all paragon options are to save lives.
I think it should be quite clear they are steering you into the wrong direction, wanting you to believe keeping the Reapers alive is the better outcome. They keep feeding you lies to begin with "An old man that only sees the world through the barrel of his gun", I beg your pardon? That is pretty much the exact opposite of what we know of Anderson.
The Space God Machine Kid is a lie.MalevoIence wrote...
The indoctrination theory is just us overthinking things which ARE that black and white, or in this case Red and Blue
Then what is green?
Green is neutral; middle ground stance;
so many are trying to find a deeper meaning to this when it isn't there and everything IS just that black and white; Paragon has always been to save life in all its forms, Renegade has always been to end it
You take very "Black and White" morality version. Reapers are- if not evil- at least great threat to all galaxy. Also- "assuming contol" over them can lead to continuing their old "tradition" later.
And you are taking things very grey when the game itself is very Black and White in its decision making. And you're assuming Starchild was lying, Im assuming he's telling the truth. Reapers truly believe they are bringing order to chaos, and since no other race developed the crucible, that gives you some special leverage that allows you to manipulate them in some form, unless as the starchild says they were already under their control which the Illusive man was. Harbinger, none of them ever lied, they've always been honest, even if that honesty was told in a deep, raspy, scary voice.
Nah ME (wasn't supposed to be) isn't Black and White. Saving Rachni Queen- sure it don't have any impact now. But originally they had much bigger sigificance.
Matrix 3 is built around one of the machines gone rogue and presenting a threat to both humanity/the machines.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Paragon is about staying true to your morals or some semblance of pre-ascribed morals(depending on your point of view[like the brain dead guy/president]) Red is the destruction of reapers, it is, and has been your only goal the entire series. anything else and you've failed.
Let me think of the equivalent..... Matrix 3.... Despite all the killing, and enslaving, eventually the hero had no choice but to trust the machines that there will be a peace at the cost of his own life. These are the same machines killing humans for the last 3 movies, and instead of wanting to destroy them, they started talking about peace, which ended up the correct path. Hate using that crappy movie as a reference, but it's the best comparison to the Mass Effect 3 ending I could think of.
It isn't failing to NOT kill the Reapers. It's preserving all life in the Galaxy, whether it's synthetic or organic
Modifié par bboynexus, 18 mars 2012 - 01:44 .
S Atomeha wrote...
Matrix 3 is built around one of the machines gone rogue and presenting a threat to both humanity/the machines.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Paragon is about staying true to your morals or some semblance of pre-ascribed morals(depending on your point of view[like the brain dead guy/president]) Red is the destruction of reapers, it is, and has been your only goal the entire series. anything else and you've failed.
Let me think of the equivalent..... Matrix 3.... Despite all the killing, and enslaving, eventually the hero had no choice but to trust the machines that there will be a peace at the cost of his own life. These are the same machines killing humans for the last 3 movies, and instead of wanting to destroy them, they started talking about peace, which ended up the correct path. Hate using that crappy movie as a reference, but it's the best comparison to the Mass Effect 3 ending I could think of.
It isn't failing to NOT kill the Reapers. It's preserving all life in the Galaxy, whether it's synthetic or organic
Here your presented with choices between destroying reapers at the cost of supposedly yourself,EDI and the Geth. We know the first part is a lie, shepard does in fact survive. The star child guy lies to you, he tries to turn you away from the red choice, that much is evident.
but, either way you are killing most species. Preservation of the galaxy is only achievable through the keeping of the Mass Relays. What you are forced to do no matter what is sentence the quarians, and krogans at the very least to starve.
And Green your just doing the Reapers job for them.
Modifié par MalevoIence, 18 mars 2012 - 01:48 .
ed87 wrote...
Color-coding the endings... Bioware must think 10 year olds play the game
Modifié par MalevoIence, 18 mars 2012 - 01:49 .
IanPolaris wrote...
Easy. In Mass Effect 1, the paragon choice is to turn off life support for a brain-dead boy after his mother is defeated. I am sure there are others.
-Polaris
erilben wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Easy. In Mass Effect 1, the paragon choice is to turn off life support for a brain-dead boy after his mother is defeated. I am sure there are others.
-Polaris
That's a terrible example. There's no paragon or renegade points tied to that. It's not even a dialog wheel to choose there. Press "A" to turn off the life support machine, press "Y" to keep it on.
MalevoIence wrote...
Baihu1983 wrote...
Its a trick, all the good options are red in the last part
That's a lie created by fans who wish to read more into what isn't there, Im not being dismissive, I'm being realistic
AlexMBrennan wrote...
All choices are equally renegade, colour of explosion notwithstanding. Morally, there's really no difference between mind-controlling and destroying the Reapers, and synthesis is either too suspension-of-disbelief-breaking, or not much better than the Reapers original plan (forcibly converting everything into the form you deem superior - sure, the immediate body count is a lot higher for the goo-ification but that's not the point)
In any case, the above is meta gaming. Realistically, Shepard should have serious doubts about their sanity (as outlined by the "indoctrination" theory - which is false, but illustrates why Shepard should suspect indoctrination), and paragon will want to get the job done as much as a renegade. Note that even a full paragon Shepard has no problems killing tons of geth, rachni, assorted mercenaries, collectors, etc, in self defence, so destroying the Reapers currently actively killing people on Earth/Palaven/etc would not be stretch.
We know Shepard survives the Red ending after being specifically told that it would kill him.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Matrix 3 is built around one of the machines gone rogue and presenting a threat to both humanity/the machines.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Paragon is about staying true to your morals or some semblance of pre-ascribed morals(depending on your point of view[like the brain dead guy/president]) Red is the destruction of reapers, it is, and has been your only goal the entire series. anything else and you've failed.
Let me think of the equivalent..... Matrix 3.... Despite all the killing, and enslaving, eventually the hero had no choice but to trust the machines that there will be a peace at the cost of his own life. These are the same machines killing humans for the last 3 movies, and instead of wanting to destroy them, they started talking about peace, which ended up the correct path. Hate using that crappy movie as a reference, but it's the best comparison to the Mass Effect 3 ending I could think of.
It isn't failing to NOT kill the Reapers. It's preserving all life in the Galaxy, whether it's synthetic or organic
Here your presented with choices between destroying reapers at the cost of supposedly yourself,EDI and the Geth. We know the first part is a lie, shepard does in fact survive. The star child guy lies to you, he tries to turn you away from the red choice, that much is evident.
but, either way you are killing most species. Preservation of the galaxy is only achievable through the keeping of the Mass Relays. What you are forced to do no matter what is sentence the quarians, and krogans at the very least to starve.
And Green your just doing the Reapers job for them.
How is that evident...... your guessing
The fact Reapers left without killing all organic life which could oppose them proves he's telling the truth, now that is evident,
believing they will come back eventually is speculation and even more guessing
Konane117 wrote...
MalevoIence wrote...
Baihu1983 wrote...
Its a trick, all the good options are red in the last part
That's a lie created by fans who wish to read more into what isn't there, Im not being dismissive, I'm being realistic
if the ending wasn't a dream/hallucination then it wouldn't make any sense. destroying a mass relay would destroy the entire star system...if you ever played Arrival in ME2 you would know that. so choosing red, green or blue wouldn't even matter, as you would destroy all life throughout galaxy anyway.
and shepard only lives if you chose red...
Ricvenart wrote...
Seriously Why is green only Neutral? Why is Controlling multiple species in the shells of reapers better then then that? If you dismiss all other theories.
S Atomeha wrote...
We know Shepard survives the Red ending after being specifically told that it would kill him.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Matrix 3 is built around one of the machines gone rogue and presenting a threat to both humanity/the machines.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Paragon is about staying true to your morals or some semblance of pre-ascribed morals(depending on your point of view[like the brain dead guy/president]) Red is the destruction of reapers, it is, and has been your only goal the entire series. anything else and you've failed.
Let me think of the equivalent..... Matrix 3.... Despite all the killing, and enslaving, eventually the hero had no choice but to trust the machines that there will be a peace at the cost of his own life. These are the same machines killing humans for the last 3 movies, and instead of wanting to destroy them, they started talking about peace, which ended up the correct path. Hate using that crappy movie as a reference, but it's the best comparison to the Mass Effect 3 ending I could think of.
It isn't failing to NOT kill the Reapers. It's preserving all life in the Galaxy, whether it's synthetic or organic
Here your presented with choices between destroying reapers at the cost of supposedly yourself,EDI and the Geth. We know the first part is a lie, shepard does in fact survive. The star child guy lies to you, he tries to turn you away from the red choice, that much is evident.
but, either way you are killing most species. Preservation of the galaxy is only achievable through the keeping of the Mass Relays. What you are forced to do no matter what is sentence the quarians, and krogans at the very least to starve.
And Green your just doing the Reapers job for them.
How is that evident...... your guessing
The fact Reapers left without killing all organic life which could oppose them proves he's telling the truth, now that is evident,
believing they will come back eventually is speculation and even more guessing
In the others he disintegrates, no special "secret endings"
Modifié par MalevoIence, 18 mars 2012 - 02:00 .
) you dismiss all others.
Ricvenart wrote...
I see this is pointless, you are so focused on you're Idea (Blue is best so there
Exactly why the endings are so bad.
Modifié par MalevoIence, 18 mars 2012 - 02:02 .
MalevoIence wrote...
AlexMBrennan wrote...
All choices are equally renegade, colour of explosion notwithstanding. Morally, there's really no difference between mind-controlling and destroying the Reapers, and synthesis is either too suspension-of-disbelief-breaking, or not much better than the Reapers original plan (forcibly converting everything into the form you deem superior - sure, the immediate body count is a lot higher for the goo-ification but that's not the point)
In any case, the above is meta gaming. Realistically, Shepard should have serious doubts about their sanity (as outlined by the "indoctrination" theory - which is false, but illustrates why Shepard should suspect indoctrination), and paragon will want to get the job done as much as a renegade. Note that even a full paragon Shepard has no problems killing tons of geth, rachni, assorted mercenaries, collectors, etc, in self defence, so destroying the Reapers currently actively killing people on Earth/Palaven/etc would not be stretch.
Still, Reapers survive, all life (synthetic or otherwise) survives, even if they're stranded on one planet until they can salvage and repair their FTL drives
The Night Mammoth wrote...
MalevoIence wrote...
AlexMBrennan wrote...
All choices are equally renegade, colour of explosion notwithstanding. Morally, there's really no difference between mind-controlling and destroying the Reapers, and synthesis is either too suspension-of-disbelief-breaking, or not much better than the Reapers original plan (forcibly converting everything into the form you deem superior - sure, the immediate body count is a lot higher for the goo-ification but that's not the point)
In any case, the above is meta gaming. Realistically, Shepard should have serious doubts about their sanity (as outlined by the "indoctrination" theory - which is false, but illustrates why Shepard should suspect indoctrination), and paragon will want to get the job done as much as a renegade. Note that even a full paragon Shepard has no problems killing tons of geth, rachni, assorted mercenaries, collectors, etc, in self defence, so destroying the Reapers currently actively killing people on Earth/Palaven/etc would not be stretch.
Still, Reapers survive, all life (synthetic or otherwise) survives, even if they're stranded on one planet until they can salvage and repair their FTL drives
No, not all life survives. The majority of advanced civilizations are now as dead as the Protheans, or doomed to be like that in a few years.
There's a reason they need the Mass Relays to travel, conventional FTL doesn't cut it. Nihlus says as much at the start. Without them, travel is impossible.
Modifié par MalevoIence, 18 mars 2012 - 02:05 .
youre taking this a bit personally. it was a jab at Bioware, not you.MalevoIence wrote...
ed87 wrote...
Color-coding the endings... Bioware must think 10 year olds play the game
That's on their part, not my place to judge their lack of complexity, it's just there
How do you feel about them color coding the sun at the end of ME2? Or color coding all your choices up to the end?
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