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[MalevoIence]

ed87 wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Color-coding the endings... Bioware must think 10 year olds play the game

That's on their part, not my place to judge their lack of complexity, it's just there

How do you feel about them color coding the sun at the end of ME2? Or color coding all your choices up to the end?

youre taking this a bit personally. it was a jab at Bioware, not you.

Color coding responses: I can live with that. In ME2 i remember i picked the response labelled "I did your work for you." thinking that it was going to be a nice response. It turned out to be the renegade one and i didnt like that. That has function.

Color coding the sun: Minor detail. I got no problem with that. The end of ME2 was focused on the chat with the illusive man, not the color of the sun.

Color coding endings: Endings were mostly the same animations with different color. The most important part of the game was color coded like some kid's show. Thats when i have a problem

no worries, I didn't take anything personally, if anything I was reinforcing the notion that maybe it was made very simplistically in color coding everything

Im saying that the entire game they color code everything, maybe they are just that black and white... too many are trying to find a grey.... or in the indoctrination theory's way switch black with white.... but that just isn't so

[Ricvenart]

MalevoIence wrote...

Ricvenart wrote...

I see this is pointless, you are so focused on you're Idea (Blue is best so there ) you dismiss all others.

Exactly why the endings are so bad.

I see this is pointless aswell, you are so focused on your idea you dismiss all others.

Exactly why the endings are so bad

Oh wait...... you're the pot calling the kettle black aren't you?

No not really, seen as I asked you a question sincerely with a reason, I don't know how much more clearly labeled Control can be to imply control.

You just rebutted with why am I so focused on Green, which I'm not. Either way Bioware plays it now I'm accepting the Indoc. theory, so green to me with that theory is Shepard sucumbing to the indoctrination, but regardless I asked you the question "What if".

Seriously if you think that reply was remotely clever try again. You're the first here in your original post to more or less tell people they are wrong and repeatedly dismiss not argue against all other ideas.

[wryterra]

MalevoIence wrote...

Though my interpretation isn't full of pics, and screengrabs, or a page long, it's not convuluted either.  It's straight forward thinking and Indoctrinated Theories is just people giving Bioware too much credit

All paragon choices are to save life, why is it wrong to consider destroying Reapers- pretty much a race themselves (ex. Geth) a Renegade option?  

Preserving life, the Rachni queen, saving the Geth, saving the Krogan are paragon options, why can't saving the Reapers be considered a Paragon option to if it means saving all forms of life?  

Reapers are gone, and life can carry on, and Shepard will take the Reapers far away, it isn't continuing the cycle, it's breaking the cycle peacefully, allowing all parties to live.  Sounds very Paragon to me 

 I thought it through more carefully, the whole indoctrination theory is false simply because I dont think they're that creative, especially since they color coat everything. You do renegade, red burst of death, paragon, blue burst of peace. 

Alot of emphasis is put into the starchild smiling.  If the kid was smiling, may have been because you chose a side where no one dies and everyone lives, no other cycle before you has finished the crucible in time making this a unique event.   

My beliefs that the Indoctrination theory, is just fans wanting to put more meaning into something even when the true meaning is right in front of them. 

So The Illusive Man was a good guy and Anderson was a bad guy?

[S Atomeha]

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

Paragon is about staying true to your morals or some semblance of pre-ascribed morals(depending on your point of view[like the brain dead guy/president]) Red is the destruction of reapers, it is, and has been your only goal the entire series. anything else and you've failed.

Let me think of the equivalent..... Matrix 3.... Despite all the killing, and enslaving, eventually the hero had no choice but to trust the machines that there will be a peace at the cost of his own life.  These are the same machines killing humans for the last 3 movies, and instead of wanting to destroy them, they started talking about peace, which ended up the correct path.  Hate using that crappy movie as a reference, but it's the best comparison to the Mass Effect 3 ending I could think of.

It isn't failing to NOT kill the Reapers.  It's preserving all life in the Galaxy, whether it's synthetic or organic

Matrix 3 is built around one of the machines gone rogue and presenting a threat to both humanity/the machines.
Here your presented with choices between destroying reapers at the cost of supposedly yourself,EDI and the Geth.  We know the first part is a lie, shepard does in fact survive.  The star child guy lies to you, he tries to turn you away from the red choice, that much is evident. 

but, either way you are killing most species. Preservation of the galaxy is only achievable through the keeping of the Mass Relays.  What you are forced to do no matter what is sentence the quarians, and krogans at the very least to starve.  

And Green your just doing the Reapers job for them.

How is that evident...... your guessing

The fact Reapers left without killing all organic life which could oppose them proves he's telling the truth, now that is evident,

believing they will come back eventually is speculation and even more guessing

We know Shepard survives the Red ending after being specifically told that it would kill him.
In the others he disintegrates, no special "secret endings"

Doesn't disintegrates, fuses into the Reapers like Legion did with the Geth, he's still alive persay, which is why he influenced the Reapers to leave

and that wasn't some special ending in my eyes, your just hoping for a Mass Effect 4 because he gasped for breath, though you might say the red Renegade ending maybe the choice that the series will continue from (if they do) doesn't mean it's the Paragon choice

fine he uploads himself into them, or every thing in the galaxy thereby controlling every reaper, or everything. it's a very paragon choice:whistle:<_<.  It doesn't change the fact one of the last paragon dialogue option says "but you're taking away our future, without a future we have no hope.  wiithout hope we might as well be machines, programmed to do as we're told."  Green your taking everyone's future away via forcing evolution on them.  Reapers being sentient, your forcing the future on everyone via blue/green.  Red is the only one that allows sentients to develop their own future.

No i am not wishing for a ME4, but the Red ending as presented by the child is a lie.  

[MalevoIence]

blood-dodo wrote...

Ok, you assume that the StarChild is telling you the truth, and base your idea for the ending on that.
However, if you have a high enough EMS and choose the Destroy ending, Shepard is proven to live, something the Catalyst explicitly states won't happen.
Explain that, or adjust your theory accordingly. Until then, have a good day

Lol, I can imagine you going "in your face" when you wrote that.  Like I said, Shepard didn't die when interfacing with the Reapers, as shown that he was controlling them.... and the fact your basing this off of an instance that it shows he gasps for breath..... your basing this off of a hope they'll make a Mass Effect 4.  That's to appease ppl like you who want Shepard to live

[The Night Mammoth]

I don't care if they make Mass Effect 4 or not. There's still no reason why Shepard can't live happily ever after.

[WingerNu1]

Example from ME3; Paragon option is to let the Batarian terrorist die, Renegade's to call the doctor. Mass Effect has never been just 'black and white', and I don't believe they'd begin doing so at the end. There has been plenty of proof given, both in and out of game, that the ending wasn't as simple as some want it to be. You're(OP) basing all of your theories on assumptions, and then attempting to berate others for doing the same. I think it's funny that your entire argument is based on 'Paragon saves lives while Renegade ends them' when that's never been the case. Paragons always attempted to take the high road, if there was one, whereas Renegades did whatever was necessary. Going through that logic, each of the endings was ambiguous towards either moral stance; some might see control of the Reapers as the ultimate necessity if they let themselves be influenced by the Illusive Man, whereas others might see the 'Paragon', or morally correct option to be synthesis, so all races can live in harmony. I found it a disgrace to the dead to end with anything less than the destruction of the Reapers.
As an addendum, the Reapers have lied to you plenty of times before. Could've sworn they'd told us they were unstoppable, and that we'd changed nothing.

[MalevoIence]

S Atomeha wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

Paragon is about staying true to your morals or some semblance of pre-ascribed morals(depending on your point of view[like the brain dead guy/president]) Red is the destruction of reapers, it is, and has been your only goal the entire series. anything else and you've failed.

Let me think of the equivalent..... Matrix 3.... Despite all the killing, and enslaving, eventually the hero had no choice but to trust the machines that there will be a peace at the cost of his own life.  These are the same machines killing humans for the last 3 movies, and instead of wanting to destroy them, they started talking about peace, which ended up the correct path.  Hate using that crappy movie as a reference, but it's the best comparison to the Mass Effect 3 ending I could think of.

It isn't failing to NOT kill the Reapers.  It's preserving all life in the Galaxy, whether it's synthetic or organic

Matrix 3 is built around one of the machines gone rogue and presenting a threat to both humanity/the machines.
Here your presented with choices between destroying reapers at the cost of supposedly yourself,EDI and the Geth.  We know the first part is a lie, shepard does in fact survive.  The star child guy lies to you, he tries to turn you away from the red choice, that much is evident. 

but, either way you are killing most species. Preservation of the galaxy is only achievable through the keeping of the Mass Relays.  What you are forced to do no matter what is sentence the quarians, and krogans at the very least to starve.  

And Green your just doing the Reapers job for them.

How is that evident...... your guessing

The fact Reapers left without killing all organic life which could oppose them proves he's telling the truth, now that is evident,

believing they will come back eventually is speculation and even more guessing

We know Shepard survives the Red ending after being specifically told that it would kill him.
In the others he disintegrates, no special "secret endings"

Doesn't disintegrates, fuses into the Reapers like Legion did with the Geth, he's still alive persay, which is why he influenced the Reapers to leave

and that wasn't some special ending in my eyes, your just hoping for a Mass Effect 4 because he gasped for breath, though you might say the red Renegade ending maybe the choice that the series will continue from (if they do) doesn't mean it's the Paragon choice

fine he uploads himself into them, or every thing in the galaxy thereby controlling every reaper, or everything. it's a very paragon choice:whistle:<_<.  It doesn't change the fact one of the last paragon dialogue option says "but you're taking away our future, without a future we have no hope.  wiithout hope we might as well be machines, programmed to do as we're told."  Green your taking everyone's future away via forcing evolution on them.  Reapers being sentient, your forcing the future on everyone via blue/green.  Red is the only one that allows sentients to develop their own future.

No i am not wishing for a ME4, but the Red ending as presented by the child is a lie.  

Haha, I see you think you're clever with the smiley faces... anyways, Shepard referred to what their purpose was in the galaxy but he also said Shepard if integrated would control the Reapers, and Shepard wouldn't allow that to happen.  He was telling the truth, or all life would have been destroyed then and there

[wryterra]

MalevoIence wrote...

blood-dodo wrote...

Ok, you assume that the StarChild is telling you the truth, and base your idea for the ending on that.
However, if you have a high enough EMS and choose the Destroy ending, Shepard is proven to live, something the Catalyst explicitly states won't happen.
Explain that, or adjust your theory accordingly. Until then, have a good day

Lol, I can imagine you going "in your face" when you wrote that.  Like I said, Shepard didn't die when interfacing with the Reapers, as shown that he was controlling them.... and the fact your basing this off of an instance that it shows he gasps for breath..... your basing this off of a hope they'll make a Mass Effect 4.  That's to appease ppl like you who want Shepard to live

Shepard does gasp for breath, after the destroy ending only and the name of the file is worth a look too. It's not just a hope. "End03_Shepard_Alive_Male" is a video of Shepard, alive and male. (There's a female version too). 

[MalevoIence]

WingerNu1 wrote...

Example from ME3; Paragon option is to let the Batarian terrorist die, Renegade's to call the doctor. Mass Effect has never been just 'black and white', and I don't believe they'd begin doing so at the end. There has been plenty of proof given, both in and out of game, that the ending wasn't as simple as some want it to be. You're(OP) basing all of your theories on assumptions, and then attempting to berate others for doing the same. I think it's funny that your entire argument is based on 'Paragon saves lives while Renegade ends them' when that's never been the case. Paragons always attempted to take the high road, if there was one, whereas Renegades did whatever was necessary. Going through that logic, each of the endings was ambiguous towards either moral stance; some might see control of the Reapers as the ultimate necessity if they let themselves be influenced by the Illusive Man, whereas others might see the 'Paragon', or morally correct option to be synthesis, so all races can live in harmony. I found it a disgrace to the dead to end with anything less than the destruction of the Reapers.
As an addendum, the Reapers have lied to you plenty of times before. Could've sworn they'd told us they were unstoppable, and that we'd changed nothing.

The Batarian wanted to die because he was suffering, Reapers didn't ask Shepard to kill them. 

The Reapers didn't lie, from their point of view they are unstoppable, and without the crucible they could change nothing... just not asking the right questions; like..... how do we stop you?

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[Walsh1980]

blood-dodo wrote...

Ok, you assume that the StarChild is telling you the truth, and base your idea for the ending on that.
However, if you have a high enough EMS and choose the Destroy ending, Shepard is proven to live, something the Catalyst explicitly states won't happen.
Explain that, or adjust your theory accordingly. Until then, have a good day

Actually all he says is that "even you are partially synthetic", he doesnt say you will flat out die like in Control, or become a part of the Catalyst (everyone) in Synthesis.  So while he is warning you, Shepard (with enough EMS, and being the renegade option imo) is tough enough to survive, screw the warning.

[MalevoIence]

wryterra wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

blood-dodo wrote...

Ok, you assume that the StarChild is telling you the truth, and base your idea for the ending on that.
However, if you have a high enough EMS and choose the Destroy ending, Shepard is proven to live, something the Catalyst explicitly states won't happen.
Explain that, or adjust your theory accordingly. Until then, have a good day

Lol, I can imagine you going "in your face" when you wrote that.  Like I said, Shepard didn't die when interfacing with the Reapers, as shown that he was controlling them.... and the fact your basing this off of an instance that it shows he gasps for breath..... your basing this off of a hope they'll make a Mass Effect 4.  That's to appease ppl like you who want Shepard to live

Shepard does gasp for breath, after the destroy ending only and the name of the file is worth a look too. It's not just a hope. "End03_Shepard_Alive_Male" is a video of Shepard, alive and male. (There's a female version too). 

I didn't argue the fact he was alive...... said the hope that they're making a Mass Effect 4

[The Night Mammoth]

MalevoIence wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

All choices are equally renegade, colour of explosion notwithstanding. Morally, there's really no difference between mind-controlling and destroying the Reapers, and synthesis is either too suspension-of-disbelief-breaking, or not much better than the Reapers original plan (forcibly converting everything into the form you deem superior - sure, the immediate body count is a lot higher for the goo-ification but that's not the point)

In any case, the above is meta gaming. Realistically, Shepard should have serious doubts about their sanity (as outlined by the "indoctrination" theory - which is false, but illustrates why Shepard should suspect indoctrination), and paragon will want to get the job done as much as a renegade. Note that even a full paragon Shepard has no problems killing tons of geth, rachni, assorted mercenaries, collectors, etc, in self defence, so destroying the Reapers currently actively killing people on Earth/Palaven/etc would not be stretch.

Still, Reapers survive, all life (synthetic or otherwise) survives, even if they're stranded on one planet until they can salvage and repair their FTL drives

No, not all life survives. The majority of advanced civilizations are now as dead as the Protheans, or doomed to be like that in a few years. 

There's a reason they need the Mass Relays to travel, conventional FTL doesn't cut it. Nihlus says as much at the start. Without them, travel is impossible. 

Eh... okay, lets compare........ all life survives and is marooned on one planet........ OR all synthetic life is destroyed, and All Organic life is stuck on one planet....... I see no difference besides, more ppl are living with the Blue Paragon decision

That's not really related to what I was saying above. Regardless of what choice you pick, Control and Synthesis are pretty much identical, Destroy differs in that the Geth and EDI are definitely dead, but all have pretty much exactly the same immediate consequences: pretty much everyone you try to save is soon to die. 

Everyone is marooned eitherway, point is, no races are completely obliterated, Geth or otherwise, and Im sure Joker is happy EDI isn't dead

Until the Normandy runs out of power, or he dies of starvation. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 18 mars 2012 - 02:21 .

[wryterra]

MalevoIence wrote...

wryterra wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

blood-dodo wrote...

Ok, you assume that the StarChild is telling you the truth, and base your idea for the ending on that.
However, if you have a high enough EMS and choose the Destroy ending, Shepard is proven to live, something the Catalyst explicitly states won't happen.
Explain that, or adjust your theory accordingly. Until then, have a good day

Lol, I can imagine you going "in your face" when you wrote that.  Like I said, Shepard didn't die when interfacing with the Reapers, as shown that he was controlling them.... and the fact your basing this off of an instance that it shows he gasps for breath..... your basing this off of a hope they'll make a Mass Effect 4.  That's to appease ppl like you who want Shepard to live

Shepard does gasp for breath, after the destroy ending only and the name of the file is worth a look too. It's not just a hope. "End03_Shepard_Alive_Male" is a video of Shepard, alive and male. (There's a female version too). 

I didn't argue the fact he was alive...... said the hope that they're making a Mass Effect 4

He only survives after the destroy ending, however. Control he is vaporised. The child explains Shepard will lose all that she has. Synthesis she is consumed by the catalyst and destroyed. The only survival is destroy.

You have still yet to answer my criticism that the paragon figure we're presented with is TIM and the renegade figure we're presented with is Anderson.

[Redban103]

The fact that the mass relays blow up in all situations, including the "good ending," is why the starchild would be happy, not because it seems like an everyone lives kind of situation, but more that now the Reapers are now the only race that would probably survive and prosper after the backlash from the relays, compared to the dead and stranded alien races who went to earth.

Modifié par Redban103, 18 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[SkitSkit]

 Nah, see in the ending EVERYTHING is juxtaposed... in ME1 and 2 your morality status bars on the squad screen, Renegade was always on the left (The blue ending was on the left) and Paragon was on the right (Red ending on the left). TIM is definatly the embodyment of Renegade while Anderson is the embodyment of Paragon. that and all the BS with the child, the dreams and the space fairy, There is a cubic **** tonne of coincidences

Now, saying that, with my pesimistic veiw of the universe it's entirely possible that they really are that stupid that the pathetic ending we have at the moment was a good idea, but the patterns are there in the game... the only problem is that BW PR response has been terrible.

So here is my recomendation to Bioware, if Indoctrination theory is indeed true, move the time table forward. announce the DLC on monday and release it halfway through april. I'm sure there was a whole plan to do an april fools joke, but its not worth the continued bad PR. AND WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT USING EA's PR!?!

Hold the Line

[S Atomeha]

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

Paragon is about staying true to your morals or some semblance of pre-ascribed morals(depending on your point of view[like the brain dead guy/president]) Red is the destruction of reapers, it is, and has been your only goal the entire series. anything else and you've failed.

Let me think of the equivalent..... Matrix 3.... Despite all the killing, and enslaving, eventually the hero had no choice but to trust the machines that there will be a peace at the cost of his own life.  These are the same machines killing humans for the last 3 movies, and instead of wanting to destroy them, they started talking about peace, which ended up the correct path.  Hate using that crappy movie as a reference, but it's the best comparison to the Mass Effect 3 ending I could think of.

It isn't failing to NOT kill the Reapers.  It's preserving all life in the Galaxy, whether it's synthetic or organic

Matrix 3 is built around one of the machines gone rogue and presenting a threat to both humanity/the machines.
Here your presented with choices between destroying reapers at the cost of supposedly yourself,EDI and the Geth.  We know the first part is a lie, shepard does in fact survive.  The star child guy lies to you, he tries to turn you away from the red choice, that much is evident. 

but, either way you are killing most species. Preservation of the galaxy is only achievable through the keeping of the Mass Relays.  What you are forced to do no matter what is sentence the quarians, and krogans at the very least to starve.  

And Green your just doing the Reapers job for them.

How is that evident...... your guessing

The fact Reapers left without killing all organic life which could oppose them proves he's telling the truth, now that is evident,

believing they will come back eventually is speculation and even more guessing

We know Shepard survives the Red ending after being specifically told that it would kill him.
In the others he disintegrates, no special "secret endings"

Doesn't disintegrates, fuses into the Reapers like Legion did with the Geth, he's still alive persay, which is why he influenced the Reapers to leave

and that wasn't some special ending in my eyes, your just hoping for a Mass Effect 4 because he gasped for breath, though you might say the red Renegade ending maybe the choice that the series will continue from (if they do) doesn't mean it's the Paragon choice

fine he uploads himself into them, or every thing in the galaxy thereby controlling every reaper, or everything. it's a very paragon choice:whistle:<_<.  It doesn't change the fact one of the last paragon dialogue option says "but you're taking away our future, without a future we have no hope.  wiithout hope we might as well be machines, programmed to do as we're told."  Green your taking everyone's future away via forcing evolution on them.  Reapers being sentient, your forcing the future on everyone via blue/green.  Red is the only one that allows sentients to develop their own future.

No i am not wishing for a ME4, but the Red ending as presented by the child is a lie.  

Haha, I see you think you're clever with the smiley faces... anyways, Shepard referred to what their purpose was in the galaxy but he also said Shepard if integrated would control the Reapers, and Shepard wouldn't allow that to happen.  He was telling the truth, or all life would have been destroyed then and there

he wasn't this is the ending to having a high ems and choosing red
 
if you don't believe that
http://www.youtube.c..._gE58Bg#t=1479s
you can go back in the vid and double check.  

[wryterra]

Redban103 wrote...

The fact that the mass relays blow up in all situations, including the "good ending" is why the starchild would be happy, since the Reapers are now the only race that would probably survive and prosper after the backlash from the relays, in a simple black and white scenario that is.

Relays don't blow up in control. 

This is something that bothers me a lot because it keeps getting said. 'Releasing the energy of the catalyst will destroy the mass relays', which happens with synthesis or destroy. In control's ending the citadel arms close and the energy is transmitted through the network but watch the ending video. The relays don't explode in control. 

EDIT: Never mind me just checked. Citadel survives, catalyst energy is not released, relays blow up regardless. That's even more stupid. 

Modifié par wryterra, 18 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[MalevoIence]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

All choices are equally renegade, colour of explosion notwithstanding. Morally, there's really no difference between mind-controlling and destroying the Reapers, and synthesis is either too suspension-of-disbelief-breaking, or not much better than the Reapers original plan (forcibly converting everything into the form you deem superior - sure, the immediate body count is a lot higher for the goo-ification but that's not the point)

In any case, the above is meta gaming. Realistically, Shepard should have serious doubts about their sanity (as outlined by the "indoctrination" theory - which is false, but illustrates why Shepard should suspect indoctrination), and paragon will want to get the job done as much as a renegade. Note that even a full paragon Shepard has no problems killing tons of geth, rachni, assorted mercenaries, collectors, etc, in self defence, so destroying the Reapers currently actively killing people on Earth/Palaven/etc would not be stretch.

Still, Reapers survive, all life (synthetic or otherwise) survives, even if they're stranded on one planet until they can salvage and repair their FTL drives

No, not all life survives. The majority of advanced civilizations are now as dead as the Protheans, or doomed to be like that in a few years. 

There's a reason they need the Mass Relays to travel, conventional FTL doesn't cut it. Nihlus says as much at the start. Without them, travel is impossible. 

Eh... okay, lets compare........ all life survives and is marooned on one planet........ OR all synthetic life is destroyed, and All Organic life is stuck on one planet....... I see no difference besides, more ppl are living with the Blue Paragon decision

That's not really related to what I was saying above. Regardless of what choice you pick, Control and Synthesis are pretty much identical, Destroy differs in that the Geth and EDI are definitely dead, but all have pretty much exactly the same immediate consequences: pretty much everyone you try to save is soon to die. 

E

veryone is marooned eitherway, point is, no races are completely obliterated, Geth or otherwise, and Im sure Joker is happy EDI isn't dead

Until the Normandy runs out of power, or he dies of starvation. 

And I continue to say they aren't the same, you just assume that's following what the Reapers want and assuming they are "bad" machines because they were programmed to reset the galaxy every 50000 years

The last part is just nitpicking, eitherway that would be the ending in any case, but in that case, EDI is alive, and so are all other synthetics

[The Night Mammoth]

wryterra wrote...

Redban103 wrote...

The fact that the mass relays blow up in all situations, including the "good ending" is why the starchild would be happy, since the Reapers are now the only race that would probably survive and prosper after the backlash from the relays, in a simple black and white scenario that is.

Relays don't blow up in control. 

This is something that bothers me a lot because it keeps getting said. 'Releasing the energy of the catalyst will destroy the mass relays', which happens with synthesis or destroy. In control's ending the citadel arms close and the energy is transmitted through the network but watch the ending video. The relays don't explode in control. 

Yes, they do. The star kid says the will, and the Charon Relay clready blows up. 

[MalevoIence]

wryterra wrote...

Redban103 wrote...

The fact that the mass relays blow up in all situations, including the "good ending" is why the starchild would be happy, since the Reapers are now the only race that would probably survive and prosper after the backlash from the relays, in a simple black and white scenario that is.

Relays don't blow up in control. 

This is something that bothers me a lot because it keeps getting said. 'Releasing the energy of the catalyst will destroy the mass relays', which happens with synthesis or destroy. In control's ending the citadel arms close and the energy is transmitted through the network but watch the ending video. The relays don't explode in control. 

The starchild says they get destroyed

Modifié par MalevoIence, 18 mars 2012 - 02:24 .

[WingerNu1]

MalevoIence wrote...

WingerNu1 wrote...

Example from ME3; Paragon option is to let the Batarian terrorist die, Renegade's to call the doctor. Mass Effect has never been just 'black and white', and I don't believe they'd begin doing so at the end. There has been plenty of proof given, both in and out of game, that the ending wasn't as simple as some want it to be. You're(OP) basing all of your theories on assumptions, and then attempting to berate others for doing the same. I think it's funny that your entire argument is based on 'Paragon saves lives while Renegade ends them' when that's never been the case. Paragons always attempted to take the high road, if there was one, whereas Renegades did whatever was necessary. Going through that logic, each of the endings was ambiguous towards either moral stance; some might see control of the Reapers as the ultimate necessity if they let themselves be influenced by the Illusive Man, whereas others might see the 'Paragon', or morally correct option to be synthesis, so all races can live in harmony. I found it a disgrace to the dead to end with anything less than the destruction of the Reapers.
As an addendum, the Reapers have lied to you plenty of times before. Could've sworn they'd told us they were unstoppable, and that we'd changed nothing.

The Batarian wanted to die because he was suffering, Reapers didn't ask Shepard to kill them. 

That's not the point. You've done this before in the thread; somebody provides you with proof, you negate it. You stated that Paragon was always about preservation of life, and Renegade was about ending it. There are plenty of examples in Mass Effect that make that untrue. And I don't understand why you felt the need to add in the last half of your sentence. You stated that the Reapers had never lied to you, and we had no reason to distrust them. It was obvious they were growing scared, if you listened at all in the course of the three games. In the Collector base, they stated that Shepard had 'changed nothing', when in fact, he was the one that would destroy them. I'd say he'd managed to accomplish something by that point. They tell you that they are unbeatable. Again, false.

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SkitSkit wrote...

So here is my recomendation to Bioware, if Indoctrination theory is indeed true, move the time table forward. announce the DLC on monday and release it halfway through april. I'm sure there was a whole plan to do an april fools joke, but its not worth the continued bad PR. AND WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT USING EA's PR!?!

Hold the Line

 
I don't think the indoctrination theory is true, for one it would be too smart for them considering their record, and secondly if it were true then the game should've finished if Shepard lives. If he survies the red ending and it was all an illusion then that means the Reapers are still there and they're still exterminating life. Then that gets contradicted even more seeing the stargazer scene where it makes the events seem genuine so in every case its seems they left us an unfinished game. I'd love to see it be true however.

Modifié par Redban103, 18 mars 2012 - 02:30 .

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MalevoIence wrote...


And I continue to say they aren't the same, you just assume that's following what the Reapers want and assuming they are "bad" machines because they were programmed to reset the galaxy every 50000 years

There is nothing to assume here. They ARE bad machines. Period.

[MalevoIence]

Differences......... Blue Paragon Ending- Everyone lives and Fleets marooned on a single planet, Red Renegade Ending- All synthetics die and the remainder of the fleet is marooned on a single planet........ Rest of it is assumption- assumption that the starchild was lying to Shepard when it shows the Reapers leaving opposed to killing everyone showing he was telling the truth, or the assumption he was hallucinating or indoctrinated for the simple opinion "Oh, Anderson couldn't ever be the Renegade option, why?"