Zardoc wrote...
MalevoIence wrote...
And I continue to say they aren't the same, you just assume that's following what the Reapers want and assuming they are "bad" machines because they were programmed to reset the galaxy every 50000 years
There is nothing to assume here. They ARE bad machines. Period.
MalevoIence wrote...
Differences......... Blue Paragon Ending- Everyone lives and Fleets marooned on a single planet, Red Renegade Ending- All synthetics die and the remainder of the fleet is marooned on a single planet........ Rest of it is assumption- assumption that the starchild was lying to Shepard when it shows the Reapers leaving opposed to killing everyone showing he was telling the truth, or the assumption he was hallucinating or indoctrinated for the simple opinion "Oh, Anderson couldn't ever be the Renegade option, why?"
S Atomeha wrote...
he wasn't this is the ending to having a high ems and choosing redMalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
fine he uploads himself into them, or every thing in the galaxy thereby controlling every reaper, or everything. it's a very paragon choice:whistle:<_<. It doesn't change the fact one of the last paragon dialogue option says "but you're taking away our future, without a future we have no hope. wiithout hope we might as well be machines, programmed to do as we're told." Green your taking everyone's future away via forcing evolution on them. Reapers being sentient, your forcing the future on everyone via blue/green. Red is the only one that allows sentients to develop their own future.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
We know Shepard survives the Red ending after being specifically told that it would kill him.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Matrix 3 is built around one of the machines gone rogue and presenting a threat to both humanity/the machines.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Paragon is about staying true to your morals or some semblance of pre-ascribed morals(depending on your point of view[like the brain dead guy/president]) Red is the destruction of reapers, it is, and has been your only goal the entire series. anything else and you've failed.
Let me think of the equivalent..... Matrix 3.... Despite all the killing, and enslaving, eventually the hero had no choice but to trust the machines that there will be a peace at the cost of his own life. These are the same machines killing humans for the last 3 movies, and instead of wanting to destroy them, they started talking about peace, which ended up the correct path. Hate using that crappy movie as a reference, but it's the best comparison to the Mass Effect 3 ending I could think of.
It isn't failing to NOT kill the Reapers. It's preserving all life in the Galaxy, whether it's synthetic or organic
Here your presented with choices between destroying reapers at the cost of supposedly yourself,EDI and the Geth. We know the first part is a lie, shepard does in fact survive. The star child guy lies to you, he tries to turn you away from the red choice, that much is evident.
but, either way you are killing most species. Preservation of the galaxy is only achievable through the keeping of the Mass Relays. What you are forced to do no matter what is sentence the quarians, and krogans at the very least to starve.
And Green your just doing the Reapers job for them.
How is that evident...... your guessing
The fact Reapers left without killing all organic life which could oppose them proves he's telling the truth, now that is evident,
believing they will come back eventually is speculation and even more guessing
In the others he disintegrates, no special "secret endings"
Doesn't disintegrates, fuses into the Reapers like Legion did with the Geth, he's still alive persay, which is why he influenced the Reapers to leave
and that wasn't some special ending in my eyes, your just hoping for a Mass Effect 4 because he gasped for breath, though you might say the red Renegade ending maybe the choice that the series will continue from (if they do) doesn't mean it's the Paragon choice
No i am not wishing for a ME4, but the Red ending as presented by the child is a lie.
Haha, I see you think you're clever with the smiley faces... anyways, Shepard referred to what their purpose was in the galaxy but he also said Shepard if integrated would control the Reapers, and Shepard wouldn't allow that to happen. He was telling the truth, or all life would have been destroyed then and there
if you don't believe that
http://www.youtube.c..._gE58Bg#t=1479s
you can go back in the vid and double check.
MalevoIence wrote...
wryterra wrote...
Redban103 wrote...
The fact that the mass relays blow up in all situations, including the "good ending" is why the starchild would be happy, since the Reapers are now the only race that would probably survive and prosper after the backlash from the relays, in a simple black and white scenario that is.
Relays don't blow up in control.
This is something that bothers me a lot because it keeps getting said. 'Releasing the energy of the catalyst will destroy the mass relays', which happens with synthesis or destroy. In control's ending the citadel arms close and the energy is transmitted through the network but watch the ending video. The relays don't explode in control.
The starchild says they get destroyed
MalevoIence wrote...
And I continue to say they aren't the same, you just assume that's following what the Reapers want and assuming they are "bad" machines because they were programmed to reset the galaxy every 50000 years
The last part is just nitpicking, eitherway that would be the ending in any case, but in that case, EDI is alive, and so are all other synthetics
MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
he wasn't this is the ending to having a high ems and choosing redMalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
fine he uploads himself into them, or every thing in the galaxy thereby controlling every reaper, or everything. it's a very paragon choice:whistle:<_<. It doesn't change the fact one of the last paragon dialogue option says "but you're taking away our future, without a future we have no hope. wiithout hope we might as well be machines, programmed to do as we're told." Green your taking everyone's future away via forcing evolution on them. Reapers being sentient, your forcing the future on everyone via blue/green. Red is the only one that allows sentients to develop their own future.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
We know Shepard survives the Red ending after being specifically told that it would kill him.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Matrix 3 is built around one of the machines gone rogue and presenting a threat to both humanity/the machines.MalevoIence wrote...
S Atomeha wrote...
Paragon is about staying true to your morals or some semblance of pre-ascribed morals(depending on your point of view[like the brain dead guy/president]) Red is the destruction of reapers, it is, and has been your only goal the entire series. anything else and you've failed.
Let me think of the equivalent..... Matrix 3.... Despite all the killing, and enslaving, eventually the hero had no choice but to trust the machines that there will be a peace at the cost of his own life. These are the same machines killing humans for the last 3 movies, and instead of wanting to destroy them, they started talking about peace, which ended up the correct path. Hate using that crappy movie as a reference, but it's the best comparison to the Mass Effect 3 ending I could think of.
It isn't failing to NOT kill the Reapers. It's preserving all life in the Galaxy, whether it's synthetic or organic
Here your presented with choices between destroying reapers at the cost of supposedly yourself,EDI and the Geth. We know the first part is a lie, shepard does in fact survive. The star child guy lies to you, he tries to turn you away from the red choice, that much is evident.
but, either way you are killing most species. Preservation of the galaxy is only achievable through the keeping of the Mass Relays. What you are forced to do no matter what is sentence the quarians, and krogans at the very least to starve.
And Green your just doing the Reapers job for them.
How is that evident...... your guessing
The fact Reapers left without killing all organic life which could oppose them proves he's telling the truth, now that is evident,
believing they will come back eventually is speculation and even more guessing
In the others he disintegrates, no special "secret endings"
Doesn't disintegrates, fuses into the Reapers like Legion did with the Geth, he's still alive persay, which is why he influenced the Reapers to leave
and that wasn't some special ending in my eyes, your just hoping for a Mass Effect 4 because he gasped for breath, though you might say the red Renegade ending maybe the choice that the series will continue from (if they do) doesn't mean it's the Paragon choice
No i am not wishing for a ME4, but the Red ending as presented by the child is a lie.
Haha, I see you think you're clever with the smiley faces... anyways, Shepard referred to what their purpose was in the galaxy but he also said Shepard if integrated would control the Reapers, and Shepard wouldn't allow that to happen. He was telling the truth, or all life would have been destroyed then and there
if you don't believe that
http://www.youtube.c..._gE58Bg#t=1479s
you can go back in the vid and double check.
I don't think I ever said I dont believe you, Im saying so what? Shepard didn't die in Paragon Blue decision, and if you get enough MS, he won't die in Red Renegade decision, so?
wryterra wrote...
MalevoIence wrote...
Differences......... Blue Paragon Ending- Everyone lives and Fleets marooned on a single planet, Red Renegade Ending- All synthetics die and the remainder of the fleet is marooned on a single planet........ Rest of it is assumption- assumption that the starchild was lying to Shepard when it shows the Reapers leaving opposed to killing everyone showing he was telling the truth, or the assumption he was hallucinating or indoctrinated for the simple opinion "Oh, Anderson couldn't ever be the Renegade option, why?"
The starchild tells you you are partly synthetic when saying all synthetic life will die. Shepard survives this. Starchild is provably lying.
To believe he's not lying about anything else because it's not proven is ridiculous. It's as much an assumption as believing he is lying.
There was nothing in your face about it. I'm confronting you with facts, taking everything the ending offers at face-value, same as you claim to.MalevoIence wrote...
Lol, I can imagine you going "in your face" when you wrote that. Like I said, Shepard didn't die when interfacing with the Reapers, as shown that he was controlling them.... and the fact your basing this off of an instance that it shows he gasps for breath..... your basing this off of a hope they'll make a Mass Effect 4. That's to appease ppl like you who want Shepard to live
lying. This means we can't take everything he says at face value, giving us room for interpretation, which is what the Indoctrination theory is.Modifié par blood-dodo, 18 mars 2012 - 02:35 .
wryterra wrote...
MalevoIence wrote...
wryterra wrote...
Redban103 wrote...
The fact that the mass relays blow up in all situations, including the "good ending" is why the starchild would be happy, since the Reapers are now the only race that would probably survive and prosper after the backlash from the relays, in a simple black and white scenario that is.
Relays don't blow up in control.
This is something that bothers me a lot because it keeps getting said. 'Releasing the energy of the catalyst will destroy the mass relays', which happens with synthesis or destroy. In control's ending the citadel arms close and the energy is transmitted through the network but watch the ending video. The relays don't explode in control.
The starchild says they get destroyed
Actually he says releasing the energy of the catalyst will destroy them. In Control the Citadel simply closes again, it doesn't explode.
Modifié par tjmax, 18 mars 2012 - 02:37 .
S Atomeha wrote...
because Anderson=Paragon
Anderson=Saren's foil(saren became a husk more or less)
Anderson=Udina's foil(turned to verberus)
Anderson=TIM's foil(same fate as Saren)
And Bioware never changes its archetypes for the good mentor.
Red ending=allowing organics to choose.
Blue/green=giving away free will/evolution.
MalevoIence wrote...
In terms of life yes, but he now controls the Reapers, and them leaving shows he's not integrated into them aswell, seeing as how they didn't "kill" everyone
Didn't realize so many are committed to the indoctrination fiasco
blood-dodo wrote...
There was nothing in your face about it. I'm confronting you with facts, taking everything the ending offers at face-value, same as you claim to.MalevoIence wrote...
Lol, I can imagine you going "in your face" when you wrote that. Like I said, Shepard didn't die when interfacing with the Reapers, as shown that he was controlling them.... and the fact your basing this off of an instance that it shows he gasps for breath..... your basing this off of a hope they'll make a Mass Effect 4. That's to appease ppl like you who want Shepard to live
Again, the Catalyst says that, and I quote from the actual game:
"You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want. Including the geth. Most of the technology you rely on, even you, are partly synthetic."
So if the Destroy ending is chosen, Shepard will die, no doubt about it, right? Well, he doesn't, he is shown somewhere, alive, even if for just a while longer. What is important to take from this is that the Catalyst was either
a) wrong or
So, allow me to repeat myself - explain that, or adjust your theory accordingly.
edit: You argue that Shepard is only partly synthetic, but it is stated within the game that he will die without his implants.
Own-u-4-life wrote...
Then explain why Anderson (obviously the good guy) chose to destroy the reapers..
And Tim ( The villan in the game) chose to control them..
The ending doesn't make sence and if you wont want to believe the theory than watch the vid on youtube explaining it.. It makes more sence than the **** you're telling...
MalevoIence wrote...
Zardoc wrote...
MalevoIence wrote...
And I continue to say they aren't the same, you just assume that's following what the Reapers want and assuming they are "bad" machines because they were programmed to reset the galaxy every 50000 years
There is nothing to assume here. They ARE bad machines. Period.
No they're not, they were just programmed to reset the galaxy every 50000 years, now they're reprogrammed, how is that different from the heretics to the geth?
He never said Shepard will die, just that Shepard was partly synthetic, which is true
Modifié par Zardoc, 18 mars 2012 - 02:43 .
Modifié par Gorthor, 18 mars 2012 - 02:42 .
Gabriel Sinclair wrote...
The Reaper won't let you control them. Instead they control you.
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