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[xAmilli0n]

I tend to agree, for a few main reasons.

-Citadel arms close rather than Citadel being destroyed.
-Blue relay destruction sequence is different (you don't explicitly see them blow apart like Red and Green)
-Reapers leave/no species are killed.

I think we can all agree these are all positive/paragon things (at least if you don't think the Catalyst is trying to trick you). Using the same mindset, you could call Red the renegade/selfish choice. I never liked green, so I wont go into it.

Now, I haven't discounted the Indoctrination Theory (honestly I would like for it to be all a dream) but until we get an official response, I'm just gonna take what I can get in game.

[wryterra]

Harorrd wrote...

If i were a evil master ghost child i would replace blue with red to confuse the Sheppard

*like button*

[blood-dodo]

MalevoIence wrote...

He never said Shepard will die, just that Shepard was partly synthetic, which is true

He doesn't need to. If the ammount of reconstruction it took to get Shepard back on his feet in the beginning of the second game, showing you exactly how much synthetics the put into his Lungs, Brain and Blood, among others, is not enough for you to draw the connection, there is also a dialogue with doctor Chawkwas withing the third game itself.

What I get from you dodging my question is that you are determined to see your way through and a logical discussion with presenting evidence won't sway you. So I'll just leave you to it then and wish you a good day.

[MalevoIence]

Gorthor wrote...

OP is indoctrinated.

You were indoctrinated right from the point where you got hit by Harbingers laser.

Proof....

1. You never run out of bullets in your Carnifex pistol after that point. You can reload, but you can fire thousands of rounds without ever reloading.

2. The black tendrils are cluing you in that you are under the very heavy effects of indoctrination, just like they were effecting you in your dreams.

3. When you shoot Anderson in the gut, you also get shot in the gut for no reason whatsoever.

4. When you are talking to the God Child, he tries to make the "Destroy the Reapers" option the least attractive, and even makes Shephard say "So the Illusive Man was right after all..." to take you away from even thinking of it.

5. The Synthesis Option is to bring the weak-minded and people who can't decide to come to a compromise. This option is the same as trying to control the Reapers - they still win.

Once you realize that the entire level after you get hit by Harbinger is a dream and you are indoctrinated, it all makes sense. Bioware wouldn't do this to their game, they are too intelligent.

They have effectively indoctrinated and fooled 2/3 of the people that played their game. That is why after the game "ends", you revert back to before you attack the Illusive Mans base. They are likely working on the canon, DLC ending.

The Black tendrils meant IM was controlling you which caused you to shoot Anderson, which disappeared after IM was killed.

If I was organic giving synthetics the choice, I'd make destroying organics sound less attractive

Who says the Reapers win when fusing humans with synthetics?  Who says they're weak minded? It's to make everyone, yes, come to a compromise, but coexist together; neutral ground.

And your saying once I realize a speculation and an assumption I'd come to realize your point of view, I refuse to take ppls words and guesses opposed to facts and events Im sorry, what makes you indoctrine theory ppl experts or mind readers?

[Merengues 1945]

nah... the blue ending it sholud be the red... control it's loke treason... choosing blue it's like becoming XXII century's Benedict Arnold.

Green should be blue, red should be green and blue should be red.... I must say so, but we've not earned the power of the reapers, so we should not take it... it's dangerous... what if a renegade Shepard became angry because Liara or his/her LI get a new lover and he/she decides to harvest their species.

A lot of moral variables with the blue ending.

[MalevoIence]

blood-dodo wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

He never said Shepard will die, just that Shepard was partly synthetic, which is true

He doesn't need to. If the ammount of reconstruction it took to get Shepard back on his feet in the beginning of the second game, showing you exactly how much synthetics the put into his Lungs, Brain and Blood, among others, is not enough for you to draw the connection, there is also a dialogue with doctor Chawkwas withing the third game itself.

What I get from you dodging my question is that you are determined to see your way through and a logical discussion with presenting evidence won't sway you. So I'll just leave you to it then and wish you a good day.

Yes he does lol, if he told Shepard bluntly, "you would die" that would make what he's saying a lie.  Which instead he says he relies on the synthetics which is entirely true

[The Night Mammoth]

Who says the Reapers win when fusing humans with synthetics? Who says they're weak minded? It's to make everyone, yes, come to a compromise, but coexist together; neutral ground.

Because you've wasted the Crucible on changing literally nothing, letting the Reapers live and dooming everyone to a slow death.

[MalevoIence]

Merengues 1945 wrote...

nah... the blue ending it sholud be the red... control it's loke treason... choosing blue it's like becoming XXII century's Benedict Arnold.

Green should be blue, red should be green and blue should be red.... I must say so, but we've not earned the power of the reapers, so we should not take it... it's dangerous... what if a renegade Shepard became angry because Liara or his/her LI get a new lover and he/she decides to harvest their species.

A lot of moral variables with the blue ending.

No it's not, its the equivalent of killing the king, taking his place, and telling your troops to go home.  Not equivalent at all

[Gorthor]

How do you explain you getting shot in the stomach in the same place you shot Anderson, and you never running out of bullets even if you don't reload?

Its clear its not real, stop defending a position that is blatantly incorrect.

[MalevoIence]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Who says the Reapers win when fusing humans with synthetics? Who says they're weak minded? It's to make everyone, yes, come to a compromise, but coexist together; neutral ground.

Because you've wasted the Crucible on changing literally nothing, letting the Reapers live and dooming everyone to a slow death.

How do you know it's dooming? How do you know it means death?  More speculation and assumption?  You theorists seem full of those

[MalevoIence]

Gorthor wrote...

How do you explain you getting shot in the stomach in the same place you shot Anderson, and you never running out of bullets even if you don't reload?

Its clear its not real, stop defending a position that is blatantly incorrect.

You remember that Marauder you were shooting at on your way to the beam when you were in slow mo? Rewatch that, he shoots you in the gut and Shepard goes "ugh"

[Gorthor]

The pistol never running out of ammunition?

[MalevoIence]

wryterra wrote...

Harorrd wrote...

If i were a evil master ghost child i would replace blue with red to confuse the Sheppard

*like button*

If...... evil......... confuse........... woulda, coulda, and speculation

[The Night Mammoth]

MalevoIence wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Who says the Reapers win when fusing humans with synthetics? Who says they're weak minded? It's to make everyone, yes, come to a compromise, but coexist together; neutral ground.

Because you've wasted the Crucible on changing literally nothing, letting the Reapers live and dooming everyone to a slow death.

How do you know it's dooming? How do you know it means death?  More speculation and assumption?  You theorists seem full of those

Haven't we been through this before? The Mass Relays. Once gone, it means no resupplying, no rebuilding. Like Berlin after the war but on planetary scales. Would the city have survived wihout outside aid? No.

[MalevoIence]

Gorthor wrote...

The pistol never running out of ammunition?

Bad game design, or the fact at that point it didn't matter, the battles were over, that was simply an interactive sequence

[MalevoIence]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Who says the Reapers win when fusing humans with synthetics? Who says they're weak minded? It's to make everyone, yes, come to a compromise, but coexist together; neutral ground.

Because you've wasted the Crucible on changing literally nothing, letting the Reapers live and dooming everyone to a slow death.

How do you know it's dooming? How do you know it means death?  More speculation and assumption?  You theorists seem full of those

Haven't we been through this before? The Mass Relays. Once gone, it means no resupplying, no rebuilding. Like Berlin after the war but on planetary scales. Would the city have survived wihout outside aid? No.

W'eve been through this before but obviously you're not listening, relays are destroyed in every case

[Arppis]

I think you are right in a way, it was the "good" ending. You sacrifice others to make peace. That seems like something a "good" person would do.

However, I don't want to give Reapers another chance to kill more organics in the next cycle. So I blew them sky high.Even if it costed me good people. The war needed to stop.

Modifié par Arppis, 18 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[Walsh1980]

About TIM and Anderson and why they are seemingly in the wrong alignment....

Remember, Renegade is not evil, and TIM was indoctrinated, but his idea isn't necessarily evil. If TIM had gained control, sure, it would've been a nightmare, but his option, with a paragon Shepard controlling the Reapers, it's not evil. If a renegade Shepard did, maybe, but that's one of the reasons the endings aren't so great, we aren't shown the results of our decision.

Anderson is a paragon, but sacrificing what they over and over again hammer into your head to be living, thinking, feeling, albeit synthetic life form (whether you agree with it or not doesn't matter, the game wants you to know, the Geth, and EDI, are alive), for the survival of your own species, when you could have taken control and saved everyone at the cost of your own life, is a renegade option.

And again, the Catalyst isn't lying to you, Shepard is just too tough and determined to die in the Destroy option. 

And the relays are destroyed in every option, but in Control and Synthesis, the reapers, and their knowledge, still exists, so given a couple decades the Galaxy can be fixed.  And organics are close to developing relays themselves, one of the planets you can look at says it's a giant hadron collider, which the reapers paid a lot of attention into destroying, leading me to believe organics were on the way.

Modifié par Walsh1980, 18 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[wryterra]

MalevoIence wrote...

wryterra wrote...

Harorrd wrote...

If i were a evil master ghost child i would replace blue with red to confuse the Sheppard

*like button*

If...... evil......... confuse........... woulda, coulda, and speculation

It was a fun quote. It made me smile because it was funny. After all serious debate has gone out the window in this thread a long time ago because you argue against people saying that you should take the evidence of the videos at face value but refuse to accept that face value means Shepard is vaporised. You also argue using the illusion of false choice, unwilling to accept that it's possible you AND the indoctrination theory are both wrong. 

So, I might as well get a laugh out of the thread at this point. 

[Gorthor]

MalevoIence wrote...

Gorthor wrote...

The pistol never running out of ammunition?

Bad game design, or the fact at that point it didn't matter, the battles were over, that was simply an interactive sequence

LOL.

That's one of the worst dodges I've ever heard.

You give Bioware no credit, and its pretty pathetic to be quite honest.

Continue living in your fantasy world - I will keep laughing at all you cry babies raising money and crying over something that should be far more obvious than it already is to people.

[MalevoIence]

Arppis wrote...

I think you are right in a way, it was the "good" ending. You sacrifice others to make peace. That seems like something a "good" person would do.

However, I don't want to give Reapers another chance to kill more organics in the next cycle. So I blew them sky high.Even if it costed me good people. The war needed to stop.

"Good" choice is allowing everyone to live, "Bad" choice is killing EDI and all the synthetics that also helped you to fight the Reapers and trusted you

And your assumption of the Reapers coming back is speculation and assumption

[MalevoIence]

Gorthor wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

Gorthor wrote...

The pistol never running out of ammunition?

Bad game design, or the fact at that point it didn't matter, the battles were over, that was simply an interactive sequence

LOL.

That's one of the worst dodges I've ever heard.

You give Bioware no credit, and its pretty pathetic to be quite honest.

Continue living in your fantasy world - I will keep laughing at all you cry babies raising money and crying over something that should be far more obvious than it already is to people.

Wasn't a dodge, you just can't accept the fact it could be "just that simple" can you?

[MalevoIence]

wryterra wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

wryterra wrote...

Harorrd wrote...

If i were a evil master ghost child i would replace blue with red to confuse the Sheppard

*like button*

If...... evil......... confuse........... woulda, coulda, and speculation

It was a fun quote. It made me smile because it was funny. After all serious debate has gone out the window in this thread a long time ago because you argue against people saying that you should take the evidence of the videos at face value but refuse to accept that face value means Shepard is vaporised. You also argue using the illusion of false choice, unwilling to accept that it's possible you AND the indoctrination theory are both wrong. 

So, I might as well get a laugh out of the thread at this point. 

The face value took the Reapers off Earth and into deep space leaving everyone alive...... yea, I take facts at face value

[Ruari]

MalevoIence wrote...

Merengues 1945 wrote...

nah... the blue ending it sholud be the red... control it's loke treason... choosing blue it's like becoming XXII century's Benedict Arnold.

Green should be blue, red should be green and blue should be red.... I must say so, but we've not earned the power of the reapers, so we should not take it... it's dangerous... what if a renegade Shepard became angry because Liara or his/her LI get a new lover and he/she decides to harvest their species.

A lot of moral variables with the blue ending.

No it's not, its the equivalent of killing the king, taking his place, and telling your troops to go home.  Not equivalent at all

Uh no that's not quite extreme enough. It's more like killing Hitler and replacing him as the head of the **** party. Seriously, if you think the Reapers are sentient now and not just tools of ghost kid, then they are all genocidal monsters who deserve to die. Not go "home" to dark space and wait for the time when they can go back to killing the galaxy.

Edit: Also OP, it's kind of sad that you are like half the posts in this thread. I'm just going to leave it at this since you, as one other has stated, clearly don't care about reasoing. You only want to say why you think you're right over and over.

Modifié par Ruari, 18 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[ziloe]

No. The destroy ending was good. The rest mean the Reapers won.