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[Erasculio]

For Dragon Age 2, what should be canon? We have plenty of choices in the game, so many with a big impact to have DA2 adapt to each and every one of them. I think the sequel would work better if there is a canon path for the character to have been through in DA1...How do you people think the canon should be?

If we don't get to control our characters (like between KotOR 1 and 2), I think the "best" canon would be:

• Morrigan has done the ritual and had the Old Gold child. This is the best plot hook for a sequel we have right now, IMO.

• So the PC would have been male. Not as much to be the father of the baby (the child having royal blood or not would be a major thing in the story, though, so the PC being the father should be in canon too), but rather for the PC to have had received Morrigan's Ring, which could be used to track her.
• The PC would have survived, of course, together with another Grey Warden.

• The mages are alive, and so are the Dalish Elves. I think it makes most sense if the allies rallied by the Grey Wardens were the ones we were originally asked to find, and also those mentioned in the treaties. It would be easier to explain in the sequel than to say "Ah, the Grey Warden had some papers to gather elves as allies, but he decided to kill them all and get werewolves instead".
• Regardless of who wins the Dwarven throne, the Anvil would have been destroyed. Given how without the Anvil both kings lose the throne, we would remove a variable (the dwarves would be either without a king or with a third party).
• Zevran is alive, Shale is alive, Wynne is alive. More cameos FTW.

I can't figure out who should have ended as king (or queen) for a better sequel.

[Axterix]

I expect the following:
1. Morrigan did the ritual and had god child.
2. Alistair became king.
3. Alistair is the child's father.

This combination sets up a very King Arthur situation, as God child is now a candidate for the throne.

Which means that the PC, whether male or female, struck the final blow and sacrificed himself or herself. This simplifies things, as there is no reason to talk about the hero other than what the hero did as a Warden. He deposed Loghain, put Alistair on the throne, and died stopping the Blight. Nicely wrapped package.

Oh, and as to Dalish vs Werewolves, it doesn't matter really, though I imagine it'll be that the curse was lifted.  If not, well, that is only 1 clan of Dalish.  There's other clans not just in Felderen (like the one player Dalish come from), but also outside of it.

Modifié par Axterix, 29 novembre 2009 - 02:21 .

[IPerrin]

I think they left two wide open hooks for tracking morrigan with the magic ring and the imprinting of the mabari hounds. I think they'll want to use the alistair character again, so it should probably be with alistair as king.

[Yorenec]

Axterix wrote...

I expect the following:
1. Morrigan did the ritual and had god child.
2. Alistair became king.
3. Alistair is the child's father.

This combination sets up a very King Arthur situation, as God child is now a candidate for the throne.

Which means that the PC, whether male or female, struck the final blow and sacrificed himself or herself. This simplifies things, as there is no reason to talk about the hero other than what the hero did as a Warden. He deposed Loghain, put Alistair on the throne, and died stopping the Blight. Nicely wrapped package.

I'm not sure about Alistair being the father, but him being king and the ritual will probably be canon. Especially considering some of the foreshadowing earlier in the game you see regardless of gender/class/origin.

[IPerrin]

Axterix wrote...

I expect the following:
1. Morrigan did the ritual and had god child.
2. Alistair became king.
3. Alistair is the child's father.

This combination sets up a very King Arthur situation, as God child is now a candidate for the throne.

Which means that the PC, whether male or female, struck the final blow and sacrificed himself or herself. This simplifies things, as there is no reason to talk about the hero other than what the hero did as a Warden. He deposed Loghain, put Alistair on the throne, and died stopping the Blight. Nicely wrapped package.

Oh, and as to Dalish vs Werewolves, it doesn't matter really, though I imagine it'll be that the curse was lifted.  If not, well, that is only 1 clan of Dalish.  There's other clans not just in Felderen (like the one player Dalish come from), but also outside of it.

  but its not a god child if alistair is the child's father and the pc struck the final blow?

[Axterix]

IPerrin wrote...

but its not a god child if alistair is the child's father and the pc struck the final blow?

Doh, true that.

Well, the PC will have ridden off into the sunset or been lost in the Darkroads shortly thereafter then.

[cerberus779]

Well one thing I remember people saying is that Mass Effect 2 will take things you did in Mass Effect 1 into account. The specific thing they mentioned was about the little Fanboy guy that chased you around for an autograph.



So I kinda hope that Bioware does something like that with Dragon Age. Although I'm not sure how much of that you can do without making a completely new game.



I agree that Morrigan will be carrying the child, that's just too good a story to pass up IMO. Allistair becoming king is too, the other option that I know of is he becomes a drunk in a bar which just makes it sad sad sad. And like Axterix said it could be made so Allistair was the father, with Morrigans knowledge of poisons and magic she could have easily drugged him and "had her way with him" to get what she needed.

[Walina]

I like the ideas of the author of this thread.

[Herr Uhl]

Nothing should even be in the sequel. Except the mention of a crapload of darlspawn in Ferelden, or the occasional mention of a blight.

[Malificis]

Agreed with author but i have a feeling the anvil will remain in existence with Branca using it to build a defense force of golems, permanently holding back the darkspawn, the dwarves being ruled by King Harrowmont (more interesting for a future game to have a new House on the throne).

[Malificis]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Nothing should even be in the sequel. Except the mention of a crapload of darlspawn in Ferelden, or the occasional mention of a blight.

indeed would be interesting to remove things completely in setting but have pervasive elements (morrigan show up at some point as important in the story with her god-child). setting: tevinter?

[Herr Uhl]

Malificis wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Nothing should even be in the sequel. Except the mention of a crapload of darlspawn in Ferelden, or the occasional mention of a blight.

indeed would be interesting to remove things completely in setting but have pervasive elements (morrigan show up at some point as important in the story with her god-child). setting: tevinter?

Having them in the game should be more of an easter-egg than a major plot device to me.

But meeting a female dwarf afraid of being squished would rock if in Tevinter. (even got a stone reference in there)

[GoldenusG]

I shall gaze into my crystal ball.. The mists are clearing... Yes, yesssss... They are clearing... I see all!



There is no 'canon' start. Should you not import a game from DA:O, you will get a KotOR2-esque interrogation, that sets up the main points of what happened.



Should you import a game, its based entirely on what happened to you.

[Raxtoren]

Just as some has said, nothing will be "canon" it will probably be just as in KOTOR/ME2.

They wiill check your HDD or perhaps ask you some questions on how you wanted it to be (for those who lack a save).



And remember, for ex in KOTOR2 you only saw bastilla or cart... (something, forgot his name) in a cutscene. if they both survived in the first game, now ME2 is out in 2 months, then we will know how the savedata will work and not.

[Mesecina]

I'm not even willing to consider not continuing with my PC... Oh yes I can be unreasonable

[Ravauviel]

No Canon! Otherwise you're not only compromising the point of a role playing game but also devaluing the the innate character driven experience of each player.

[Recidiva]

I'm assuming the Qun are going to invade.

I'd be most interested in playing Morrigan's daughter or descendant. 

Blights have hundreds of years of intervening history, so I don't see how I could play myself.  I'd want a new cast but references to the old.  Temples to Morrigan.  Bars dedicated to Alistair.  ****houses dedicated to Oghren.

Modifié par Recidiva, 29 novembre 2009 - 03:03 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

First I hope that there's no "canon" at all, but rather that we'll be able to continue at (almost) whatever course was set earlier. But moreso, I hope to god they don't settle for the tacked-on "godchild" plot. Unless your character is either "evil" or completely moronic, it just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

What I'd personally want however, is;
Harrowmont over Bhelen, Anvil preserved, Sided with Elves but Zathrian killed, Circle saved but arrested for templar interrogation, Redcliffe demon defeated without sacrificing Isolde, Hardened Alistair, Not-Hardened Leliana, Anora & Alistair as King & Queen, Loghain spared and redeemed through sacrifice, Morrigan's nonsensical offer refused, helped establish a rogue Circle in Orzammar, Flemeth lives.

That being said, the best thing to do from an objective standpoint would probably be to completely detach us from the events of the previous game. Fast forward 10-20 years, in another nation (Orlais, anyone?) as a completely new character. I'd really hate being reset.

Edit: Added "Flemeth lives".

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 29 novembre 2009 - 05:08 .

[ComTrav]

It's impossible to tell. Is the demonbaby in DAO2 or Expansion Pack/DLC material?



I suspect they will have a dramatic relocation of time or place and your PC and existing companions won't factor much at all. Old characters might show up in cameos, if you have a save you might find out that the Grey Warden who saved Ferelden was a female elf or male dwarf or whatever.



Here's three reasons why:

-It's vastly easier and simpler from a development standpoint.

-They spare old fans getting upset as to why character X makes it but Y doesn't. Go read the ME2 boards for a good example of this.

-New Origins! I think DAO2 will expand and refine the Origins concept. Why is everyone talking about "Dragon Age Origins 2" like it will not have Origins? Do you think they're going to just give new players a generic starter character? Having to integrate everything from Origins is a massive task, and I suspect they'll have learned from DAO1 and want to do more with them. Doing all of that on TOP of integrating the origins and all the choices from the old playthrough would be a monumental technical accomplishment. (It'd also be a mess in storytelling--if you're starting a new character, is he somehow now a veteran grey warden?)



It's easiest to punt it all over to Orlais (or somewhere), or go down the road a century (who knows how long an old god baby takes to mature?)

[Raxtoren]

DAO2 might not even take place in Ferelden,so many of the choices might not even be seen/heard off.

[syllogi]

IPerrin wrote...

but its not a god child if alistair is the child's father and the pc struck the final blow?

Actually, the way Morrigan explains the ritual, she just needs a new Grey Warden to father the child, and then no matter who strikes the final blow, the Old God's soul will be drawn into the child instead of the Grey Warden who killed it or the nearest darkspawn.  So that could work.

Personally, I would like to see a canon ending, but it wouldn't bother me if it wasn't one I would personally choose for my game.  I wouldn't expect it to be canon for Alistair to marry a Grey Warden, for instance.  What would make sense would probably be Anora and Alistair marrying in order to prevent further civil war, Morrigan's ritual taking place, and Loghain dying either in the final battle or at the duel.  

Even if the game takes place in another part of the world, it would be nice to know what happened in Ferelden after the events of this game.  I have gotten quite fond of the Theirin men, apparently. 

[The Angry One]

I agree with no canon. But I've resigned myself to the high proability that they're going to ram Morrigan's devil-child down our throats whether we like it or not.

[Suron]

IPerrin wrote...

Axterix wrote...

I expect the following:
1. Morrigan did the ritual and had god child.
2. Alistair became king.
3. Alistair is the child's father.

This combination sets up a very King Arthur situation, as God child is now a candidate for the throne.

Which means that the PC, whether male or female, struck the final blow and sacrificed himself or herself. This simplifies things, as there is no reason to talk about the hero other than what the hero did as a Warden. He deposed Loghain, put Alistair on the throne, and died stopping the Blight. Nicely wrapped package.

Oh, and as to Dalish vs Werewolves, it doesn't matter really, though I imagine it'll be that the curse was lifted.  If not, well, that is only 1 clan of Dalish.  There's other clans not just in Felderen (like the one player Dalish come from), but also outside of it.

  but its not a god child if alistair is the child's father and the pc struck the final blow?

yes it is...with the ritual it DOESN'T MATTER who strikes the final blow...the essence still goes into the child...even if it's an oversite that the child may not have been the closest "being."

I've done this exact ending...Alistair did the ritual...my mage made the killing blow...NEITHER DIED.

if the ritual is done it doesn't 'matter who delivers the final blow...both wardens survive..and the child is now a god

[Varenus Luckmann]

TeenZombie wrote...
Actually, the way Morrigan explains the ritual, she just needs a new Grey Warden to father the child, and then no matter who strikes the final blow, the Old God's soul will be drawn into the child instead of the Grey Warden who killed it or the nearest darkspawn.  So that could work.

And as we all know, Morrigan is a completely dependable source of information. She always tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Not at all a two-faced, lying, conneving grade-A ****.

TeenZombie wrote...
[...]  What would make sense would probably be Anora and Alistair marrying in order to prevent further civil war, Morrigan's ritual taking place, and Loghain dying either in the final battle or at the duel.
[...]

What are you talking about? How does that make any sense whatsoever? You'd have to be roleplaying as Sandal to agree to a nonsensical bargain like that. Even if she is telling the truth, which we have no objective way of knowing, you're still agreeing to sire a being (or facilitate such a siring) that is more or less universally considered evil by the society in which your character resides.

You'd have to be knowingly evil at the level of Emperor Ming or at the mental level of Sandal to agree.

[The Angry One]

Suron wrote...

yes it is...with the ritual it DOESN'T MATTER who strikes the final blow...the essence still goes into the child...even if it's an oversite that the child may not have been the closest "being."

I don't think it's a case of who's closest as the soul now has a new option other than "go into warden" (die) or "go into a darkspawn" (still trapped with the taint). A vessel that leads neither to death or having to be an archdemon again would be preferable, if it could sense that. And Morrigan probably makes damn sure it can.

I've done this exact ending...Alistair did the ritual...my mage made the killing blow...NEITHER DIED.

if the ritual is done it doesn't 'matter who delivers the final blow...both wardens survive..and the child is now a god

Or glorified dragonspawn at least.