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it might take hundreds of years until the next Blight takes place, thus most of the cast of origins would be dead by then, except maybe Morrigan
No.
What should be canon for the sequel?
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 05:18
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#52
Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 05:18
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Morif wrote...
Aside from the matter of canon... the question is WHEN the sequel takes place. There are likely two Blights remaining, which would make the ideal plot for the next two sequels, thus forming a trilogy. And I somehow doubt they would bring two blights in the same game. We also just defeated an Archdemon, it might take hundreds of years until the next Blight takes place, thus most of the cast of origins would be dead by then, except maybe Morrigan and the god child.
I think that it will be simultaneous. And I don't get why people love trilogies so much. Trilogies are good if they are meant to be that from the beginning, dragon age was not.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 05:19
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IPerrin wrote...
Axterix wrote...
I expect the following:
1. Morrigan did the ritual and had god child.
2. Alistair became king.
3. Alistair is the child's father.
This combination sets up a very King Arthur situation, as God child is now a candidate for the throne.
Which means that the PC, whether male or female, struck the final blow and sacrificed himself or herself. This simplifies things, as there is no reason to talk about the hero other than what the hero did as a Warden. He deposed Loghain, put Alistair on the throne, and died stopping the Blight. Nicely wrapped package.
Oh, and as to Dalish vs Werewolves, it doesn't matter really, though I imagine it'll be that the curse was lifted. If not, well, that is only 1 clan of Dalish. There's other clans not just in Felderen (like the one player Dalish come from), but also outside of it.
but its not a god child if alistair is the child's father and the pc struck the final blow?
It is still! The ritual is not the sex itself, the rituals is about making sure that the soul of the archdemon go to the baby as the baby doesn't have a soul yet and is still in fertilization stage so he won't be of much immediate threat. So whoever the father is as long as Morrigan is in the party with a tainted child the ritual will work.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 05:20
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I have a strange feeling that Dragon Age 2 will be just like what Baldur's gate 2 was to The original, by that i mean it doesn't take into account what your specific character has done but instead goes with the "most popular" path, in this case beady eyed **** and her godchild.
Dammit!
Dammit!
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 05:28
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If the sequel is "Dragon Age 2" then it will have to be within seventy years of the first game. I wouldn't be surprised if we had many Blights in quick succession, either.
It would make the age's name all the more prophetic, after all.
Heh. I'm curious. If the Old Godchild *is* born, I wonder if -- bearing the soul of an Old God as it does -- it's the case that it could survive (and indeed, grow stronger) through absorbing the essences of the *other* archdemons, too.
Sure, it had to be a foetus the first time around to survive and "be changed"... but it's an interesting thought.
It would make the age's name all the more prophetic, after all.
Heh. I'm curious. If the Old Godchild *is* born, I wonder if -- bearing the soul of an Old God as it does -- it's the case that it could survive (and indeed, grow stronger) through absorbing the essences of the *other* archdemons, too.
Sure, it had to be a foetus the first time around to survive and "be changed"... but it's an interesting thought.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 05:36
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Elanareon wrote...
It is still! The ritual is not the sex itself, the rituals is about making sure that the soul of the archdemon go to the baby as the baby doesn't have a soul yet and is still in fertilization stage so he won't be of much immediate threat. So whoever the father is as long as Morrigan is in the party with a tainted child the ritual will work.
He's referring to my goof of having both the god child and the sacrificial death blow. Death happens to the killing Warden because the archdemon's soul goes to him. But, with the ritual, it goes to the unborn baby of Morrigan's. So both things cannot happen.
Though the PC warden could be mortally wounded while fighting the Archdemon, thereby giving us the baby and a dead Warden
#57
Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 05:45
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I personally believe that the second game will have us playing as Morrigans God child with the majority of the action being a crusade of the Old Gods versus the Chantry. At least, thats what I'm hoping
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 06:29
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Skellimancer wrote...
I have a strange feeling that Dragon Age 2 will be just like what Baldur's gate 2 was to The original, by that i mean it doesn't take into account what your specific character has done but instead goes with the "most popular" path, in this case beady eyed **** and her godchild.
I definitely favor the self-sacrifice and Morrigan runs off disappointed. I thought it was Flemeth and her plan all along to get that child, so it was my extra pleasure to deny that.
I also think the self-sacrifice offers the best closure, it's really how the game felt for me. My character tried to right all the wrongs in Ferelden, and then, eventually, he'd sacrifice himself for the good of everyone.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 06:33
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From my thread that got ignored lol
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First just want to state I love this game, and while I'm very pleased with the story in whole, at the end all I can think of is the ending was very open ended. I know the ending depends on your character's backstory and actions in the game, but I don't think it'd be impossible for a Sequel to tag onto your former character in some fashion.
This is just for fun no need to get ultra serious or bash anyones ideas so post your own Sequel concepts, below is mine.
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Okay first thing first to do a sequel that still in some fashion draws attention to the lead character from Dragon Age Origins they would need atleast a few variations. It could be done though, just like the back stories for Origins there could be different options for back stories.
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-Lead male Character & Morrigans child (you'd get to chose there sex M or F, And Race)
-Alistairs and Morrigans child (Able to chose Sex but must be Human)
-Lead Female & Alistairs child (fully customizable)
-Lead Male characters & Leliana's child
-New Character with no attachments to the previous story, or atleast none major, although there events or backstory could be forged from something or someone from the first tale. This character could branch off into some different sub plot backstories depending on Race. Pehaps this choice could be Leliana's child not bore from a Lead Character. (fully customizable)
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Set up
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Now to make this really customizable and allow a continuation of the first game you'd need atleast that many backstories, i"ll go into depth with the one i'd most like to play below, but allowing this much sideplot wouldn't necessarily have to alter the core plot greatly. Just as Origins backstories all meet in a similar crossroad.
Anyway this is how I'd picture the overall plot and backstory for backstory number one where in you portray the child of the lead male character and Morrigan. For story reason's I'll go with a Male character, a female character would only differ slightly. At anyrate being there child would mean you are or have the Archdemons soul inside you. Your tale would start on your 21st birthday, you have lived in the northern wilds with your seemingly emotionless mother Morrigan.
You grow tired of the wilds and wish to see the world, you have grown up nothing like your mother, while she is distant and practical in mindset you have gained a freewill and carelessness from your mortal father. She told you nothing of him other than he died five years ago, she could sense it from the ring he still bore connecting the two. You know nothing of your father, or your mother for that fact nor do you have a calling in life.
It tis your birthday however and as promised years ago your mother will let you seek out the world, it seems your time has come. As a gift she gives you your fathers weapon, the very weapon he used to slay the arch demon. The demons blood still stains the blade, she tells you this is the key to your life and wishes you to find the truth of your life. Your over joyed you will finally be set free, though it is short lived as your mother smiles for the first time you can remember a arrow catches her in the back. She falls to her knees and your become enaged and confront the attackers. Several Gray Warden attack you. After defeating them you return to your mother who has vanished. Confused you look for her, more Wardens show up and set fire to your home. After defeating them some run and you chase after them. After a straight forward map and dealing with several wardens you come to the climax of this chapter.
There you face off against the current general of the wardens, he simply remarks that the abomination must die. After the fight your ambushed and shot with many arrows, as you fall from a cliff top and everything goes black. As you awake you find yourself somewhere in the old deep roads, startled at first you see many Dark Spawn awaiting you to awake. Once you stand they all kneel and bow, they have been awaiting you for quite awhile.
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Overall Plot
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Okay theres the set up, the overall plot would be this, you are Heir to the Dark Spawn hordes, they will follow you without question, so from the beginning you have the aid you can call for in certian times. Assumed dead you quickly learn the secret of your father has been revealed that he bore a son with the soul of the forgotten god. Comming to terms to this aswell as learning your father was leader of the Gray Wardens as well as a hero to the land, you have a choice to make. While clearly you seek revenge on the man who seemingly killed your mother and attempted to kill you, do you damn the Wardens as a whole of seek to take control of them?
Will you become bitter and heartless changing into a Tyrant king?
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Keep the faith your father placed in you and follow in his steps?
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Do as your mother wished and ascend to a higher being, nearly a god comanding good and evil?
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Or do as your grandmother wishes and become a evil force that will clutch the world in it's grasps?
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The choice would be yours, and along the way you would meet friends and foes in a epic journey to determine not just your fate but the worlds.
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First just want to state I love this game, and while I'm very pleased with the story in whole, at the end all I can think of is the ending was very open ended. I know the ending depends on your character's backstory and actions in the game, but I don't think it'd be impossible for a Sequel to tag onto your former character in some fashion.
This is just for fun no need to get ultra serious or bash anyones ideas so post your own Sequel concepts, below is mine.
---------------------------------------------
Okay first thing first to do a sequel that still in some fashion draws attention to the lead character from Dragon Age Origins they would need atleast a few variations. It could be done though, just like the back stories for Origins there could be different options for back stories.
=========
-Lead male Character & Morrigans child (you'd get to chose there sex M or F, And Race)
-Alistairs and Morrigans child (Able to chose Sex but must be Human)
-Lead Female & Alistairs child (fully customizable)
-Lead Male characters & Leliana's child
-New Character with no attachments to the previous story, or atleast none major, although there events or backstory could be forged from something or someone from the first tale. This character could branch off into some different sub plot backstories depending on Race. Pehaps this choice could be Leliana's child not bore from a Lead Character. (fully customizable)
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Set up
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Now to make this really customizable and allow a continuation of the first game you'd need atleast that many backstories, i"ll go into depth with the one i'd most like to play below, but allowing this much sideplot wouldn't necessarily have to alter the core plot greatly. Just as Origins backstories all meet in a similar crossroad.
Anyway this is how I'd picture the overall plot and backstory for backstory number one where in you portray the child of the lead male character and Morrigan. For story reason's I'll go with a Male character, a female character would only differ slightly. At anyrate being there child would mean you are or have the Archdemons soul inside you. Your tale would start on your 21st birthday, you have lived in the northern wilds with your seemingly emotionless mother Morrigan.
You grow tired of the wilds and wish to see the world, you have grown up nothing like your mother, while she is distant and practical in mindset you have gained a freewill and carelessness from your mortal father. She told you nothing of him other than he died five years ago, she could sense it from the ring he still bore connecting the two. You know nothing of your father, or your mother for that fact nor do you have a calling in life.
It tis your birthday however and as promised years ago your mother will let you seek out the world, it seems your time has come. As a gift she gives you your fathers weapon, the very weapon he used to slay the arch demon. The demons blood still stains the blade, she tells you this is the key to your life and wishes you to find the truth of your life. Your over joyed you will finally be set free, though it is short lived as your mother smiles for the first time you can remember a arrow catches her in the back. She falls to her knees and your become enaged and confront the attackers. Several Gray Warden attack you. After defeating them you return to your mother who has vanished. Confused you look for her, more Wardens show up and set fire to your home. After defeating them some run and you chase after them. After a straight forward map and dealing with several wardens you come to the climax of this chapter.
There you face off against the current general of the wardens, he simply remarks that the abomination must die. After the fight your ambushed and shot with many arrows, as you fall from a cliff top and everything goes black. As you awake you find yourself somewhere in the old deep roads, startled at first you see many Dark Spawn awaiting you to awake. Once you stand they all kneel and bow, they have been awaiting you for quite awhile.
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Overall Plot
===========
Okay theres the set up, the overall plot would be this, you are Heir to the Dark Spawn hordes, they will follow you without question, so from the beginning you have the aid you can call for in certian times. Assumed dead you quickly learn the secret of your father has been revealed that he bore a son with the soul of the forgotten god. Comming to terms to this aswell as learning your father was leader of the Gray Wardens as well as a hero to the land, you have a choice to make. While clearly you seek revenge on the man who seemingly killed your mother and attempted to kill you, do you damn the Wardens as a whole of seek to take control of them?
Will you become bitter and heartless changing into a Tyrant king?
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Keep the faith your father placed in you and follow in his steps?
-
Do as your mother wished and ascend to a higher being, nearly a god comanding good and evil?
-
Or do as your grandmother wishes and become a evil force that will clutch the world in it's grasps?
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The choice would be yours, and along the way you would meet friends and foes in a epic journey to determine not just your fate but the worlds.
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#60
Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 06:43
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I doubt they will continue this story in a sequel.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 07:03
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I agree that following the route of KotOR1->2 isn't a good idea, given how it makes all our decisions in the first game meaningless from a story point of view (no matter who became king or queen, the outcome would be the same). Given how KotOR 2 wasn't made by Bioware anyway, I doubt that's going to happen.
I also think that following the model set by Mass Effect 1 -> Mass Effect 2 would not really work. There are way too many big decisions to hinge the development of the game on accepting everything, with Morrigan's child being the main example.
I'm really expecting the Old God to be an important part of the new game, even if it's about the next Blight.
I also think that following the model set by Mass Effect 1 -> Mass Effect 2 would not really work. There are way too many big decisions to hinge the development of the game on accepting everything, with Morrigan's child being the main example.
I'm really expecting the Old God to be an important part of the new game, even if it's about the next Blight.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 07:34
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Pennoyer wrote...
I doubt they will continue this story in a sequel.
This.
It's pretty much impossible to make a direct sequel to a full fantasy epic. How can you really go up from saving the world from certain doom? Aside from just forcing new players to level up 25 times if they come in late to the party, you'd have to come up with come contrived amnesia/lengthy time away from adventuring plot contrivance to explain why the PC is suddenly fighting off giant rats in the kitchen again... Not to mention it would be pretty hard to write out the PC dying.
In fact, if Bioware does try to write out the PC dying for the sequel, I will personally travel to their HQ and give each and every one of them a stern talking to about proper, fulfilling storytelling.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 07:35
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Desertpunk23 wrote...
From my thread that got ignored lol
Hey, I posted there, ingrate!
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 07:37
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Nightfish103 wrote...
On a sidenote, if they took my ending and made it canon, I'd either have to play as an undead grey warden or spend the entire game dead in my grave. That would be something to see. 100 hours of waiting and bam! credits roll. "While you were busy being dead, someone else picked up the torch and shoved it up the new archdemon's ...."
Ahhh, but Grey Wardens who defeat an arch-beastie, don't in fact die. Your spirit is taken into the fade, into the Black City. You wake up later in a new body, in the middle of nowhere, with (Or as a twist, without) amnesia. Or at least, thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Also, I doubt we'll have a blight to deal with. Been there, done that (poorly). Not to say we can't still have an arch-critter, could be we find one as its getting its morning wake-up call.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 07:37
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My vote is for Dragon Age 2: The Tale of Duncan's Beard
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 08:14
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You know, I was thinking about this today. After reading the codex I had a "duh" moment... Do you guys think that Avernicus's research at Warden's Peak could yield a cure for the whole 30 years then death Grey Warden thingie?
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 08:16
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totertot wrote...
You know, I was thinking about this today. After reading the codex I had a "duh" moment... Do you guys think that Avernicus's research at Warden's Peak could yield a cure for the whole 30 years then death Grey Warden thingie?
For all we know he already has, but Dippy Dryden went and sealed the doors with concrete or something so we'll never know.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 08:18
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totertot wrote...
You know, I was thinking about this today. After reading the codex I had a "duh" moment... Do you guys think that Avernicus's research at Warden's Peak could yield a cure for the whole 30 years then death Grey Warden thingie?
I hope not. I killed him and took the robe off his still warm corpse
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Sylph_14 wrote...
TeenZombie wrote...
Anyway, the Old God Archdemon of this Blight was the Dragon of Beauty! A Dragon of Beauty can't possibly be THAT bad, right???
Sure it can >_> It's always the pretty ones you have to watch out for
Truer words have never been spoken =p.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 08:59
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KOTOR 2 wasn't a Bioware game, remember.
With that said, a direct sequel seems like a masochistic choice for the developers compared to a significant change of setting. Some pros and cons:
Pros:
1. Franchise value. If you refer to the PR they did have a certain "Morrigan represents Dragon Age" thing. In combination with the casting of an actress from several successful SF&F franchises, that might not be something they want to abandon. Getting a super "brand" in gaming seems to be a big deal these days: the last two Infinity Watch CoD games have almost developed into a Jerry Bruckheimer action franchise, and the consumer frenzy is great news for the creators. Mass Effect is probably going to be pretty huge too after the great reception of the first one.
2 . Its what fans want. Big changes in setting and time are almost always somewhat unwelcome; personally, I couldn't even play KOTOR2 or consider it canon, knowing the basics about the plot.
Cons:
1. They have a hobson's choice about backstory. Having one "canonical plot" would tick people off and seem to negate a lot of the quintessentially Bioware ideal of player-influenced fantasy universes. The first game has you as a world-shaping kingmaker and then it all counts for nothing? But the only alternative is variable plotline based on, what, at least 20-30 switches based on DA1 - just to cover the pretty important stuff? It's hard enough keeping the branching plotline coherent when you have one game's worth of PC choices to reconcile; doing so with DA1 and DA2's choices combined would just involve a prohibitive amount of adaptable writing and voice acting.
The further removed in space and time the sequal is from DA1, the less detailed they have to be about what happened in the first game. Who wound up on which thrones; who killed the archdemon; is their a godbaby, these are manageable variables.
2. Voice actors; as much as they were an asset to DA1, the acting industry doesn't revolve around video game projects. It's true that some of the bigger names like Kate Mulgrew and Tim Curry wouldn't need to reappear, but one would assume Claudia Black would. What about, for example, Steve Valentine, who plays Alistair? Will they hire him to do 3 sets of voice acting, one as King of Fereldan, one as a Grey Warden, and one as a ghost? The more direct and adaptable a sequel they made, the more complex the voice acting logistics become.
Anyhow: I'm sure BW have a plan, and I suspect it'll be a good one. One clue we'll eventually get will be if casting decisions and the actual voice acting is leaked or announced somehow. There are obvious reasons for BW to want Claudia Black involved in DA2 somehow.
With that said, a direct sequel seems like a masochistic choice for the developers compared to a significant change of setting. Some pros and cons:
Pros:
1. Franchise value. If you refer to the PR they did have a certain "Morrigan represents Dragon Age" thing. In combination with the casting of an actress from several successful SF&F franchises, that might not be something they want to abandon. Getting a super "brand" in gaming seems to be a big deal these days: the last two Infinity Watch CoD games have almost developed into a Jerry Bruckheimer action franchise, and the consumer frenzy is great news for the creators. Mass Effect is probably going to be pretty huge too after the great reception of the first one.
2 . Its what fans want. Big changes in setting and time are almost always somewhat unwelcome; personally, I couldn't even play KOTOR2 or consider it canon, knowing the basics about the plot.
Cons:
1. They have a hobson's choice about backstory. Having one "canonical plot" would tick people off and seem to negate a lot of the quintessentially Bioware ideal of player-influenced fantasy universes. The first game has you as a world-shaping kingmaker and then it all counts for nothing? But the only alternative is variable plotline based on, what, at least 20-30 switches based on DA1 - just to cover the pretty important stuff? It's hard enough keeping the branching plotline coherent when you have one game's worth of PC choices to reconcile; doing so with DA1 and DA2's choices combined would just involve a prohibitive amount of adaptable writing and voice acting.
The further removed in space and time the sequal is from DA1, the less detailed they have to be about what happened in the first game. Who wound up on which thrones; who killed the archdemon; is their a godbaby, these are manageable variables.
2. Voice actors; as much as they were an asset to DA1, the acting industry doesn't revolve around video game projects. It's true that some of the bigger names like Kate Mulgrew and Tim Curry wouldn't need to reappear, but one would assume Claudia Black would. What about, for example, Steve Valentine, who plays Alistair? Will they hire him to do 3 sets of voice acting, one as King of Fereldan, one as a Grey Warden, and one as a ghost? The more direct and adaptable a sequel they made, the more complex the voice acting logistics become.
Anyhow: I'm sure BW have a plan, and I suspect it'll be a good one. One clue we'll eventually get will be if casting decisions and the actual voice acting is leaked or announced somehow. There are obvious reasons for BW to want Claudia Black involved in DA2 somehow.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 09:54
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There will be no sequel based on any of our characters. The way they ended the game it is clear they intend to start the next game with a new set of characters. Depending on how many years have passed between this game and the next we may see some of our older characters as cameos but we will not have them in our party.
In the epilouge many of the characters die, leave, or disapear. They closed everything up in the epilogue.
In the epilouge many of the characters die, leave, or disapear. They closed everything up in the epilogue.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 10:03
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I'd say nothing should be canon but each player's epilogue-save, but...
My Dark Promises ending with the PC, Zevran, and Dog setting out to follow after Morrigan was VERY satisfying. I'm finding it incredibly difficult to start up another character, because I believe I've already found my "canon" ending.
My Dark Promises ending with the PC, Zevran, and Dog setting out to follow after Morrigan was VERY satisfying. I'm finding it incredibly difficult to start up another character, because I believe I've already found my "canon" ending.
#73
Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 10:06
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Make AI more of a challenge is the main one also offer more ending for other characters hence if they in romance with you die/leave what happens to them and also make all of them have some sort of hardening which effects their attitude towards you and others.
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Posté 29 novembre 2009 - 10:08
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My character died to save the world, as I hate the fact that he died I too have found my canon ending. There is just no way they can make a sequel based off of our characters the way they closed everything up and ended the game.
I would definetely be down for some cameos though.
I would definetely be down for some cameos though.
