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[Lambchopz]

That is a diagram of an example of how the endings should have been.

[Kilshrek]

Can I just pick both? They at once don't make sense and are not happy.

And the killer is the lack of options for a happy ending.

Options, options, one cannot play a game that makes such a great deal about choice, if there are to be no options.

[Robhuzz]

Malevolence65 wrote...

Why are some people so against the OPTION of having a happy ending? Some people like happy endings. Maybe you don't, but you don't need to ruin their fun.

Same reason people were against the OPTION of having s/s romances in ME3. I agree with you btw, don't want a happy ending? Don't go for it. Do want a happy ending? Try your best to pull it off and be rewarded.

[Grasich]

Both are horrible for it. If it made sense and was tragic, a lot of people would still like it. Personally, I want the OPTION for an ending where Shepard and at least his LI (preferably also most other squadmates too) live and can actually find peace. Tragic endings are fine, but let us have a non-depressing end as well.

[Irx]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

We want a choice of endings that range from good to bad so everyone can end their game how they want to.

^ That.

[paralitos]

IMO no happy ending... it would make the events seem less important

[Grasich]

Robhuzz wrote...

Malevolence65 wrote...

Why are some people so against the OPTION of having a happy ending? Some people like happy endings. Maybe you don't, but you don't need to ruin their fun.

Same reason people were against the OPTION of having s/s romances in ME3. I agree with you btw, don't want a happy ending? Don't go for it. Do want a happy ending? Try your best to pull it off and be rewarded.

Also this. I don't see anyone saying they want a happier ending saying that there should be no tragic ends. We just want the OPTION to have a "happy" ending.

[shinobi602]

Lambchopz wrote...



That is a diagram of an example of how the endings should have been.

Exactly.

A happy ending should be an OPTION for those who earn it. There should be losses along the way, but at least ONE of the possibilities should be Shepard surviving with his/her crew and LI.

Modifié par shinobi602, 18 mars 2012 - 02:20 .

[Grasich]

paralitos wrote...

IMO no happy ending... it would make the events seem less important

To you maybe, but others, such as myself, disagree. Why not let us have the option for a happier ending? I don't see how having my Shep and LI find peace together makes anything I did less important. In fact, to me at least, it makes them more important. You can still have a tragic end and have the events be just as important to you, but let us have a happy end.

[henkez3]

Plotholes and the fact that it didn't make sense.

[TheMerchantMan]

A happy ending is preferred but not ultimately why I'm upset, plenty of games end with bittersweet endings, even ones I don't like, but the problem I have with the ending is that it is nonsensical and violates the underlying philosophical principles of the game.

[SovereignGFC]

 I always like to "earn a happy ending" but if that wasn't in the cards, I'm not as bothered.  What bugs me is this ending smacks of a rear-end pull, Deus-Ex-Machina that completely throws the series' core (player choices matter) out the window.  Then to add insult, it doesn't explain anything of what happens afterward!

[The Lightspeaker]

Kilshrek wrote...

Options, options, one cannot play a game that makes such a great deal about choice, if there are to be no options.

This so much.

I honestly don't care if you think the ending should be happy or not but the entire game makes a huge deal about your decisions mattering and always having a choice. In the end the options for a variety of different endings should be there. Personally I think one of those should be happy, but thats just a matter of opinion. What DOES matter is that none of your decisions mean anything in the context of the ending.

[Joel2211]

As good as the game with all those great moments and nice battle at the end, they could of just did more with the ending even if it was a "bad or good ending." It seems rushed and no closure especially with it being my last time with the characters, they said everything would be explained but it just left me with more questions.

[Lambchopz]

shinobi602 wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...



That is a diagram of an example of how the endings should have been.

Exactly.

A happy ending should be an OPTION for those who earn it. There should be losses along the way, but at least ONE of the possibilities should be Shepard surviving with his/her crew and LI.

Yeah. I think this is something people should be re-posting as much as they can quite frankly. It's a great example of what the ending COULD HAVE BEEN but just wasn't. This is what we all thought we were getting, but we got space magic instead.

[TheMerchantMan]

Actually a thought occurs, the true problem with Bioware's ending isn't that it's bittersweet, indeed it's not even that it doesn't make sense, it's that it is An ending. One. Singular.

We were promised much more than one ending with a few mostly meaningless variants.

[Lawliet89]

It didn't make sense and made almost none of the decisions mattered.

[Pathero]

henkez3 wrote...

Plotholes and the fact that it didn't make sense.

The complete absence of sense.  It could have been saved if there were some bits like 'your fleet is fleeing, but they cannot run' to explain WTF Joker was up to. Or How the heck the Illusive Man got on the Citadel.

As it stands though, the current endings are just a bit Farcical.  I was waiting to critiscise them until I'd seen the context (ie playing up until the end) but they don't make sense or are any better taking in context.

[Alibenbaba]

Happy ending does not mean fairytale ending. I consider the present ending already a happy ending, just because life was not extinguished and the reapers have been stopped (depending on the final choice). Even the deus ex machina is fine with me, since it is not given freely but fought for through the whole 3rd game.

But - during the course of a great three games we set up scenarios culminating in the choices about quarians/geth, rachni, and krogan. We see once great peoples - batarian, asari, humans, turians - beat to the brink of extinction.

So what about all that? This is the last game in the trilogy, I want more than a stargazer telling 'ok life didn't end' and thats it. I want to see the decisions made up to this point taken up and recapitulated.

Presently we're headed in the direction of another entry in the hall of fame of bad video game endings, To bad they shot for the wrong hall of fame there but they are rather easy to mix up.

[Taphia]

the ending that doesn't make sense is hard to swallow. i never expected a rainbows and sunshine ending but yeah i want one. does that mean i'll get it? who knows. the majority of players want something that makes sense and actually applied choices made in the game to matter in the ending more than we want rainbows and sunshine.

[golan2072]

I want an ending that takes into account my choices in all three ME games and gives me closure. I am willing to accept Shepard's death, as long as it is a heroic sacrifice (especially as I've maxed my Paragon). I am even willing to accept the Mass Relays and the Citadel being destroyed if the ending will tell how the various races survive without them (maybe settle the star-systems around Sol by FTL?

[Silasqtx]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...








there a poll where 80% of people voted they disliked the ending because it wasn't a happy ending.

Really? I personally love bad endings because they are hard to come by. 95% of holliwood movies and 99% of games are good endings. Do we need more on the list?

On the other side, I agree the ending doesn't really make much sense to me.

What's your thoughts?

I created that poll (Martyr) veeery long ago. If you carefully read the description before looking at the options you surely would've understand why this thread is useless.

IT: Both. Grimdark is clichè these times. Movies can be depicted as "Art" because the artist (director) shapes the plot as he likes. Videogames are different, especially RPG's where "our choices matter". In this case YOU are the director aka the artist. That said, I should be able to shape my story in something that I like.

[FaultenXIII]

For me, and I will try to word this to the best of my ability, the ending I was looking for was one that provided more closure. Sadly the ending for ME3 did not provide this for me. I want to know what happened to the rest of the galaxy that I have spent three games working and fighting in. Does Wrex cave to tribal politics and repeat the same tragedy his ancestors made by expanding the Krogan militarily? Can the Quarians and their synthetic creations the Geth coexist peacefully on Rannoch? What of the uneasy, but effective, truce between the Turians and Krogan? Following the Krogan note, what of the resentful Salarian leader? Will she try to 'correct' my Shepard's supposed mistake of curing the Genophage? Answers to these questions are what I would have loved to have seen at the end of ME3. In fact that is exactly the pay off I was playing for.

As for the whole happy ending or sad ending discussion. I am honestly indifferent to it. When it comes to endings I can enjoy both depending on what mood I am in. For my first play-through of ME3 I'll admit I was looking forward to a somewhat 'uplifting' ending, though I was expecting it to be somewhat bittersweet (e.g. someone important to Shepard dying, such as Anderson or Garrus). However I can understand the need, and would actually enjoy, a more somber and depressing ending. I'll admit I would like to see an ending where the Reaper's actually win and we see a time elapse of the galaxy being harvested for the next cycle.

[Nogthwai]

My Problem is not that Shepard dies (though somehow he can even surive, but I have no Idea why...) but that they deconstruct 5 Years of finely crafted Lore in the last five minutes. I don't like the ending because I don't think it fits the setting at all.