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[Caz Neerg]

RedShft wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

So I take it that this California Literary Review is taken quite serious in the arts/gaming circle?

Good read though. Agree with everything that was written.

This review is a great example of why gaming journalism is bull****. Despite the fact it's well written, it's still bull****. A game does not deserve a 2.5/5 because 10 minutes are sub-par. 

Take a deep breath, and think for a second.  This was a review from a literary publication.  It is primarily focused on judging the narrative, not on how fun the pew pew is.  And the ending really is objectively bad enough that, from a purely narrative standpoint, 2.5/5 is a fair rating.

Modifié par Caz Neerg, 18 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[cinderburster]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ninjaman001 wrote...

In dark-space there is no where to discharge your drive core.

Which is why you fly to the next solar system. You don't need to discharge constantly.

And, as the Reapers prove, you can actually make systems that don't need to dicharge as well.

Yes because cloning Reaper tech is viable right? 

It worked with Thanixes, com-byous, and EDI.

The Crucible affects the existing technology. It never claims or suggests that the technology is unusable forever.

True, but in affecting said existing technology, it could shut down the life support systems on all of those ships.  It could destroy the ecosystem that keeps the liveships productive.  It could shut down all of the FTL drives and leave the ships running on whatever power they use to explore solar systems.

If we assume these things are true, reverse-engineering Reaper tech or developing drive cores that don't need to be discharged is moot.

[Funker Shepard]

Thanks, awesome review. I'm especially fond of

A few nights ago, I finished Mass Effect 3. As the credits scrolled I again sat silent in the dark, dumbstruck by what I had beheld. Not out of the bittersweet satisfaction that comes with the conclusion to any story, but in the confusion and anger that occurs when you’ve witnessed a crime you could do nothing to stop.

as it rather reflects my feelings.

[Baronesa]

Savber100 wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

wow, in the meantime they gave Dragon Age 2 a 4/5. LoL

...

And suddenly all credibility was lost. 

Actually, you should read their review... I found it quite good.

[ArmyKnifeX]

RedShft wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

So I take it that this California Literary Review is taken quite serious in the arts/gaming circle?

Good read though. Agree with everything that was written.

This review is a great example of why gaming journalism is bull****. Despite the fact it's well written, it's still bull****. A game does not deserve a 2.5/5 because 10 minutes are sub-par. 

Just gonna go out on a limb and guess that you liked or didn't mind the ending.

The game review is entirely justified in giving it 2.5/5 stars, and perhaps should have gone even lower. The ending, the conclusion, to a finale matters a great deal. Especially since it is the last thing we get and thus colors our entire perception and memories of the preceding events.

To call the ending sub-par is to be insulting to everything else that is sub-par. The review is right in calling this the most contrasting sets of quality experiences in any medium ever. Everyone goes into a Uwe Boll movie knowing it's going to be terrible (and more than likely they're going in drunk). So when Uwe Boll releases a terrible ending, it's no surprise to anyone. Part of the reason why the disappointment is so palpable with ME3 is because the ending is a shock compared to everything else. And this is an incredibly unpleasant shock, to the point where the rest of the game - and the rest of the series, is worse for it.

For the most part, though, you're right - the game review media is bull****. This one review happens to be one of the few that is NOT bull****, because they're performing a literary-type review while including things like player interactions. Most reviewers go GREAT GAME! ENDING SUCKED BUT WHO CARES! Or some other one-liner about the ending, trying to minimize the damage for EA/BioWare.

[thrashmental]

Absolutly wonderful article.

[QwertyMusicMan]

Yeah, that sums it up nicely.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Baronesa wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

wow, in the meantime they gave Dragon Age 2 a 4/5. LoL

...

And suddenly all credibility was lost. 

Actually, you should read their review... I found it quite good.

I haven't read the review, but I can tell you from some inside knowledge about the climate at the time DA2 was being produced... they did the best job they could with incredibly limited resources compared to what was needed. Focusing the narrative down was a ploy to produce more varied content for one narrative rather than the hugely varied content that would be required for hugely varied narratives. And as far as the ending to that game is concerned... at least by the time we got to it, it wasn't utterly unexpected.

DA2 is more of a reboot than a sequel, anyhow.

[MustacheManatee]

dannii2 wrote...

Ouch. All this is painful to watch and read. I really wish they would say something at this stage. I hate to think what is going to happen at this PAX thing.

x

If they leave the endings as they are, PAX will be a blood bath. Wouldn't be surprised if they pulled out of PAX. For some reason, their PR spin seems to suggest that they think we are all just going to get bored and move on. That this will all die down. We need to show them they are wrong about this. And if they do keep their PAX pannel, I'm worried for them. It will be ugly.

[LoboFH]

Straight to the point, the end was not an "art" matter, it was about money and deadlines...so sad as it sounds.

[AlexXIV]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

The genocide is about the geth. Think before talk=win.

We've genocided Batarians, Heretic Geth in ME2, whatever species Harbinger was, and the Collectors.

Genocide is a tool in Shepard's tool box, whether you admit to it or not.

We have not done such a thing. We defeated an enemy. Not going to explain you the difference since you probably know. You are basically trolling right here Dean.

[Targy90]

LoboFH wrote...

Straight to the point, the end was not an "art" matter, it was about money and deadlines...so sad as it sounds.

According to the "Final Hours of ME3" app, it wasn't about deadlines.

Modifié par Targy90, 18 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[Fulgrim88]

AlexXIV wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

The genocide is about the geth. Think before talk=win.

We've genocided Batarians, Heretic Geth in ME2, whatever species Harbinger was, and the Collectors.

Genocide is a tool in Shepard's tool box, whether you admit to it or not.

We have not done such a thing. We defeated an enemy. Not going to explain you the difference since you probably know. You are basically trolling right here Dean.

Walking on thin ice there, philosophically.

Still, Genocide on the scale that's forced upon us by the Godchild is unprecedented

[Caz Neerg]

MustacheManatee wrote...

dannii2 wrote...

Ouch. All this is painful to watch and read. I really wish they would say something at this stage. I hate to think what is going to happen at this PAX thing.

x

If they leave the endings as they are, PAX will be a blood bath. Wouldn't be surprised if they pulled out of PAX. For some reason, their PR spin seems to suggest that they think we are all just going to get bored and move on. That this will all die down. We need to show them they are wrong about this. And if they do keep their PAX pannel, I'm worried for them. It will be ugly.

A sidenote on the whole PAX thing, for those who are going; if you don't have strong numbers at the panel, just don't do anything.  Better to have the panel be a non-event than have it be something they can use in their narrative that those opposing the ending are a vocal but tiny minority.

[Drxx]

Great review.
I support it

[ninjaman001]

RedShft wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

So I take it that this California Literary Review is taken quite serious in the arts/gaming circle?

Good read though. Agree with everything that was written.

This review is a great example of why gaming journalism is bull****. Despite the fact it's well written, it's still bull****. A game does not deserve a 2.5/5 because 10 minutes are sub-par. 

when the last 10 minutes destroy everything that was great about the series, it's a fair review.

[ArmyKnifeX]

AlexXIV wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

The genocide is about the geth. Think before talk=win.

We've genocided Batarians, Heretic Geth in ME2, whatever species Harbinger was, and the Collectors.

Genocide is a tool in Shepard's tool box, whether you admit to it or not.

We have not done such a thing. We defeated an enemy. Not going to explain you the difference since you probably know. You are basically trolling right here Dean.

Well arrival did force Shepard to commit genocide - but that's Marc Walter's writing, the same guy who gave us the ending. The collectors weren't a species considering they were under direct reaper control the entire time with no way of freeing them from indoctrination. Hell, even ME1 demonstrated that there's really no way to permanently reverse severe indoctrination.

As far as the heretic Geth in ME2, whether or not you killed 'em all is a player choice.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Caz Neerg wrote...
A sidenote on the whole PAX thing, for those who are going; if you don't have strong numbers at the panel, just don't do anything.  Better to have the panel be a non-event than have it be something they can use in their narrative that those opposing the ending are a vocal but tiny minority.

The plan is to remain civil while still asking the tough questions that we need answers to.

[PrinceLionheart]

Caz Neerg wrote...

MustacheManatee wrote...

dannii2 wrote...

Ouch. All this is painful to watch and read. I really wish they would say something at this stage. I hate to think what is going to happen at this PAX thing.

x

If they leave the endings as they are, PAX will be a blood bath. Wouldn't be surprised if they pulled out of PAX. For some reason, their PR spin seems to suggest that they think we are all just going to get bored and move on. That this will all die down. We need to show them they are wrong about this. And if they do keep their PAX pannel, I'm worried for them. It will be ugly.

A sidenote on the whole PAX thing, for those who are going; if you don't have strong numbers at the panel, just don't do anything.  Better to have the panel be a non-event than have it be something they can use in their narrative that those opposing the ending are a vocal but tiny minority.

Agreed. Especially since at conventions like these, if you're in the minority, the fans will boo you down. 

[AlexXIV]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

The genocide is about the geth. Think before talk=win.

We've genocided Batarians, Heretic Geth in ME2, whatever species Harbinger was, and the Collectors.

Genocide is a tool in Shepard's tool box, whether you admit to it or not.

We have not done such a thing. We defeated an enemy. Not going to explain you the difference since you probably know. You are basically trolling right here Dean.

Walking on thin ice there, philosophically.

Still, Genocide on the scale that's forced upon us by the Godchild is unprecedented

Fighting an enemy and killing it is no genocide. Fighting millions of enemies neither. It's not thin ice. The difference is the necessity. What we did was necessary, thus justified. Genocide is neither.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Science fiction justification in an otherwise material world is abandoned for magical deism, since quite literally, a god in a machine appears. Unification through altruism and sacrifice is thrown out for pure nihilism: each of the choices you’re forced to make results in Shepard committing some level of genocide or another, with the benefits removed from any relatable emotional touchstone to the intangible space of far flung statistics. It even manages to make The Reapers, one of the more imposing forces of antagonism in recent memory, come across as foolish pawns.

Yeah, the instant I found that there was some force behind the reapers, I disliked the idea and started to become afraid of what lied ahead. They were supposed to be powerful godlike machines. Be our innevitable destiny. The ultimate antagonists to life as we know. Some twisted vision of collective consciousness. Each a corrupted nation. Lovecraftian space gods. I could go on.

Ok, they were created by someone or some force, but they should be indepedent. Maybe they even twisted their own original purpose on the moment of their creation. The lore always teached us that they weren't to be negotiable, or their tech to be much experimented with as the indocrination problem were always something to be afraid. I don't think the energy of the Crucible on destruction should target all synthetics, if synthetics were always a problem and the Crucible were built this way, the plot should reinforce the geth and EDI as allies a greater strength of Shepard but still there would be some way to destroy the reapers and not let them flee as every organic becomes synthetic and vice versa and just "trust" they'll never come back again. The reapers shouldn't have this benefit of doubt, even if the "force" behind them just agreed to "stop" the conflict. No. No way in hell

Like Jeremy Jahns said: to that I say, bull****.

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 18 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[tenojitsu]

Niiice

[AlexXIV]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

The genocide is about the geth. Think before talk=win.

We've genocided Batarians, Heretic Geth in ME2, whatever species Harbinger was, and the Collectors.

Genocide is a tool in Shepard's tool box, whether you admit to it or not.

We have not done such a thing. We defeated an enemy. Not going to explain you the difference since you probably know. You are basically trolling right here Dean.

Well arrival did force Shepard to commit genocide - but that's Marc Walter's writing, the same guy who gave us the ending. The collectors weren't a species considering they were under direct reaper control the entire time with no way of freeing them from indoctrination. Hell, even ME1 demonstrated that there's really no way to permanently reverse severe indoctrination.

As far as the heretic Geth in ME2, whether or not you killed 'em all is a player choice.

It's not genocide. We blew the thing up to stop the Reapers comming in and do worse. The term Genocide loses it's meaning if we apply it to killing people out of self defense or because we have no choice. Genocide is a criminal act. Self defense isn't.

[Turtlicious]

AlexXIV wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

The genocide is about the geth. Think before talk=win.

We've genocided Batarians, Heretic Geth in ME2, whatever species Harbinger was, and the Collectors.

Genocide is a tool in Shepard's tool box, whether you admit to it or not.

We have not done such a thing. We defeated an enemy. Not going to explain you the difference since you probably know. You are basically trolling right here Dean.

Well arrival did force Shepard to commit genocide - but that's Marc Walter's writing, the same guy who gave us the ending. The collectors weren't a species considering they were under direct reaper control the entire time with no way of freeing them from indoctrination. Hell, even ME1 demonstrated that there's really no way to permanently reverse severe indoctrination.

As far as the heretic Geth in ME2, whether or not you killed 'em all is a player choice.

It's not genocide. We blew the thing up to stop the Reapers comming in and do worse. The term Genocide loses it's meaning if we apply it to killing people out of self defense or because we have no choice. Genocide is a criminal act. Self defense isn't.

It was a colony, not their homeworld.