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[meisjoe]

There are 2 types of gamers - a story driven gamer (like your average BioWare fan) and the "I like all the pretty colors" gamer... (who worships game mechanics, fast action shoot'emups, and high-res this or that.) After EA bought BioWare, they've been pushing them to appeal more to the 2nd type of gamer... And that's what we've seen with DA2, ME2, and ME3.

[BWGungan]

Bravery1282 wrote...

A lot of people say stop calling Mass Effect art (I don't call it art, don't see how it could be), but, yet praise a literary review of a video game.  I understand not liking the ending, but I can't rap my head around  this, is the reason for the praise because the reviewer agrees with those who don't like the ending?

In the review, there is a complaint that the other reviewers ignored the ending,  Even called them a name.  I wonder if this reviewer feels the same about themselves, being they obviously don't believe in basing their score on anything but narrative.  I guess the can hide behind the fact that they are a "literary reviewer" but, can't the others also say they base their reviews on why they play a video game?  

The game is composed of multiple art forms. The voice over work is an art, and much of the writing is.  I don't know if an amalgamation of art forms and technical skills is purely art, but I would say probably not.

[Fulgrim88]

meisjoe wrote...

There are 2 types of gamers - a story driven gamer (like your average BioWare fan) and the "I like all the pretty colors" gamer... (who worships game mechanics, fast action shoot'emups, and high-res this or that.) After EA bought BioWare, they've been pushing them to appeal more to the 2nd type of gamer... And that's what we've seen with DA2, ME2, and ME3.

To understand the reasoning behind this, you need to add something to your first sentence.
"There are 2 types of gamers - a story driven gamer (like your average BioWare fan) and the "I like all the pretty colors" gamer... (who worships game mechanics, fast action shoot'emups, and high-res this or that.)
And for some reason, there seems to be one hell of a lot more of the latter"

Mass Effect however, curiously managed to infuse even those people with a certain taste for the good ol' RPG qualities - which I assume is why we are now able to form such a united front.

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 18 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[omntt]

Unification through altruism and sacrifice is thrown out for pure nihilism

I really liked this one. Nice review.

[Sainta117]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

(snip)

This is brilliant stuff - intellectual, academic, and incisive. This is perhaps the first review I've seen that truly treats the game as art is supposed to be treated - assessed simultaneously as a string of decisions and at the same time as a coherent whole. Game journalists take note: this is how it's done!

[bmwcrazy]

Iwillbeback wrote...

Imagine it was like sex

20 minutes of action and then her parents come in and take her away leaving you only with a tissue.

20 minutes? Bro, that sounds like I've got it and then some. I only need three minutes.

[Caz Neerg]

Yeah, I find it interesting that people who try to defend it by calling it art get all up in arms when someone takes them up on the challenge and judges it according to the same standard applied to other forms of literature. If a movie ended this poorly, it would be lucky to get anything higher than three stars on a five star scale, from anybody.

[TheWerdna]

Hold the line everyone, we are gaining ground!

[Harbinger of Hope]

meisjoe wrote...

There are 2 types of gamers - a story driven gamer (like your average BioWare fan) and the "I like all the pretty colors" gamer... (who worships game mechanics, fast action shoot'emups, and high-res this or that.) After EA bought BioWare, they've been pushing them to appeal more to the 2nd type of gamer... And that's what we've seen with DA2, ME2, and ME3.

My thoughts exactly. Seems like EA wants to cash in on the CoD kiddies crowd. I wouldn't doubt it if their next ME game is a FPS with a completely throw-away plot and bright, big explosions. It used to be that a good story came first at BioWare. Now, they just couldn't care less.

[People4Peace]

dreaming_raithe wrote...

Yep, from a literary standpoint, it's absolutely atrocious. Glad to see others picking up on that. I think the disconnect with the themes of the rest of the games is really my biggest problem at this point.

Exactly! Excellent review....though I probably wouldn't give it a 2.5/5 but then again, the game has lost ALL it's replay value. <_<

And I completely agree with some of the other posts. DA2 has MORE replay value than ME3! That is sad considering all the flaws DA2 has (though ME3 certainly has various flaws other than the ending). In fact, I am working on my 4th and 5th playthroughs of DA2 right now. *sighs*

[meisjoe]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

meisjoe wrote...

There are 2 types of gamers - a story driven gamer (like your average BioWare fan) and the "I like all the pretty colors" gamer... (who worships game mechanics, fast action shoot'emups, and high-res this or that.) After EA bought BioWare, they've been pushing them to appeal more to the 2nd type of gamer... And that's what we've seen with DA2, ME2, and ME3.

To understand the reasoning behind this, you need to add something to your first sentence.
"There are 2 types of gamers - a story driven gamer (like your average BioWare fan) and the "I like all the pretty colors" gamer... (who worships game mechanics, fast action shoot'emups, and high-res this or that.)
And for some reason, there seems to be one hell of a lot more of the latter"

Mass Effect however, curiously managed to infuse even those people with a certain taste for the good ol' RPG qualities - which I assume is why we are now able to form such a united front.

I totally agree with you!

[Yttrian]

Utterly perfect summary that addresses the majority of concerns expressed by the customers and ignored by the advertisers.

[Doctor Uburian]

It was time!

[Claym0re]

gmboy902 wrote...

Almost as childish as the players giving it bad reviews, except at least they (I imagine) focused just on the story of it, whiel the players also ignored the awesome gameplay in their tearing apart of the game's score.

If you go out with a girl (assuming you are a boy) on an excellent date and right before the kiss she slaps you in the face what will you remember?

Sadly you cant give a 100% and a big fat 0 on a 10 points scale the same time. The game itself was excellent NOONE is denying it.

This is the first time I am writing this: You guys all calling us "childish" can do us a favour.

Modifié par Claym0re, 18 mars 2012 - 08:56 .

[Wowlock]

Well they wanted the ending to be ''artful''

Let them see what ''art'' experts think about the ending. Sorry to burst BW's bubble but they need these kind of articles to see they are not as '' deep '' as they think they are.

Modifié par Wowlock, 18 mars 2012 - 08:57 .

[Lancane]

Fingertrip wrote...

wow, in the meantime they gave Dragon Age 2 a 4/5. LoL

Credability died instantly, not that they had any from the start anyway.

Just a blatant hater. The game was top-notch on all fronts up until ending. But you can't put the whole empthasize on the ending, because in that case- alot of movies/games/books would have gotten the ****-taste in their reviews. Let's not make ME3 an exclusive victim.

Actually it gives them more credibility then you can imagine, the storyline for Dragon Age 2 was pretty well written, remember we are not talking gameplay or graphics, simply of the story in itself. If you close your eyes and think of the plot, the storyline and how the story unfolded, Dragon Age 2 was superior to Mass Effect 3 in many ways. Mass Effect 3's story flowed well and was cleanly written for what it is missing, and if your honest enough you'll realize that the story is not well fleshed out and lacks volume, this could be cause of what they cut out due to the script leaks and what is planned in the DLC's, but it does lack. Add on a horrendous ending which is important from a literary standpoint and that review is probably dead on. 

[KelaSaar]

Fantastic summary. I especially liked that they pointed out the betrayal of the previous themes of the series.

[The_Other_M]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Well said, California Literary Review.

Well said, indeed.

[Xivai]

I'm glad to see our cause has become this large. I think we need to decide on at least the one big critical aspect of the ending. Shepard dies or does he live? It's so critical in how they will design this new hypothetical ending. I think we need to build consensus on that.

Edit
Crap this was meant for another topic. Oh well still stands.

Modifié par Xivai, 18 mars 2012 - 09:01 .

[The_Other_M]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

meisjoe wrote...

There are 2 types of gamers - a story driven gamer (like your average BioWare fan) and the "I like all the pretty colors" gamer... (who worships game mechanics, fast action shoot'emups, and high-res this or that.) After EA bought BioWare, they've been pushing them to appeal more to the 2nd type of gamer... And that's what we've seen with DA2, ME2, and ME3.

My thoughts exactly. Seems like EA wants to cash in on the CoD kiddies crowd. I wouldn't doubt it if their next ME game is a FPS with a completely throw-away plot and bright, big explosions. It used to be that a good story came first at BioWare. Now, they just couldn't care less.

Well......let's just say I wouldn't be too surprised if they did.

http://games.ign.com.../1220932p1.html

[Kushan101]

The_Other_M wrote...


Well......let's just say I wouldn't be too surprised if they did.

http://games.ign.com.../1220932p1.html

This. Is terrifying.

Thought it was a really well written article, it perfectly captured the essence of why the "Take back" community are so riled. Score may have been a bit harsh, but I think it was still somewhat fair - I was thoroughly enjoying my ME3 experience, and was already thinking about starting ME1 as FemShep as soon as i'd finished - as, I'm sorry to say, I've not yet done a playthrough as her - but the ending to ME 3 completely destroyed my interest to go back and play the series through again. What would be the point? to go through *that* ending all over again? I'm good thanks, it broke my heart enough the first time. To render not only the game you just made pointless, but the two before it too? that deserves big point deduction.

While very grateful for the article, I find it concerning that it takes an arty review website to highlight the biggest problem with ME 3. NO OTHER game review website has mentioned it in their reviews. If nothing else: this whole debacle has highlighted that there are some serious bias/competency issues in the professional game review industry.

[thehomeworld]

Why do we care what Cali thinks again? I don't see this board lighting up with all the other places that review games for a living.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 18 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[SomeBug]

This is the definitive review.

It explains perfectly the problems, in a level headed manner with an appropriate understanding of the source material. This is clearly written from a person who has played all Mass Effect games, enjoyed and understood them, and yet also has the capability to evaluate the ending in a higher level of analysis.

This is the review that should be reposted forever. This one.

This is the boilerplate response.

[Zulmoka531]

thehomeworld wrote...

Why do we care what Cali thinks again? I don't see this board lighting up with all the other places that review games for a living.

They are an "artsy" magazine, they do a great deal of editorials on a variety of things (literature, movies, video games and so on) and are often cited in classes and such.

[Fulgrim88]

Still baffled by this: https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

Talk about 5 reasons why the ending is bad? Talk about 10?

How about some ~57 ways in which the ending kills the previously established lore, then pisses on it's grave.
Dear god. Get rid of that Star Child altogether.

It does, however, give some fuel to the Indoc Theory. Much of this seems to be almost intentionally unreal

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 18 mars 2012 - 10:43 .