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[curufinwe03]

Wow. That was a devastating rewiew.
The last 10 minutes of the game are making the war asset system completly pointless. Never heard this argument before, but it's true.

[superduperkoala]

"Mass Effect 3 is easily the worst finale I’ve seen compared to the preceding quality that came before it – in any medium. At literally every level, it’s objectively terrible."

Can't agree more. Hold the line!

[Denethar]

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

tweeted this to mac walters wonder if he responds

He is probably in full denial mode at the moment, I would be if I wrote that anyway.

[Lonsecia]

To the person who suggested that it was a bit odd that the same site gave DA 2 4/5, one could imagine that's because hoped weren't particularly high by the time the game ended to make you feel that what had gone before was let down by such a terrible ending.

We all know art is subjective, and blah di blah. Personally, I think the ending is akin to someone taping over a something significant (such as the moon landing, for example) with WWE, and then trying to argue it's perfect. Maybe slithly OTT, but considering how most of us were likely viewing ME 3 until the end, it's a fair comparison. The game is, until those last moments as close as gaming has gotten to art. And not just a game mimicing another medium, a la LA Noir, or Heavy Rain. Throughout the series, ME worked on what makes gaming unique as a potential artform: participation and the art reacting. To me, the ending undid that.

[Lichtgestaltt]

superduperkoala wrote...

"Mass Effect 3 is easily the worst finale I’ve seen compared to the preceding quality that came before it – in any medium. At literally every level, it’s objectively terrible."

Can't agree more. Hold the line!

Indeed!

[Quietness]

The review read almost like a love story. Than you reach the part where he begins to talk about the ending. Wow.... and he even takes aim at the "professional reviewers". The article was a good read.

[SaladinDheonqar]

Mr Adam Robert Thomas, you have just gained a fan. While downgrading the score just because of the ending may seem harsh, this is precisely what happens everyday in any other media. Example: Law Abiding Citizen. A briiliant movie thoroughly ruined by the poor final act. Did its overall rating suffer because of it? Hell yes, and rightly so. If Lucas had finished the Star Wars series with something like the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey, do you really think it would be rated so highly? No. Then again, this is what the writers wanted right? An ending that befits a sci-fi film. Something 'artistic & speculative'. So you can't really complain that it's being treated as any other piece of 'art'.

[Killer3000ad]

The mainstream gaming sites could learn a thing or two from the California Literary Review about journalistic integrity.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Lichtgestaltt wrote...

superduperkoala wrote...

"Mass Effect 3 is easily the worst finale I’ve seen compared to the preceding quality that came before it – in any medium. At literally every level, it’s objectively terrible."

Can't agree more. Hold the line!

Indeed!

[nomoredruggs]

tobito113 wrote...

This was clearly written by a biased hater, how i know this? Because i disagree with it.

The fact that you disagree with it only shows that this was clearly written by a person that has an opinion different to your own, not that this person was a biased hater....

[Xellith]

joe1852 wrote...

this hurts bioware a great deal

I read that in harbingers voice... it was beautiful.

[Doctoglethorpe]

First review of this game I've seen that has any real journalistic qualities. Very good read.

Read it Bioware.

[blacqout]

"Under thought" should have been hyphenated.

[Swisspease]

superduperkoala wrote...

"Mass Effect 3 is easily the worst finale I’ve seen compared to the preceding quality that came before it – in any medium. At literally every level, it’s objectively terrible."

Can't agree more. Hold the line!

Exactly how I feel. A great game freaked up by a horrible ending

[Capeo]

suntzuxi wrote...

wow, in the meantime they gave Dragon Age 2 a 4/5. LoL

From a literary standpoint DA2 didn't implode in the last ten minutes. Many people didn't like what happens but what happens at least makes sense in the context of the plot. 

[t_i_e_]

I agree with OP.

[CJMissen]

I'm really sorry, but I just need to say it again, someone's going to kill me for this but it bares repeating.

"just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist"

For all those calling this conclusion to an overall stellar production 'artful'. Its in the same vein as '****** in my ear and say it's raining' to quote the game itself I think.

For effective storytelling the target audience needs to connect effectively with the piece in itself/the direction it takes/and consistency, not necessarily requiring a dogmatically predictable story, but something that actually fits within the same themes, ideas, and the like with the express purpose of keeping the audience immersed rather than breaking that immersion, usually resulting in a rejection of the story and produces more criticisms than praises.

I think many would agree with me in saying that the ending of this series serves few other purposes than to disconnect the audience from the universe in itself, and encourages a complete and utter rejection.

Unless this is the intended effect, I would beg to call Mass Effect 3's final minutes an utter failure to effectively convey its narrative and underlying messages.

It simply does not do the quality of the series justice at any level.

attention is not always good attention
press is not always good press.

Dissatisfaction does not a cup of tea make!

Nor happy customers either, a certain level of expectation needs to be met (AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A STORIES PREDICTABILITY, this is an audience choice driven game and it should at the least, at some level reflect that, the ending does not give that effect)

Comb the threads for developer statements, and then notice the flipside change upon release trying to justify the endings seems to be close to the antithesis of what was said beforehand.

I hate doing this, I love the series.

But if you expect me to develope a care, a real concern for what goes on in this series - and then fail to act when you take what looks like a sledge hammer to it?
I'm sorry to say Bioware, Casey and Co.

You've got another thing coming.

I concure like many others, with the conclusion of this article

185th New Melbourne Marines

Holding the Line

[ratzerman]

I was just having this discussion yesterday. I cannot think of another beloved work of fiction that self destructs so spectacularly in its final moments.

[TheKillerAngel]

Maias227 wrote...

Who on earth is the Califonia Literary Review? It sounds like a high school book club.

It's a literary journal. Most literary journals are a bit obscure.

[JasonTan87]

Maias227 wrote...

Who on earth is the Califonia Literary Review? It sounds like a high school book club.

It's an established academic peer-reviewed literary journal that has more weight in the critical arts scene than every gaming review site combined.

Their articles actually get quoted in academia.

[Aver88]

Gameplay was very good, especially when I compare it to ME1&2. But I played ME series mainly for characters and story.

Characters disappointed me slightly. I preferred characters from ME2 (Jack, Zaeed, Grunt, Mordin) and they focused on characters from ME1. They are good too, especially Garrus and Tali, but there is lack of less "nice", rough characters like Zaeed, Jack or Wrex. I would prefer more variety in that matter.

Story was ok until the end. Story in whole series was based on solid facts and was logical (even tho there was some minor plot holes) and then suddenly they show us illogical, metaphysical ending without any solid facts. It's just like they mixed endings from Matrix and Deus Ex. I seriously believed that there is something more behind the story than conflict between synthetic and biological life forms. I always was think "nah, they won't make another Matrix". I guess I was wrong.

Before ending this game was for me 4/5. After ending it was 3-/5.

Modifié par Aver88, 18 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[Beldamon]

hckf2 wrote...

"Especially in the case of Mass Effect 3 since it redefines the entire experience . . . in about the same way being left at the altar by a spouse ditching you for your mom redefines a relationship."

Can we please use this picture from now on .
It made me laugh in a sad way^^

I've been heavy on analogy and metaphor in my own posts, but this one is very well constructed.
 

[Black_Diamond]

Great review, very astutely presented all of the problems involved with the ending. I'd just like to thank this person for having the integrity to review the entire game and then review it.

[Joykilledme]

QuarianHIV wrote...

All we have to do now is wait for some BW drone like Eternal5 show up and call the review crap.

HAHAHAHA!!!! I can't Stand that guy!!! lol dude I love you!. Every time I see his posts I'm like.... "wtf?..."

[Joykilledme]

CJMissen wrote...

I'm really sorry, but I just need to say it again, someone's going to kill me for this but it bares repeating.

"just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist"

For all those calling this conclusion to an overall stellar production 'artful'. Its in the same vein as '****** in my ear and say it's raining' to quote the game itself I think.

For effective storytelling the target audience needs to connect effectively with the piece in itself/the direction it takes/and consistency, not necessarily requiring a dogmatically predictable story, but something that actually fits within the same themes, ideas, and the like with the express purpose of keeping the audience immersed rather than breaking that immersion, usually resulting in a rejection of the story and produces more criticisms than praises.

I think many would agree with me in saying that the ending of this series serves few other purposes than to disconnect the audience from the universe in itself, and encourages a complete and utter rejection.

Unless this is the intended effect, I would beg to call Mass Effect 3's final minutes an utter failure to effectively convey its narrative and underlying messages.

It simply does not do the quality of the series justice at any level.

attention is not always good attention
press is not always good press.

Dissatisfaction does not a cup of tea make!

Nor happy customers either, a certain level of expectation needs to be met (AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A STORIES PREDICTABILITY, this is an audience choice driven game and it should at the least, at some level reflect that, the ending does not give that effect)

Comb the threads for developer statements, and then notice the flipside change upon release trying to justify the endings seems to be close to the antithesis of what was said beforehand.

I hate doing this, I love the series.

But if you expect me to develope a care, a real concern for what goes on in this series - and then fail to act when you take what looks like a sledge hammer to it?
I'm sorry to say Bioware, Casey and Co.

You've got another thing coming.

I concure like many others, with the conclusion of this article

185th New Melbourne Marines

Holding the Line

very well said btw