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[Shazzie]

PrincessRiku wrote...
And if you think about it, it's fair. If you side with Templars, you get screwed out of a party member, because you have to kill Wynne, the most handy healer in the game. If you spec yourself healer as Mage, then side Templars, you should be able to at least make up the difference with the extra party member. That way, you've got extra damage while you stand back and throw heals.

A Cullen mod would be great indeed, I so wanted to get more into that when I played my mage! but I just have to reply to this because...
You can indeed side with the Templars without losing Wynne. I just did it.

I went through the entire Circle questline without giving my position on either side until the very end (I kept using the 'I'll have to see how things are' option to Greagoir and Cullen). You can wait until you bring the First Enchanter down to Greagoir to actually make a decision. At that point you can tell Greagoir it would be a danger for any actual blood mages to escape or some such. The First Enchanter agrees and says he will do as he always does and cede control to the Chantry, and Greagoir calls for the Templars to go through the Tower & collect all the mages because they'll be pretty banged up and will need taking care of and healing. Cullen (I think? Or another Templar) pipe up about 'HEALING them?!' and Greagoir says yes, the mages would be healed up for the Chantry's investigation.

You even get a minor positive approval increase from Wynne once it's all said and done. I was really pleased with this outcome, as killing my way through all the mages wouldn't have set well with me, but I wanted to side with the Templars at least once.

[PrincessRiku]

That's good. I'll probably do that then, later.



I mean, I know it would be great to keep her as a healer, but I really just think that it's great to have Cullen around. I mean, if you really wanted, you could keep Alistair focused solely on fighting, while you used Cullen as Crowd Control with the Templar magic negating abilities and the warrior stun abilities, and then you'd also have a dps from another member or yourself and then either yourself or Morrigan as a healer.



I think I just really /really/ want to have him as a playable character. There wouldn't really have to be too much work. You wouldn't have to put chatting between him and the other members of your party, but you could at least record some things with your OC and him. Even if they made an ability where if you're a blood mage, you could help him become a Reaver or something and renounce his Templar ways (something I think would require a 100% approval rating) or something like that.



It just sucks to have an option like that in there without a way to chase it!

[Boeresmurf]

more cullen...

my female mage really loved him and the way he was looking at me

[Onyx Jaguar]

Its just a shame that no one from any of the origin stories makes it in as a recruitable character, that would make the party dynamic more interesting than just hanging out with a bunch of strangers :/

[Prowler]

I can understand the reasoning behind it but losing a healer and gaining a tank doesn't help the situation much. I think if the player loses Wynne they should gain Jowan or another mage that could take her place.

[asaiasai]

I have to agree that i do not need another melee class ort even anothe rogue, i would prefer another mage to replace the one that walks out on you.



Asai

[Maria Caliban]

StuartMarshall wrote...

Surely it'd be uber difficult to implement new characters now? Wouldn't they need to bring back every other companion + a number of NPCs to record responses to the new NPC? ie, on-the-road banter, input during quests, etc.

Correct.

They've said several times that they were only able to put Shale in DLC because most of the VO had already been done.

BioWare won't add another companion or origin via DLC unless it's a stand-alone expansion.

[Boeresmurf]

woul be a ****load of work aswell to create a new char. which is fully integrated in the game. with unique dialogs/comments and participating in the world.

[Insect]

Boeresmurf wrote...

woul be a ****load of work aswell to create a new char. which is fully integrated in the game. with unique dialogs/comments and participating in the world.

That's why we'd be paying for it, no? Of course, I don't know how expensive the voice actors are, so perhaps it wouldn't be possible to release more voiced companions at a reasonable price. 
There's always mods, but to be honest having just one unvoiced character around would feel awkward :3

[PrincessRiku]

Even if they could release something with him in it as a side quest or something, that'd be great. Just so much as it would be closure to the fangirls, since well, they pretty much screw you with the choices you have to say to him when he's trapped.

[Riona45]

Recidiva wrote...

What?! D:

I know!  I swear, men die an awful lot just due to gender issues in this game.  Enough to make a girl very careful who she talks to. 

Cherchez la femme.

[TastyLaksa]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Because we love Templars.

Not if you're an elven mage. I was surprised i could get along with alistair. Maybe only because he was a coward and didn't pose a threat. I.e he's not really convincing as someone who's supposed to be controlling mages.

[Riona45]

TastyLaksa wrote...


Not if you're an elven mage. I was surprised i could get along with alistair. Maybe only because he was a coward and didn't pose a threat. I.e he's not really convincing as someone who's supposed to be controlling mages.

Err, you do realize he was never a full-blown Templar, and he even tells you after having to kill someone who failed her Harrowing, he no longer wished to be one?

But I get it--you hate Alistair, and you've made that abundantly clear.

PS:  Templars and mages don't necessarily have to hate each other or not get along. 

[Nooneyouknow13]

StuartMarshall wrote...

Surely it'd be uber difficult to implement new characters now? Wouldn't they need to bring back every other companion + a number of NPCs to record responses to the new NPC? ie, on-the-road banter, input during quests, etc.

They have to do this for any module that isn't just items or a storyless dungeon anyway.

[PrincessRiku]

Obviously, not all Templar's hate mages, as Cullen /loves/ Femme!Mage. Alistair didn't take his vows, and it's not like he had wanted to join them anyways, you know?



And alright, I get people don't want Cullen as a replacement since they don't think they can use him. Fine...um...just side with Wynne or play so that you can keep her? Lol. I mean, it's not really like if they put the option there that you would have to take it. Also, DLC, it'd have to be paid for. Don't download it if you don't find it something you want.



All I'm asking for is a little fan service. I mean, I think I'd even settle for a story like what David Gaider did with "Denouement" that he wrote for all the Carth Onasi fans out there after KotOR.

[ValentineHeart82]

Ok the point is not to have a balanced team, the point is to have an RP alternative to Wynn.

[ValentineHeart82]

PrincessRiku wrote...

Obviously, not all Templar's hate mages, as Cullen /loves/ Femme!Mage. Alistair didn't take his vows, and it's not like he had wanted to join them anyways, you know?

And alright, I get people don't want Cullen as a replacement since they don't think they can use him. Fine...um...just side with Wynne or play so that you can keep her? Lol. I mean, it's not really like if they put the option there that you would have to take it. Also, DLC, it'd have to be paid for. Don't download it if you don't find it something you want.

All I'm asking for is a little fan service. I mean, I think I'd even settle for a story like what David Gaider did with "Denouement" that he wrote for all the Carth Onasi fans out there after KotOR.

THANK YOU. I mean for crying out loud, I'm not talking about forcing people to take him along if they don't want, I'm just talking about an Alternative to Wynn where otherwise you'd have nothing but a big empty space. Don't want Him or Wynn, simply tell them both to stay.

[ValentineHeart82]

asaiasai wrote...

I have to agree that i do not need another melee class ort even anothe rogue, i would prefer another mage to replace the one that walks out on you.

Asai

Ok who would you suggest as an alternative to Wynn if you Annul the tower?

[PrincessRiku]

ValentineHeart82 wrote...

PrincessRiku wrote...

Obviously, not all Templar's hate mages, as Cullen /loves/ Femme!Mage. Alistair didn't take his vows, and it's not like he had wanted to join them anyways, you know?

And alright, I get people don't want Cullen as a replacement since they don't think they can use him. Fine...um...just side with Wynne or play so that you can keep her? Lol. I mean, it's not really like if they put the option there that you would have to take it. Also, DLC, it'd have to be paid for. Don't download it if you don't find it something you want.

All I'm asking for is a little fan service. I mean, I think I'd even settle for a story like what David Gaider did with "Denouement" that he wrote for all the Carth Onasi fans out there after KotOR.

THANK YOU. I mean for crying out loud, I'm not talking about forcing people to take him along if they don't want, I'm just talking about an Alternative to Wynn where otherwise you'd have nothing but a big empty space. Don't want Him or Wynn, simply tell them both to stay.

Yeah, my husband was saying the same thing. He's like "you kinda get jipped if you take the other route, eh? You're out a party member." Cullen would be a reasonable replacement, hands down, just for the fact that even after you leave, if you come back he voices how he wishes he could have gone to fight! And annulling wouldn't leave anyone to bring within the Circle, so then you'd have to find a way to open the option of making Jowan playable or something, because beyond Apostates or people on travel outside the Circle, there'd be no other mages.

[Lughsan35]

ValentineHeart82 wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

I have to agree that i do not need another melee class ort even anothe rogue, i would prefer another mage to replace the one that walks out on you.

Asai

Ok who would you suggest as an alternative to Wynn if you Annul the tower?

Um NOBODY.  Sort of like how you can hate Zevran for trying to kill you and not have an assasin in the party...by slitting his throat...

[Felene]

I really hope there is a way to persuade Wynne to stay with the children and not going with you to kill the abominations.

I hate the fact I have to kill her if I don't want her to come alone.

[ValentineHeart82]

Lughsan35 wrote...

ValentineHeart82 wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

I have to agree that i do not need another melee class ort even anothe rogue, i would prefer another mage to replace the one that walks out on you.

Asai

Ok who would you suggest as an alternative to Wynn if you Annul the tower?

Um NOBODY.  Sort of like how you can hate Zevran for trying to kill you and not have an assasin in the party...by slitting his throat...

And there could be an alternative for Zevran but there's no in game PC to point to and say "That" so it would have to be fabricated from the ground up.

Basically your argument is that you wouldn't want another warrior so no one should have the option to choose Cullen over a big empty space. You wouldn't be forced to take Cullen but since you think there are too many tanks already it should be Wynn or Nothing. Great argument there.
 

Modifié par ValentineHeart82, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:07 .

[ValentineHeart82]

Shazzie wrote...


A Cullen mod would be great indeed

A lot of people agree. Those who don't seem to think that just because they have enough warriors no one should have the option.

Anyway yeah, you can put the mages under investigation, but to Annul them I think you have to let them all die before killing the boss. If you agree to do this Wynn dies and you get nothing. You can still do the wait and see option and let it happen, but you're punished if you agree with Cullen.

Modifié par ValentineHeart82, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:21 .

[Korva]

There are (as usual) far too few consequences of one's actions and choices in this game, especially negative consequences, so I'm happy the way things are. (Though I do wish it was possible to have Wynne stay to protect the children.) As Lughsan35 said, if you kill Zevran you don't magically get a replacement, and the same is true for skipping Sten and Leliana in Lothering. One could say Cullen is there so it makes sense in this case, but the guy struck me as a creepy jerk who isn't exactly fit for travel due to being traumatized and unstable from the events at the Tower.

[The Angry One]

TastyLaksa wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Because we love Templars.

Not if you're an elven mage. I was surprised i could get along with alistair. Maybe only because he was a coward and didn't pose a threat. I.e he's not really convincing as someone who's supposed to be controlling mages.

Because it's not like Graegor, a full blown Templar Knight-Commander doesn't regard Irving as his BFF.
Oh wate lol.

This Alistair bashing is really getting tiresome, if you're going to hate on the man come up with some valid reasons.